# Oh, My Freaking God! (Looong!)

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-freaking-god-looong/188128>\
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [July 13, 2003, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-freaking-god-looong/188128 "2003-07-13T07:55:43Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![mipiace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb9ed0/32.png) [@mipiace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mipiace)\
**Post date:** [August 16, 2003, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-freaking-god-looong/188128/621 "2003-08-16T16:17:27Z")

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> \*Originally posted by peritrochoid \*  
> \*\*wow, thanks, **mipiace**! Haven’t heard “you rock!” addressed to me in a while. ::blushing::  
> afraid to use the blushing/embarrassed smiley after the … umm … lively debate. 😉  
> Hey, **Wyatt**! You may be _Cool and Everything, But®_ … but our dear **mipiace** says _ **I rock!** _😃 😃
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> If **Davebear’s** prior post is any indication, maybe I was being something other than _brave_…  
> Being kind to myself, the word _naïve_ handily comes to mind. 😉 \*\*

No way, it’s not like I was fierce with Davebear…read my response. Even if he did seem to be insinuating I was being loose in my morals I am sure it was a misunderstnading. I do tend to be flirty and rather liberal with my openminded posts here so I can see how he got that impression. Not to mention I have a rather colorful past I have no problem sharing with the world!! 😃

Gee, I think it has been a long time since I have made a guy blush!!! Thanks for making my Saturday morning! [giggle]

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**Author:** ![Wyatt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b19c9b/32.png) [@Wyatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wyatt)\
**Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-freaking-god-looong/188128/622 "2003-08-17T05:39:18Z")

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> \*Originally posted by peritrochoid \*  
> \*\* Hey, **Wyatt**! You may be _Cool and Everything, But®_ … but our dear **mipiace** says _ **I rock!** _😃 😃 \*\*

KEWL, Dude, that is High Praise, all-right, and deservedly so!  
And “_You Rock_” is a Way Kewler thing to hear than, “You, Grasshopper, put rice paper mat On Rock … sleep there!” … Not complainin’ mind ya, just “you rock” has a more poetic ring to it … 😃

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**Author:** ![Flamsterette\_X](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/41988e/32.png) [@Flamsterette\_X](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flamsterette_X)\
**Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-freaking-god-looong/188128/623 "2003-08-17T08:05:29Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Davebear \*  
> **Yes, I’m pretty sure that was you who said it. But, you’re safe. You’re way too far away, and way too young for me. Even if I _could_ understand what you were saying. 😉**

Whew! _wipes brow_ I’m safe from **Davebear** ’s advances! 😃

So you’re saying I’m totally NOT understandable? Eh… sometimes I can be obtuse. Sorry, but that’s how I am.

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> \*Originally posted by peritrochoid \*  
> \*\*wow, thanks, **mipiace**! Haven’t heard “you rock!” addressed to me in a while. \*\*

Neither had I, but then **Spoz** told me that just the other day. (of course, everybody rocks when he’s drunk… but he was saying “cheers for being online in a moment when [he’s] totally hammered…”) That’s still good. 🙂 I like chatting to him, even when he’s drunk… at least he’s a GOOFY drunk, and not a MEAN one.

F\_X

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**Author:** ![Davebear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@Davebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Davebear)\
**Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-freaking-god-looong/188128/624 "2003-08-17T13:26:06Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Wyatt \*  
> \*\*And “_You Rock_” is a Way Kewler thing to hear than, “You, Grasshopper, put rice paper mat On Rock … sleep there!” … Not complainin’ mind ya, just “you rock” has a more poetic ring to it … 😃 \*\*

😃 Well, I have my inner poet locked deep in the inner dungeon, at the moment.

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> _Originally posted by Flamsterette\_X_  
> \*\*Whew! _wipes brow_ I’m safe from Davebear’s advances! \*\*

Hmm. Should I be insulted?

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> \*\*So you’re saying I’m totally NOT understandable? Eh… sometimes I can be obtuse. Sorry, but that’s how I am.😃 \*\*

I didn’t say totally. But, you can be obscure, at times.

