# Oh my fucking god. I cannot stand the far left **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 8, 2024, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406 "2024-08-08T04:27:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/341 "2024-08-13T01:03:46Z")
My friend once told me, _war never resolves who is right, only who is left_. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/342 "2024-08-13T03:59:13Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > But I think the high-intensity defensiveness, resentment, suspicion of personal attack, etc. shown in his posts on these issues in this thread come across as very typical white-fragility behavior. And, consciously or not, strategies of blame deflection are part of the white-fragility toolkit for soothing majority-culture discomfort around racial issues. I was in a high emotional state when I started this thread which spilled over into how I talked to people. I know about white fragility but I really don’t think I suffer from it. I’ve never really associated my identity with my race, and I feel that whites that do associate their identity with their race are, as a collective group, a serious threat to the well being of the country. I don’t think I feel white fragility. Do I have other flaws or biases? Yes I do, but I’d rather not go into them here, I just don’t feel white fragility is one of them. I actively look forward to the day when non-whites have gained enough political power to neutralize the power of white christian fascists. Having said that, online trolling is connected to personality traits like sadism. You and the others can gaslight and ridicule that fact all you want, but its a real thing. > **[Internet trolling and everyday sadism: Parallel effects on pain perception...](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29663396/)** > > Results confirm that online trolling is motivated (at least in part) by sadistic tendencies. Coupled with effective rationalization mechanisms, sadistic pleasure can be consummated in such everyday behaviors as online trolling. > **Results:** Across both studies, online trolling was strongly associated with a sadistic personality profile. Moreover, sadism and trolling predicted identical patterns of pleasure and harm minimization. The incremental contribution of sadism was sustained even when controlling for broader antisocial tendencies (i.e., the Dark Triad, callous-unemotionality, and trait aggression). > **[New Study: Most Trolls Have Subclinical Sadism](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/finding-a-new-home/202208/new-study-most-trolls-have-subclinical-sadism)** > > A recent paper reports the first-ever systematic review of the link between everyday sadism and aggression, including anger, sexual violence, and trolling. > Analysis of data showed, furthermore, a strong association between sadism and _trolling_ (i.e., disrupting, upsetting, or harassing people online) and other types of cyber-aggression. This agrees with previous studies. In fact, the authors of a 2014 paper stated, “Online trolls are prototypical everyday [sadists] I don’t honestly care and it isn’t a perfect connection by any means, but its worth pointing out to people who try to gaslight and manipulate to deny the connection. Not that I’m innocent of it, I’ve been extremely rude to people on this board myself. Generally though (but not always) when I’m rude I direct it at the individual because I don’t like them personally, I generally don’t just look for any sign of weakness or non-conformity to social mores among the general public to pounce on. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/343 "2024-08-13T04:10:24Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > My friend once told me, _war never resolves who is right, only who is left_. Napoleon once said something like ‘god is on the side with the best artillery’. And generally speaking whoever has the best military wins the war, irrelevant of whether they are moral or not. Having said that, there are moral wars. The Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia in 1978 kicked the Khmer Rogue out of power. The war between Uganda and Tanzania in 1979 led to the removal of the dictator Idi Amin. The western Allies bringing down Germany and Japan in ww2. The war against ISIL in the middle east. On another note, humans are a more pro-social species of primate. Theories of this are that in our evolutionary history we started ganging up on and murdering the sociopathic alpha males who tried to dominate the entire tribe. This led to selection pressures against aggressiveness and for pro-social behavior. [https://www.science.org/content/article/early-humans-domesticated-themselves-new-genetic-evidence-suggests#](https://www.science.org/content/article/early-humans-domesticated-themselves-new-genetic-evidence-suggests#) ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/344 "2024-08-13T04:17:19Z")
We are a pro-social species overall. I read an article where someone had counted aggressive interactions in flocks of pigeons and herds of grazers, and people crammed into subway cars and on the streets of NY. And people had far fewer aggressive interactions than any other species they investigated. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/345 "2024-08-13T04:22:01Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > On another note, humans are a more pro-social species of primate. Theories of this are that in our evolutionary history we started ganging up on and murdering the sociopathic alpha males who tried to dominate the entire tribe. This led to selection pressures against aggressiveness and for pro-social behavior. I am not buying it. Social/sociopathic behavior is not actually heritable, so there is no foundation upon which to base the premise. It just does not work that way. Behavior patterns are mostly epigenetic, plus learned/acquired, so it is nearly impossible to select for them.        Apart from that, our modern society is _dominated by sociopaths_. They run the show, and have shaped the dialog toward favoring sociopathic behavior patterns (e.g., greed is the valuable force that drives “progress”).        In other words, the very claim they are making is contradicted by the evidence of modern society and its effects, like Vlad and Individual-ONE. Better sources or more critical thinking is in order here. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/346 "2024-08-13T04:22:53Z")
