# Oh my fucking god. I cannot stand the far left **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 8, 2024, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406 "2024-08-08T04:27:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/81 "2024-08-08T15:51:27Z")
This is one difference between the right and left in America today: to show how extreme the right has become we can show footage of what Republican politicians have said. The way they’ve used the power of Congress, the bills they’ve cynically voted down. What they want to enshrine in law and have documented e.g. in Project 2025. Criticisms of the “far left” are always some cite-less anecdote about a random person, or evidence-less insinuations about what Democrats _really_ want. In a sense though I can agree with the OP: if the strawman leftist exists, I also think he has wacky views. I can honestly say I’ve never met one though. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/82 "2024-08-08T15:53:31Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > ignore all that because it was centuries ago I was watching a documentary about the Satanic Temple. They noted that one of their events in Boston was cancelled in part because of complaints by the Catholic Church. The ST guy says in an interview that the Boston Diocese called us evil, while they spent decades actively protecting their child molesting priests. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/83 "2024-08-08T16:01:14Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > “Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds” is a line you still commonly see on Twitter or on BreadTube (lefty YouTube). Is that like, a Corsican Brothers metaphor? Where something that happens to one guy is felt by another guy instead? If I could get the America-hating fuckstick as the guy who feels my events, I’d never stop smashing my scrotum with a sledgehammer. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/84 "2024-08-08T16:15:36Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > > > Those things you mention in paragraph 2 were the right things to do twenty years ago, and they’re the right things to do today. That’s centrism, just as it was twenty years ago. > > Wait, so now “centrism” is defined as “the right thing to do”? > > Hah. Insofar as > [@](#): > > “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.” > > ― Theodore Parker is a valid statement, it’s a defensible equivalency. Completely aspirational, I concede, but I have contempt for those who display contempt for the aspiration. Why the hell do you think I characterize the America-hating fuckstick as hating America? ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/85 "2024-08-08T16:25:57Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > I agree with the OP insofar as yes, the extremists on both sides are assholes. The major difference today is that Crazy As Fuck MAGAs get shit done (unfortunately) while the Crazy-Ass Progressives are relatively harmless. Someone screaming at a city council meeting or on a university campus about SJW topic of the week? Meh, just move on and shove past them like when dealing with Karens. This I completely agree with. I don’t like far left extremists (tankies, dogmatic communists, etc) and I don’t like far right Islamists either. But far right, white christian nativists are the biggest threat we face as Americans. I was pissed as hell and very frustrated when I made this post but I really wish in the real world that the far left, the center left, centrists and the center right could all come together to stop the far right from destroying the country. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/86 "2024-08-08T16:28:54Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > A fair amount of the far left is basically unthinkingly anti-West, and support anything that they regard as opposed to “the West” regardless of if it makes any sense ideologically. Islam, fascists, it doesn’t matter; what matters is opposition to “the West”. Which is pretty much synonymous with “the Devil” to them. > > There’s even a name for that, [Campism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campism). The West is the enemy “camp”, and they’ll support anyone or anything that opposes it. I genuiney appreciate your replies in this thread, because you understand what its like to talk to these people. Also thank you for the term campism. I wasn’t aware of this. I’d always called them rejectionists. IMO, they reject westernism and what they feel it stands for (white skin, western nations, judeochristianity, etc). Which is fine to a degree. The far left will stand up against things like white supremacy, or western nativism, or Christian dominionism, etc. But the issue is that they don’t really care about morality or justice, just rejectionism. They are perfectly fine with the oppression of women and gays just so long as a non-christian does it. They are fine with imperialism just so long as it isn’t the west who does it. They are fine with racism just so long as it isn’t a white person doing it. It grates on your nerves quickly. But I do genuinely appreciate your replies in this thread, they’ve been validating and informative, so thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/87 "2024-08-08T16:33:44Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > > [@Babale](#): > > > > “Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds” is a line you still commonly see on Twitter or on BreadTube (lefty YouTube). > > Is that like, a Corsican Brothers metaphor? Where something that happens to one guy is felt by another guy instead? No, it means that a liberal is just a fascist with a thin coat of paint. Which is why tankies see ‘liberal’ as an insult. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/88 "2024-08-08T16:35:58Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > > [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > > > Nope. But I’d be happy to add you to the list. You’ve been a whiny bitch for years Czarcasm. I say that as someone who has been on this board for 20 years too. I have no idea how anyone puts up with you in real life. > > Thankfully when I was in college I met some people from the Left who were there because of general concern for other human beings, not because they enjoy the sense of superiority they get from shitting on people they oppose. That made me feel much better about identifying with the Left, but I agree that the problems you highlight are real and present. IMO what truly seperates the center left from the far left is that the center left is ‘pro’ things while the far left is ‘anti’ things. The center left is pro womens rights, pro gay rights, pro human rights, etc. The far left is just anti western, anti white, anti judeochristian. On some issues, we agree. Like both the center left and the far left can agree that christian men oppressing women is wrong. Or that police brutality against black people is wrong. Or that christians oppression gays is wrong. The issue is that as a center leftist, i also feel the USSR is evil. Or that Hamas is evil. But a lot on the far left who I’ve met don’t really care about the oppression and evil of these groups. If anything they support them because they are anti-western. speaking of the USSR, when the Tsar stepped down and they held elections in 1917, the center left parties dominated. I wish that Russia had kept its democracy and center left parties in charge, the nation would’ve been much better off that way rather than being under the thumb of Stalin and the bolsheviks. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/89 "2024-08-08T16:39:27Z")