Update time! I met Monica for coffee, pre-party, yesterday. Good thing, too, because she had zero interest in me. Wouldn’t even make eye contact, most of the time. Too bad, too, because she was very attractive, and I liked her, aside from that. Oh, well. So, I didn’t go to the party; it would have been very uncomfortable, for both of us, I think. I went to the dopefest, such as it was, instead. Turned out to be just me and **Robot Arm**. And, an incredibly luscious young waitress. And, some yummy cherry pie.

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**Author:** ![green\_bladder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/73ab20/32.png) [@green\_bladder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/green_bladder)\
**Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-freaking-god-looong/188128/625 "2003-08-17T13:38:00Z")

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So, uh, did this thread turn out to last longer than you expected it to, **Davebear**?

😉

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**Author:** ![KP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a9adbd/32.png) [@KP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KP)\
**Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-freaking-god-looong/188128/626 "2003-08-17T15:47:00Z")

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> > ```
> > but I've never particularly enjoyed recieving 
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> _to which DaveBear, Dominus omniarum quis revocat [1], respondeth:_  
> **Well, now you’ve lost me. Can’t even conceive of that notion.**

Well, not meaning to hijack [2], but personally, well, it gets _lonely_ up here, when she’s down at a -er- ‘Staff meeting’ with the General and his Adjutants. I don’t like the feeling that “being serviced” like a car up on jacks[3]. As I said, this is a bit hypocritical of me, given my other preferences, but there it is. _De gustibus non disputandum._ [4]

Actually, I feel kinda bad about my OP on this. I really do have the preferences I stated, but my feeble attempt to complete the circle with a "joke"was pretty lame. I’m trying to find my SMDB voice again after a long absence, and for some reason, failing so utterly that I bore even myself. I blame a subconscious conflict with to the meaning underlying my nick here, born of what are now tumultuous memories of a long distant life: I’m not having this problem on #straightdope IRC under another nick, or another BBS I frequent.)

Thanks for bearing with me until I get it sorted out. [5]

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[1] “Master of all who call back”

[2] yeah, like this thread hasn’t already been to Cuba so often that the FAA wants to reclassify it as a shuttle. Oh wait, that’s not the FAA, It’s Freetobeme trying to get the thread closed as “travel to cuba” (seriously, no hard feelings on my end, bud -i’m trying to (re)find my voice, too- I’m just ragging on ya like I’d rag on anyone)

[3] jokes involving brake and lube jobs deleted under the human rights provisions of the 1975 UNESCO Helsinki Agreement

[4] This is either Latin for “There’s no accounting for tastes” or my drunken mestizo Spanish for “trust me, compadre, you don’t want to taste that puta” (damn, now I’ll never again be able to read the word “putative” without snickering)

[5] No pun intended, Bear

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**Author:** ![Flamsterette\_X](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/41988e/32.png) [@Flamsterette\_X](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flamsterette_X)\
**Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-freaking-god-looong/188128/627 "2003-08-17T23:03:58Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Davebear \*  
> **Hmm. Should I be insulted?**

No, don’t take it as an insult. 🙂 Just that if I did have someone of a certain age trying to come onto me in real life, I’d be a little ooged out. But this is just fine here… I’m safe from anybody trying to actually contact me and flirt in real time. (if you know what I mean)

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> I didn’t say totally. But, you can be obscure, at times.

Yes, that much I admit. Like the times when I go on and on about certain pet subjects of mine. Even my top online person to talk to gets tired of it!

F\_X

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**Author:** ![Davebear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@Davebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Davebear)\
**Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-freaking-god-looong/188128/628 "2003-08-18T03:50:27Z")

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> \*Originally posted by green\_bladder \*  
> \*\*So, uh, did this thread turn out to last longer than you expected it to, Davebear? \*\*

Well, it certainly lasted longer than I’d hoped. I’d hoped to have a happy ending with which to wrap things up, long ago. But, I can’t say it’s a _huge_ surprise, given my history of long threads.

