# Oh, lordy, this should be good: Moore visits O'Reilly tonight **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 27, 2004, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137 "2004-07-27T18:25:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/101 "2004-07-28T02:05:41Z")
> [@beagledave](#): > > Why would I…I never accused you of mis-representing your position. You represent your position honestly, I don’t think **Reeder** does…(and he was the one praising Afleck’s remarks…irony) Be honest now…you really can’t read can you. Praised Affleck? Notice it has two F’s… Show me where I praised him. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/102 "2004-07-28T02:16:00Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > Be honest now…you really can’t read can you. Praised Affleck? Notice it has two F’s… > > Show me where I praised him. > [@](#): > > Ben Affleck did very well. He foisted off every thing O’Reilly threw at at him. Wow…an honest person would say…a’yup that was praise. You’re telling me…let me sit down for this…that “Ben Affleck did very well” is **NOT** praise? Wow. It’s like bizarro world. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/103 "2004-07-28T02:17:28Z")
> [@beagledave](#): > > Wow…an honest person would say…a’yup that was praise. > You’re telling me…let me sit down for this…that “Ben Affleck did very well” is **NOT** praise? > Wow. It’s like bizarro world. And you are living in it. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/104 "2004-07-28T02:21:14Z")
I’m not exactly a Moore fan, but I have to say he took O’Reilly to the Cleaners for the most part. O’Reilly had some good points, but Moore did a lot better, and O’Reilly really shouldn’t have tried that “Saddam’s Biggest defender” shit. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/105 "2004-07-28T02:22:30Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > And you are living in it. I’ll try this again… If I say to my daughter “You did very well cleaning up your room” …am I praising her? Yes If I say to my wife “You did very well getting that work project done”…am I praising her? Yes If my wife says to me “You did very well handling that emergency”…is she praising me? Yes How else would you characterize those statements, but praise? How are they different from what you said? I truly am astonished at how obtuse you are. Amazing. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/106 "2004-07-28T02:31:23Z")
Lets go through this. Ben Affleck did very well. He foisted off every thing O’Reilly threw at at him. Perhaps I meant he did well at foisting off O’Reilly? Or don’t you ever put two parts of a statement together? Is that to much for you to handle? Of course it is. Oh ye of little used mind. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/107 "2004-07-28T02:37:44Z")
> [@](#): > > It seems you’re avoiding the question. No, I’m calling it a stupid question. Why is it stupid? Well, I’m glad you didn’t ask! In order for the comparison to be valid - O’Reilly’s or Bush’s kids vs. Iraqi dudes - you need to completely ignore the fact that they are in completely different living conditions. To wit: O’Reilly’s/Bush’s kids: Not living under a dictator. Iraqi dudes: Living under a dictator. Since O’Reilly’s or Bush’s kids are not living under a dictator, there’s nowhere NEAR the amount of gain for the same level of risk, ie - sacrificing the kid’s life. In other words, a person that’s being oppressed by a fascist has a whole lot more to gain by risking his life. Or I can simply ask you this: Would you allow your children to be raped and murdered by a sick, psychotic monster and his posse? ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/108 "2004-07-28T02:42:13Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > Perhaps I meant he did well at foisting off O’Reilly? Why is that not praise? You’re saying he did a good job at something…isn’t that praising his efforts…praising his remarks? Isn’t that what I **said** you did? WHY YES IT IS!! > [@](#): > > **…he was the one praising Afleck’s remarks** I noticed you didn’t answer the other questions I asked. I’ll try again If I say to my daughter “You did very well cleaning up your room” …am I praising her? Yes If I say to my wife “You did very well getting that work project done”…am I praising her? Yes If my wife says to me “You did very well handling that emergency”…is she praising me? Yes How else would you characterize those statements, but praise? How are they different from what you said? Here is your chance to at least be honest about what you yourself said. ---
**Author:** ![Ninja\_Pizza\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f04885/32.png) [@Ninja\_Pizza\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ninja_Pizza_Guy)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/109 "2004-07-28T02:48:15Z")
> [@SPOOFE](#): > > What? They put out all the reasons they had before going to war. What would you consider “at the start”? At the start of the war? At the start of the Presidency? At the start of Dubya’s life? When? No, they **didn’t** put all the “reasons” out before going to war. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/110 "2004-07-28T02:49:00Z")