Napoleon’s only approximation to human genius was his understanding that the closest any individual can come to _controlling_ events is to _create_ them. Stirring the shit and reaping the whirlwind for as long as he could. Better to be an agent of chaos than a caretaker of maintenance. Ultimately H. G. Wells had his number: just another rooster crowning on a dunghill. And that’s still a thing. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/347 "2024-08-13T04:24:58Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > We are a pro-social species overall. I read an article where someone had counted aggressive interactions in flocks of pigeons and herds of grazers, and people crammed into subway cars and on the streets of NY. And people had far fewer aggressive interactions than any other species they investigated. I wouldn’t be surprised, but I assume part of that is due to our self domestication by using language, strategy and weapons to kill off the sociopathic, abusive alpha males who tried to dominate the social tribe. Around 2 million years ago the Congo river grew and separated out the ancestors of bonobos and chimpanzees. The chimpanzee ancestors lived in an area with food shortages and competition from gorillas for territory and food. The bonobos lived in an area with much less competition and plentiful food. The end result is the chimpanzees evolved to be much more aggressive than the bonobos. > **[Bonobos and Chimps: The Story of the Great Divide](https://www.bonobos.org/post/bonoboschimpsandthecongoriver#)** > > Bonobos and Chimps: How they got separated on 2 sides of the Congo River and became so different, even though they have so much in common. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/348 "2024-08-13T04:27:24Z")
If you come in the pit you need a thick skin if you’re going to make broad statements, generalizations, gore someone’s sacred cow etc. etc. The pit is not trolling as I understand it. Trolling is going to a place and _deliberately_ saying things guaranteed to get regular posters upset or angry. For instance going to a left leaning board and making pro trump statements and saying how you like the tears of liberals etc. I don’t know how to do it right as I don’t troll, but you get the idea. So calling people who disagree with you and (pretty politely considering it’s the pit for cry eye) calling all of them us? sadistic? Well, is the pit but really pot kettle. shrug. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/349 "2024-08-13T04:32:35Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > I am not buying it. Social/sociopathic behavior is not actually heritable, so there is no foundation upon which to base the premise. It just does not work that way. Behavior patterns are mostly epigenetic, plus learned/acquired, so it is nearly impossible to select for them. >        Apart from that, our modern society is _dominated by sociopaths_. They run the show, and have shaped the dialog toward favoring sociopathic behavior patterns (e.g., greed is the valuable force that drives “progress”). >        In other words, the very claim they are making is contradicted by the evidence of modern society and its effects, like Vlad and Individual-ONE. Better sources or more critical thinking is in order here. Selection pressure against aggressive and abusive behavior doesn’t mean it was eliminated. Just less intense. > **[Genetic and environmental influences on antisocial behavior](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3920596/)** > There is compelling evidence from behavioral genetic research that heritable influences are of importance in the development of antisocial behavior; approximately 50% of the total variance in antisocial behavior is explained by genetic influences. Yet, there is also evidence of a large environmental effect, both shared and non-shared environmental influences have been found to explain the remaining half of the variance Sociopaths are overrepresented in business leadership and political leadership positions. Most likely in leadership positions in law or military too. > **[1 in 5 business leaders may have psychopathic tendencies—here's why,...](https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/08/the-science-behind-why-so-many-successful-millionaires-are-psychopaths-and-why-it-doesnt-have-to-be-a-bad-thing.html)** > > Narcissism involves an unrealistic sense of grandiosity and superiority, manifested in the form of vanity, self-admiration and delusions of talent. This is commonly found in bosses, according to psychology professor Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic. But it... [https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/research-suggests-politicians-are-more-likely-to-be-psychopaths-11364143/](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/research-suggests-politicians-are-more-likely-to-be-psychopaths-11364143/) > **[How many politicians are psychopaths?](https://www.forkingpaths.co/p/how-many-politicians-are-psychopaths)** > > Dark Triad traits are over-represented in positions of power. Are the halls of Congress and Parliament overrun with psychopaths? I would assume all dark triad traits (sociopathy, narcissism, Machiavellianism) are overrepresented in positions of power. But that doesn’t mean 100% have these traits. The point isn’t that we’ve eliminated dark triad traits, abusive behavior, greed, etc from our species. Just that we turned the dial down a few points due to our self domestication. Had we not done that we’d be a more evil species. Politicians like Donald Trump and Putin would be the rule, not the exception. About 90 of the worlds 192 countries are liberal democracies at this point. The world spends far more on education and healthcare than we spend on war. Global spending on healthcare and education is about 16 trillion. Global spending on military is 2.5 ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/350 "2024-08-13T04:49:30Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Having said that, online trolling is connected to personality traits like sadism. You and the others can gaslight and ridicule that fact all you want, but its a real thing. Trolling **is** sadism. They are causing distress for people and deriving pleasure from it. It’s kind of like saying that people who enjoy punching themselves in the balls are connected to a personality trait like masochism; no, that’s an actual example of masochism. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/351 "2024-08-13T06:00:29Z")