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> \*Originally posted by KP \*  
> **Well, not meaning to hijack [2], but personally, well, it gets _lonely_ up here, when she’s down at a -er- ‘Staff meeting’ with the General and his Adjutants. I don’t like the feeling that “being serviced” like a car up on jacks[3]. As I said, this is a bit hypocritical of me, given my other preferences, but there it is. _De gustibus non disputandum._ [4]**

Ahhh! _Now_, I get it. I even share that sentiment, to some extent. That’s different than what I though you meant.

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> \*\*Actually, I feel kinda bad about my OP on this. I really do have the preferences I stated, but my feeble attempt to complete the circle with a "joke"was pretty lame. I’m trying to find my SMDB voice again after a long absence, and for some reason, failing so utterly that I bore even myself. \*\*

Don’t worry about it. You’re getting there. 🙂

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> \*\*Thanks for bearing with me until I get it sorted out. [5]
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> [5] No pun intended, Bear \*\*

Puns are always welcome in my threads. I’m sort of a lapsed punster, myself.

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> \*Originally posted by Flamsterette\_X \*  
> \*\*No, don’t take it as an insult. 🙂 Just that if I did have someone of a certain age trying to come onto me in real life, I’d be a little ooged out. But this is just fine here… I’m safe from anybody trying to actually contact me and flirt in real time. (if you know what I mean) \*\*

Great. Now, I’m “of a certain age”. I thought that phrase only applied to women “of a certain age”.

But, I would say you’re actually _safe_ from people contacting you. You have your email address public, after all.

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**Author:** ![Wyatt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b19c9b/32.png) [@Wyatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wyatt)\
**Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-freaking-god-looong/188128/629 "2003-08-18T06:38:02Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Davebear \*  
> \*\*😃 Update time! I met Monica for coffee, pre-party, yesterday. Good thing, too, because she had zero interest in me. Wouldn’t even make eye contact, most of the time. I went to the dopefest, such as it was … \*\*

Bummer! Wouldn’t even make eye-contact after persuing you on the web! I know that girl! … wait … that opposite coast thing, again, I know her clone!  
And just SEE the power you have, **D.Beat** … once folks heard \* you\* weren’t gonna make the Dope Fest, everyone but our Stout and devoted arms bearer, bailed! It really IS all about you! **D.Bear**!!!  
Everything, really … about you … yup … all of it!

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**Author:** ![mipiace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb9ed0/32.png) [@mipiace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mipiace)\
**Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-freaking-god-looong/188128/630 "2003-08-18T14:20:13Z")

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Wow Dave, you have your own fan club. Amazing.You should start selling tickets. Maybe you could eventually quit your day job. I see Tonight show appearances in your future, book tours, ahouse in the Hollywood Hills, … then you wouldn’t have to worry about [Cupid.com](http://Cupid.com)…all the young starlets would clamour to fall at your feet. Imagine!..Fame fortune and fine young flesh, all you need is the right agent. I think Wyatt is right for the job.

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**Author:** ![Davebear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@Davebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Davebear)\
**Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-freaking-god-looong/188128/631 "2003-08-18T16:47:50Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Davebear \*  
> \*\*But, I would say you’re actually _safe_ from people contacting you. You have your email address public, after all. \*\*

Dammit! That’s what happens when you rush. Obviously, it’s supposed to say “I would **not** say…”. Makes no sense, as is.

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> \*Originally posted by Wyatt \*  
> **Bummer! Wouldn’t even make eye-contact after persuing you on the web! I know that girl! … wait … that opposite coast thing, again, I know her clone!**

Well, I wouldn’t say she was actually pursuing me. It was kind of mutual. We were _both_ interested.