Had I said… **Ben Affleck did very well** …without adding the descriptive. **foisting off O’Reilly** …You’d be right. But I didn’t. So you aren’t. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/111 "2004-07-28T02:51:18Z")
> [@](#): > > Perhaps I meant he did well at foisting off O’Reilly? Or don’t you ever put two parts of a statement together? I have to say I don’t think you’re making much headway at, dare I say it, foisting your bizarre interpretation of what consitutes praise, or not, on us. But please, continue to argue your by now moth-eaten point awhile longer. It’s sure as hell more entertaining than that traveshamockery on FOX earlier tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/112 "2004-07-28T02:53:19Z")
Out of sheer frustartion with this exchange I’m just going to say that, yes **Reeder** offered up some compliments- some “praise”- for Ben Affleck, on the other hand that doesn’t necessarily mean he agreed with everything Affleck said. A lot of conservative have said positive things about Bill Clinton’s speech last night. They concede that he commanded the room, he was charasmatic, he gave an effective speech to the DNC base. That doesn’t mean that they agreed with a word he said, though. So it may be with Reeder. He thinks Affleck held his own with O’Reilly. That doesn’t mean he necessarily concurred with every word. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/113 "2004-07-28T02:54:53Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I have to say I don’t think you’re making much headway at, dare I say it, foisting your bizarre interpretation of what consitutes praise, or not, on us. But please, continue to argue your by now moth-eaten point awhile longer. It’s sure as hell more entertaining than that traveshamockery on FOX earlier tonight. I really do praise what Affleck said. He helld his beliefs up well. Good for him. Now as for dog boy…I just like playing with idiots. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/114 "2004-07-28T02:55:34Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > Had I said… **Ben Affleck did very well** …without adding the descriptive. **foisting off O’Reilly** …You’d be right. > > But I didn’t. > > So you aren’t. Humor me. (Since you STILL didn’t answer my comparison question which included the exact same phrasing that you used …person X “did very well” to do action Y ) Why is saying “Ben Affleck did very well foisting off O’Reilly”, NOT praising what he did to “foist off O’Reilly” Are you criticizing Affleck? Have you no opinion about his efforts? Why no…you think he did something well. That’s praise…right? ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/115 "2004-07-28T02:57:53Z")
and to think this thread USED to be about the debate between Moore and O’Reilly. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/116 "2004-07-28T02:59:58Z")
> [@vanilla](#): > > and to think this thread USED to be about the debate between Moore and O’Reilly. What debate? It was like two kids arguing on a playground. ---
**Author:** ![Creative\_Munster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/919ad9/32.png) [@Creative\_Munster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Creative_Munster)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/117 "2004-07-28T03:04:03Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > What debate? It was like two kids arguing on a playground. Maybe, but the kid who won that argument was O’Reilly. Moore didn’t seem prepared at all, backtracked and hung on to the “tell me you would send your child to Iraq” line for far too long. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/118 "2004-07-28T03:04:10Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > So it may be with Reeder. He thinks Affleck held his own with O’Reilly. That doesn’t mean he necessarily concurred with every word. Wow…that might be meaningful if I had actually fucking suggested that, Of course I didn’t. Someone can say, “I’m not a big fan of Bill Clinton, but he did very well in his speech last night”. Did that person praise Clinton’s remarks… yep. Does that automatically mean she agrees with every thing Clinton stands for, nope. remember **Reeder** ’s first response? It’s a surreal thread where **Reeder** claims to never demonize Bush in any thread on the SDMB…AND says that “saying someone did very well at something” is NOT offering praise. But hey…if you wanna ride that horse…have fun. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/119 "2004-07-28T04:25:01Z")
For cryin’ in the night! Never mind the 10 minutes it took to watch O’Reilly/Moore, between DIOGENESE and SPOOFE, and REEDER and BEAGLEDAVE, I’d settle for getting back the ten minutes I just wasted reading this fucking thread. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/120 "2004-07-28T04:35:23Z")
And **that** will be Moore’s next movie! Ben Affleck, worthy of praise? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137.md?page=7)