I agree completely. The following tactics seem to be getting a decent amount of use. > **[8 Common Internet Trolling Tactics (And How to Handle Them) - Samantha North](https://samanthanorth.com/internet-trolling-tactics)** > > What is internet trolling? Harassment online has become very common. I discuss eight top troll tactics and explain how you can handle them. > Sealioning > This tactic, named after an online comic, involves the troll asking relentless questions about the topic of discussion, even after the opponent has explained it in detail numerous times. When called out, the troll will insist that they’re being civil, and just wanting to learn. But in reality, their game is to keep the opponent online as long as possible, derailing the original discussion and making the opponent frustrated and angry. Trolls often use sealioning to derail discussions of important but contentious issues, such as climate change. > > Debate Obsessives > Some trolls will hold forth on the great value of debate, claiming that it’s all that they seek. They make debating seem like a wholesome and healthy pastime, luring unsuspecting opponents into never-ending and fruitless interactions. When challenged, trolls will often bring up their ‘freedom of speech’, and how they’re supposedly being deprived of it. Don’t fall for this tactic; it’s not proper debate. They just want to waste your time. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/352 "2024-08-13T08:48:15Z")
The solution to all that nonsense is to exercise agency. Oh no someone says something I disagree with on the internet! Think about all the nonsense in all the various media. It’s not your destiny to be forced to convince everyone on how wrong they are so when a discussion is a waste of your time move on. That’s what I don’t understand about this ridiculous desire to deplatform people. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/353 "2024-08-13T08:48:53Z")
The mainstream progressive left is pretty damn nutty as well. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/354 "2024-08-13T09:14:39Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The mainstream progressive left is pretty damn nutty as well. Yes. Most of us heard it the first time you made that claim, > [@octopus](#): > > I’ll name a few: media, academia, and city and state governments. And yes, those institutions impact my life. and never, in any fucking way, posted any fucking thing to substantiate it. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/355 "2024-08-13T09:14:39Z")
Do tell. ---
**Author:** ![actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e79b87/32.png) [@actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/actualliberalnotoneofthose)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/356 "2024-08-13T09:47:36Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > How oversensitive they are. God fucking forbid you refer to autism as a mental illness instead of a neurodivergence. God fucking forbid you refer to someone as pansexual when they are really demisexual. OK, this part was weird to me, tbh. I’m probably on the spectrum, and I’m not personally offended by that. I doubt many here would consider me “far left.” But some words and things have meanings. I won’t get offended, but I’m some kind of demisexual and me/that would never in any was be confused for being “pansexual.” It’s just a very odd example that makes no sense. Again, not offended, not getting unhinged rage at you, just a very odd thing to get wrong. I can’t even think of such another odd example compare it to. Like, idk, why did this Hindu get so offended when I called her a Muslim? totally the same thing, don’t get mad at me bro. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/357 "2024-08-13T12:10:55Z")
It’s already well-established the OP is full of shit and is relying on lying full of shit sources for everything he’s posted. Picking at the flyshit in his OP’s pepper is silly. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/358 "2024-08-13T12:26:48Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Apart from that, our modern society is _dominated by sociopaths_. They run the show, and have shaped the dialog toward favoring sociopathic behavior patterns (e.g., greed is the valuable force that drives “progress”). That seems _very_ far fetched. The fact that you don’t like rich people or think you would do a better job sharing your wealth or whatever doesn’t mean that the Western world’s entire upper class is sociopathic. Maybe instead of blaming a brain condition (that makes it very easy to say “I am not evil like them, if I became rich and powerful I would not act like that”; it is much harder to accept that horrible things are done by normal, even good people) we should try to understand the societal carrots and sticks that make people act in different ways. If ‘greed’ is motivated by trying to secure resources for your family, that’s certainly not “sociopathic”. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/359 "2024-08-13T12:38:57Z")
I would take exception to the phrase, “oh my fucking God”, but it is biblically stated that He did mate with Mary. LOL ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/360 "2024-08-13T13:52:29Z")
> [@actualliberalnotoneofthose](#): > > > [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > > > How oversensitive they are. God fucking forbid you refer to autism as a mental illness instead of a neurodivergence. God fucking forbid you refer to someone as pansexual when they are really demisexual. > > OK, this part was weird to me, tbh. I’m probably on the spectrum, and I’m not personally offended by that. I doubt many here would consider me “far left.” But some words and things have meanings. I won’t get offended, but I’m some kind of demisexual and me/that would never in any was be confused for being “pansexual.” It’s just a very odd example that makes no sense. Again, not offended, not getting unhinged rage at you, just a very odd thing to get wrong. I can’t even think of such another odd example compare it to. Like, idk, why did this Hindu get so offended when I called her a Muslim? totally the same thing, don’t get mad at me bro. I was in a bad mood when i posted this. I felt like id just spent several hours with very toxic people and I had a lot of repressed anger because of it. Would it have been better for me to direct the anger at them instead? Yes. To me it was more an example of some individuals demanding an extremely high level of personalized understanding and validation, who refuse to give even basic understanding and validation to others. If that makes senses [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406.md?page=19)