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> **And just SEE the power you have, D.Bear … once folks heard you weren’t gonna make the Dope Fest, everyone but our Stout and devoted arms bearer, bailed! It really IS all about you! D.Bear!!!**

Yeah, that’s it. :rolleyes:

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> \*Originally posted by mipiace \*  
> \*\*Wow Dave, you have your own fan club. Amazing.You should start selling tickets. Maybe you could eventually quit your day job. I see Tonight show appearances in your future, book tours, ahouse in the Hollywood Hills, … then you wouldn’t have to worry about [Cupid.com](http://Cupid.com)…all the young starlets would clamour to fall at your feet. Imagine!..Fame fortune and fine young flesh, all you need is the right agent. I think Wyatt is right for the job. \*\*

That sounds like fun. But, if these women fall at my feet, **Wyatt** will grab them. You know how he’s always prostating himself at my feet. 😃

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**Author:** ![mipiace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb9ed0/32.png) [@mipiace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mipiace)\
**Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-freaking-god-looong/188128/632 "2003-08-18T16:56:35Z")

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“Prostating” himself at your feet? Sounds kinda icky Dave…

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**Author:** ![Wyatt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b19c9b/32.png) [@Wyatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wyatt)\
**Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-freaking-god-looong/188128/633 "2003-08-18T17:33:20Z")

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> \*Originally posted by mipiace \*  
> \*\*all the young starlets would clamour to fall at your feet. \*\*

ummmmm … a little company there at the feet … [simpsons-Homer] Ummmmm _S t a r l e t s_ … [/simpsons]

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> \*Originally posted by DaveBear \*  
> \*\*Wyatt will grab them. You know how he’s always _prostating_ himself at my feet. \*\*

Prostating? _Audible Rubber Glove ¦ Snap ¦_ … Hey!!! Wait Just a Minute! :o  
(gee, That blush actually Fits here!)

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**Author:** ![Wyatt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b19c9b/32.png) [@Wyatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wyatt)\
**Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-freaking-god-looong/188128/634 "2003-08-18T17:48:23Z")

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_ **Public Announcement** _\_\_\_\_\_\_  
There Was No Pun In The “Blush Smiley” Comment.  
------------Repeat There WAS NO Pun.-----------------

It was a simple statement noting the poorly created “embarrasment”[sic] artwork was actually a fitting Commentary for this post. NOTHING Else was or is intended by that sentence. If YOU find different thoughts associated with that comment, Please call a technician for adjustment or repair of your receiving/translation unit.

_thank you for your attention, we now return you to your regularly scheduled thread commentary_

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**Author:** ![mipiace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb9ed0/32.png) [@mipiace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mipiace)\
**Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-freaking-god-looong/188128/635 "2003-08-18T19:50:25Z")

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Sooo Wyatt, what pun did YOU associate with the artwork? Hmmm? care to explain to us in little bitty words? LOL! Feel free to prostate your ass off my fine friend! [hands him a rubber glove…on second thought, hands him TWO]

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**Author:** ![Wyatt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b19c9b/32.png) [@Wyatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wyatt)\
**Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-freaking-god-looong/188128/636 "2003-08-18T20:43:55Z")

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> \*Originally posted by mipiace \*  
> **Sooo Wyatt, what pun did YOU associate with the artwork? Hmmm? care to explain to us in little bitty words?**

Ohhhhhh … nuthin’… never mind … just a poor choice of words … nothing to see here, folks, just keep moving …

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> \*\* LOL! Feel free to prostate your ass off my fine friend! \*\*

- _ponders the anatomy of this suggestion … shivers and runs to take 4 Saw Palmetto capsules, just for good measure_ \*

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**Author:** ![Wyatt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b19c9b/32.png) [@Wyatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wyatt)\
**Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-freaking-god-looong/188128/637 "2003-08-18T20:49:24Z")

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So … back to **DBear** Just for curiosity, What did you and Monica talk about at your little pre-party coffee? How’d y’all decide that you shouldn’t go meet her other bald-guy loving friends? What kind of party Was it? Didja find out?

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**Author:** ![White\_Ink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c0e974/32.png) [@White\_Ink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Ink)\
**Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-freaking-god-looong/188128/638 "2003-08-18T21:07:06Z")

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Now that it’s Monday…

Davebear wrote:

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> Couldn’t beat the weirdos, so you decided to join them?

I’ve been weird for a rilly long time. Usually it’s not Dada weird tho’.

