# Oh, lordy, this should be good: Moore visits O'Reilly tonight **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 27, 2004, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137 "2004-07-27T18:25:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/61 "2004-07-28T00:33:18Z")
Not…going…to…make…it. Ben Friggin Afleck, the Hon. Gov. Moonbeam, now Kwanza Mfume…blood pressure up…neck vein throbbing…teeth grinding…not…going to…make it! ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/62 "2004-07-28T00:34:15Z")
> [@](#): > > What about the Iraqi civilians who didn’t sign up for shit? What about 'em? That has nothing to do with whether or not Bill O’Reilly would “sacrifice” his kids. To pretend otherwise is dishonest. Now, if you want to bring it up as a separate issue, go right ahead. Just don’t expect me to put out for it… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/63 "2004-07-28T00:35:52Z")
Ben Affleck did very well. He foisted off every thing O’Reilly threw at at him. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/64 "2004-07-28T00:37:46Z")
> [@SPOOFE](#): > > Find me a single person in the United States military that was forced by George W. Bush to sign up, and I’ll give you a blowjob. I’ll even swallow. Read the rest of what I said. Enlistment involves a level of trust that the CIC won’t be a lying, irresponsible cowboy with their lives. They volunteer to defend their country not to avenge personal grudges or fatten the profits of Halliburton. Just because military enlistment is voluntary does not mean that they are volunteering to die for whatever stupid whim walks into a president’s mind. You also ignored my point about all the people who are killed who didn’t sign up for shit. Would you be willing to have your child become “collateral damage” in order to “liberate” you from your president? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/65 "2004-07-28T00:40:57Z")
> [@SPOOFE](#): > > Overexuberance? Overconfidence? Paying too much attention to the past seven or eight years of world leaders saying, “Yeah, Iraq’s got WMD’s?” > > Further, why do you focus on that point rather than the ACTUAL substance of the quote? Y’know, the “not outright deception” part? The whole “not outright deception” part that the 9/11 commission agrees with? Self-deception is still deception…not to mention fucking incompetentand scary. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/66 "2004-07-28T00:43:43Z")
> [@SPOOFE](#): > > What about 'em? That has nothing to do with whether or not Bill O’Reilly would “sacrifice” his kids. To pretend otherwise is dishonest. > > Now, if you want to bring it up as a separate issue, go right ahead. Just don’t expect me to put out for it… 😃 How is it a separate issue? He’s willing to set other people’s children on fire to “liberate” Iraq, so why isn’t it fair to ask if he’s do the same to his own kid for the same cause? ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/67 "2004-07-28T00:45:57Z")
Well, I hope this interview approaches “interesting” soon. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/68 "2004-07-28T00:46:44Z")
Ick. I’m watching this interview right now and O’Reilly is running rings around Moore. ☹ I could do a better job. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/69 "2004-07-28T00:52:39Z")
Give me a break. Those guys are buddies aren’t they? That whole thing was scripted wasn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/70 "2004-07-28T00:53:45Z")
That’s 10 minutes of my life wasted that I will never get back. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/71 "2004-07-28T00:53:46Z")
WTF? I stayed inside on a beautiful night to catch that? Was there a debate? Fuck. I’d have to begrudgingly give the winner’s sash to O’Reilly. :mad: Fuck. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/72 "2004-07-28T00:54:41Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > Ben Affleck did very well. He foisted off every thing O’Reilly threw at at him. Did you notice that Afleck **specifically** agreed with O’Reilly that people (like you) who demonize Bush are wrong? ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/73 "2004-07-28T00:57:47Z")