Best example I’ve heard recently is Nate Silver describing a discussion with a college student who insisted that Hamas was fully supportive of gay and trans rights. As he pointed out, this isn’t a real thought process, it’s an expression of a desire to fit in with a crowd that embraces both Hamas and gay rights. (Coupled with the good fortune to live far enough from Hamas to not be in imminent danger from them). ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/90 "2024-08-08T16:41:54Z")
> [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](#): > > > GET OFFA MY LAWN, YOU NO-GOOD KIDS! > > 😛 Yeah I know. Get off my lawn, its messing up the grass. You shouldn’t support Hamas because they rape women, throw gay people off of roofs, use civilians as human shields and want to genocide the jews. tomayto/tomahto Same thing, I agree. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/91 "2024-08-08T16:43:24Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Insofar as > > > [@](#): > > > > “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.” > > > > ― Theodore Parker > > is a valid statement, it’s a defensible equivalency. I don’t see the word “centrist” anywhere in that quote. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/92 "2024-08-08T16:58:01Z")
Fair enough, but you also don’t see the words, “the right thing to do.” ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/93 "2024-08-08T17:07:03Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > IMO what truly seperates the center left from the far left is that the center left is ‘pro’ things while the far left is ‘anti’ things. That seems like a “you” issue, though. If you define “far left” in a different way from other people, of course they’re not going to agree with you. At some point that becomes a No True Scotsman situation. “Well I know some leftists who don’t fit that” “They’re not really far left” “Bwuh?” ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/94 "2024-08-08T17:22:48Z")
> [@Charlie\_Tan](#): > > You claim to be left(-center) but your talking points seems to be from Sebastian Gorka. Definitely getting a “With friends like these…” vibe from the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/95 "2024-08-08T17:23:07Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > > [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > > > IMO what truly seperates the center left from the far left is that the center left is ‘pro’ things while the far left is ‘anti’ things. > > That seems like a “you” issue, though. > > If you define “far left” in a different way from other people, of course they’re not going to agree with you. > > At some point that becomes a No True Scotsman situation. > > “Well I know some leftists who don’t fit that” > “They’re not really far left” > “Bwuh?” Its entirely possible that I am only referring to a subsection of the far left, and not the far left in general. However there is a subsection of the far left who act the way I’ve described. I have no idea what % of the far left act this way though, but its not an insignificant proportion from what I’ve seen over the years running in left leaning circles. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/96 "2024-08-08T17:35:13Z")
The extreme left is a small group that has no influence on the Democratic Party. Most Democrats are centrists in the Harris-Walz model. The extreme left has never tried to overthrow the US government by force the way the extreme right did. The extreme right has taken over the Republican Party and has nominated their candidate for three consecutive elections. Demonizing the extreme left is a waste of time. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/97 "2024-08-08T17:36:39Z")
Of course you see it as disproportionate. It’s the same phenomenon as the “Ugly American” tourist abroad. They’re the only ones who make themselves conspicuous. But they are so conspicuous that people think they’re more common than they are. Most American tourists are generally well behaved. If the conspicuous ones are your guidepost, of course your measurements will be off. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/98 "2024-08-08T17:41:09Z")
It’s an aspect of what various people have said; that the most important difference between the far left and far right is that the former are marginalized, while the latter are in control of the Republicans. I do recall far left people demanding that the DSA support Putin and the invasion/genocide of Ukraine; the DSA just said “ha, no” and ignored them. And so the DSA went on their list of “fascist enemies of the left wing” (it’s a _long_ list). ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/99 "2024-08-08T18:01:18Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Definitely getting a “With friends like these…” vibe from the OP. The information came out a 13 hours ago ( and it’s probably in other threads by now ) but a new Marquette Law School Poll came out indicating that Harris was leading Chump by more than the margin for error. Evidently, the ketchup is on the wall but Mr. Clark doesn’t like it. ---
**Author:** ![veryfrank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/87869e/32.png) [@veryfrank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/veryfrank)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406/100 "2024-08-08T18:05:07Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > It’s an aspect of what various people have said; that the most important difference between the far left and far right is that the former are marginalized, while the latter are in control of the Republicans. I’ve been saying basically this for years. The worst sterotypes of the extreme left (granola-crunching, hug-a-criminal, free drugs for everyone) are limited in power to tie-died co-op boards. The worst stereotypes of the extreme right (reverse every bit of progress on civil rights, women back into the kitchen, corporations above citizens, arm everybody) have representatives in Congress. Anytime someone complains about the radical left pulling the strings of the Democratic Party, the false equivalency drives me nuts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-fucking-god-i-cannot-stand-the-far-left/1005406.md?page=6)