Davebear and Peritrochoid wrote:

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> > _Originally posted by peritrochoid_  
> > [nitpick] Mein Deutsch ist nicht so gut, aber … isn’t bitte the more correct response to danke. [/nitpick]
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> _origintally posted by Davebear_  
> Nope. Bitte = please, danke = thank you, wilkommen = welcome.

_Ding Ding_ one radler for the dude whose name sounds like rocks. But I knew what Dave meant anyhow.

Carry on!

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**Author:** ![peritrochoid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@peritrochoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peritrochoid)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-freaking-god-looong/188128/639 "2003-08-19T01:09:02Z")

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> \*Originally posted by White Ink \*  
> **_Ding Ding_ one radler for the dude whose name sounds like rocks. But I knew what Dave meant anyhow.**

HA! That’s great! Not only do _ **I rock** _ (thanks **mipiace**!), but my name also sounds like _rocks_! 😃

Coincidence? I don’t think so!

::thoughtfully ponders the meaning of _radler_:: 😕

So, Dave, how go things in the romance department this week? 🙂

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**Author:** ![Davebear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@Davebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Davebear)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-freaking-god-looong/188128/640 "2003-08-19T03:20:57Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Wyatt \*  
> \*\*So … back to **DBear** Just for curiosity, What did you and Monica talk about at your little pre-party coffee? How’d y’all decide that you shouldn’t go meet her other bald-guy loving friends? What kind of party Was it? Didja find out? \*\*

Well, it was gruelling, if you must know. I’ve rarely had such a struggle to keep a conversation going. We talked about movies, long enough to discover we share little in that realm. We talked about her coming from Jersey. Normally a good thing, in my book. Except that I mentioned having been to Newark, once, and found it to be a “horrible, industrial area”. Care to guess where she’s from? We talked about her love of travel and my distaste for same. I mean, Europe or Australia, sure. But, she volunteered to spend two weeks working for Sister Theresa’s organisation in Calcutta. She wants to go to Iran. What does one say to that?

“Really? And, they let you run around loose?”

As for the party, she clearly didn’t like me, at all, so there was no way I was going to trap myself in a room with her for another several hours. And, I doubt her friends would have felt any differently. Birds of a feather, and all that. It was a gathering of like-minded folk from various endeavors, mostly volunteer work. I believe there were supposed to be seven women there, but that could easily have resulted in my simply feeling seven times more worthless. So, I didn’t see the point in going.

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> \*Originally posted by White Ink \*  
> \*\*I’ve been weird for a rilly long time. Usually it’s not Dada weird tho’. \*\*

I haven’t seen or heard anyone use “rilly” in about 25 years. My sister used to do it, and I always wanted to smack her, when she did. But, maybe it sounds less annoying when you say it. (I doubt it, though.)

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> \*\*_Ding Ding_ one radler for the dude whose name sounds like rocks. But I knew what Dave meant anyhow. \*\*

Huh. I thought German was a literal language.

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> \*Originally posted by peritrochoid \*  
> \*\*HA! That’s great! Not only do I rock (thanks mipiace!), but my name also sounds like rocks! 😃
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> Coincidence? I don’t think so!
> 
> ::thoughtfully ponders the meaning of radler:: 😕
> 
> So, Dave, how go things in the romance department this week? :)\*\*

I think your name sounds like some fossil critter, even though I know it’s a geometry term. But, maybe we should just call you Rocky, from now on. 🙂

Romance? Well, I saw Harmony, again, Sunday. I got the full details on her hellish divorce (and I speak as the veteran of two, myself…hers is hellish), and the other men (now down to one man) in her life. Then we had dessert. But, the preceding talk kind of took some of the luster off the frosting, if you know what I mean. And, it was pretty short, because she had to go pick up her daughter; only an hour, or so. But, it was still nice.

Other than that, nada. I never did hear back from the other one that wanted to meet. I should probably follow up with her. But, this is why I wasn’t worried about all the juggling, earlier. I knew some of them would turn out to be illusory. (I’m not always as clueless as I was with Theresa.)

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