> [@](#): > > Read the rest of what I said. Enlistment involves a level of trust that the CIC won’t be a lying, irresponsible cowboy with their lives. … And he wasn’t, according to the 9/11 commission. > [@](#): > > You also ignored my point about all the people who are killed who didn’t sign up for shit. No it isn’t. The subject is about O’Reilly’s kids signing up for military service, not about the inevitable and unfortunate civilian casualties. > [@](#): > > Self-deception is still deception So it is your contention, then, that George W. Bush personally went out - the only agent to do so - and gathered the entire body of evidence about Iraq’s activities for the CIA, British intelligence, and Russian intelligence? Why can’t Dubya simply have been wrong? Is that so far-fetched? Is that so outside the realm of possibility? You’ll believe that he deliberately manipulated evidence and angled his policies to have a war… but you can’t accept the possibility that he was just probably wrong? > [@](#): > > How is it a separate issue? He’s willing to set other people’s children on fire to “liberate” Iraq, so why isn’t it fair to ask if he’s do the same to his own kid for the same cause? So you’re saying there’s no difference between American troops that voluntarily sign up of their own volition, and Iraqi citizens that got caught between a mad, brutal dictator and his enemy? As for what Bill O’Reilly would do: “Depends what the circumstances were.” If Bill O’Reilly was asked, “Would you support a war to depose a dictator, even if you know this war would probably kill your child?” I’ll bet you dollars to donuts that his answer would be “Yes.” Is this monstrous of him? Or just consistent? ---
**Author:** ![Ninja\_Pizza\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f04885/32.png) [@Ninja\_Pizza\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ninja_Pizza_Guy)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/74 "2004-07-28T00:58:11Z")
> [@SPOOFE](#): > > Overexuberance? Overconfidence? Paying too much attention to the past seven or eight years of world leaders saying, “Yeah, Iraq’s got WMD’s?” > > Further, why do you focus on that point rather than the ACTUAL substance of the quote? Y’know, the “not outright deception” part? The whole “not outright deception” part that the 9/11 commission agrees with? Because, like I said, “wistful thinking” & “WMD’s” together like that has a massive boggle factor. Who’s wistfully thinking of WMD’s? Besides Saddam, that is, who I’m sure is wishing he really had all the bad shit our government said he had. After all, North Korea has shown the world that if you have nukes, the US won’t attack. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/75 "2004-07-28T00:59:16Z")
> [@beagledave](#): > > Did you notice that Afleck **specifically** agreed with O’Reilly that people (like you) who demonize Bush are wrong? Show me where I have demonized Bush personally. Hence the term Bushco meaning his administration. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/76 "2004-07-28T01:01:38Z")
O’Reilly gets idiot points for asserting that Moore is a big supporter of Hussein…and he dodged the whole “would you sacrifice your kid to save Fallujah” (saying that HE would do it…when he’s way too old to be part of such an endeavor seems dodgy to me) Other than that…I wasn’t impressed with Moore’s responses to the intelligence issues (involving the CIA, MI6 and the Russian intelligence). Moore kept saying that if you say something that isn’t true, you’re telling a lie. Uh, no. There may be more persuasive arguements that Bush actually lied\*\* about WMB, but Moore sure as hell didn’t make them in response to O’Reilly’s points. Moore came across as the type of person that Afleck dislikes. I noticed that even Kwasi Mfume (sp?) went out of his way to avoid the “demonizing” talk about Bush…that must be the message of the day…perhaps Moore didn’t get it. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/77 "2004-07-28T01:02:48Z")
> [@](#): > > Because, like I said, “wistful thinking” & “WMD’s” together like that has a massive boggle factor. Who’s wistfully thinking of WMD’s? WISHful thinking, ie - someone got overeager, and jumped at the first sign - inaccurate, we now know - that there were WMD’s in Iraq. THAT is the mistake. The guy that authorized that was wrong, and Bush was wrong to rely on it so heavily. And the fact that he was wrong about the WMD’s _might_ be considered terrible… if it were the only reason he gave for going to war in Iraq. But it was only one of half a dozen. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/78 "2004-07-28T01:05:39Z")
Both of them pissed me off so much I can’t see straight. Never had that big a dose of O’Really before… Moore started out pretty much ok but veered into the bathos-phere, this whole “sacrifice your child” line was maudlin and easily met with any number of minted platitudes. All the ammo at hand, and Moore goes for the cheap stuff. Lame. Fuck 'em both. (The Fleet Center? Isn’t that a brand name enema?) ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/79 "2004-07-28T01:05:51Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > Show me where I have demonized Bush personally. > > Hence the term Bushco meaning his administration. Wow. I think I’ll let that speak for itself. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/80 "2004-07-28T01:08:29Z")
> [@beagledave](#): > > Wow. I think I’ll let that speak for itself. So I guess any criticism of his admininstration and their policies is demonizing Bush…right? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137.md?page=5)