# Oh. My. God. This defies description. Bush/Cheney says that Kerry=Hitler. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 26, 2004, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264 "2004-06-26T01:31:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2004, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/61 "2004-06-26T10:01:01Z")
It was almost as shocking as this: [![](http://www.huppi.com/t/sameshitdifferentasshole.jpg) ](http://www.huppi.com/t/sameshitdifferentasshole.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2004, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/62 "2004-06-26T10:07:37Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > Funny, isn’t it? I have been persuaded that Bush is going the wrong way overall, but that doesn’t mean that I’ve gone over to the dark side. It just means that I have a mind and the integrity to change it. Clap Clap Clap! That took some courage and some thought, coming from someone (judging from your posts) right-leaning as yourself…kudos! I have asserted (maybe not here) that Bush isn’t even a good conservative; he just jacks up his base now and then to make it seem that way. Anyway, sorry for the sidetrack…in reference to the subject at hand, I tend to agree with **Jonathan Chance** in that they are just burning in a simple symbolic negative image (Hitler) to associate with Kerry. There’s no factual basis, of course (see Saddam & 9/11 references), but the image gets planted, and people who don’t think about it too much (like, oh, 90% of the electorate) will perhaps be influenced by that. Another thing that ties into this is the whole Cheney “fuck yourself” thing. IMHO, that was no accident or “poor choice of words”. It was intended to jack up their (angry white man) base. I can see Joe Six-pack seeing that on TV and thinking “now there’s a real guy with balls - he just told that liberal faggot to go fuck himself!” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2004, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/63 "2004-06-26T11:23:21Z")
> [@Bill H.](#): > > **MsRobyn** , now that your mistaken understanding has been cleared up, I’m sure you’ll be good enough to send the Bush/Cheney campaign an apology, yes? No. I stand by my original e-mail. I now understand that this was a ham-handed attempt at evoking the [moveon.org](http://moveon.org) Bush-equals-Hitler controversy. However, it’s too much like being at a party where someone is cracking jokes about something that none of the other partygoers are privy to. I did not see the [moveon.org](http://moveon.org) ad and was not familiar with the controversy until it was brought up in this thread. I can only assume that most Americans didn’t see the [moveon.org](http://moveon.org) ad, either, and would naturally come to the same conclusions. Robin ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2004, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/64 "2004-06-26T11:24:17Z")
That was me, and not Airman. My opinions are mine, and his are his. Robin ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Rieux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Dr.Rieux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Rieux)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2004, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/65 "2004-06-26T14:03:12Z")
A current Bush ad ends with, “Pessimism never created a single job.” How do they come up with this crap? ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2004, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/66 "2004-06-26T14:27:26Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Congratulations. We are out of toaster ovens at the moment, can you take a raincheck? Darn homosexuals. Ever since the whole gay marriage being legal in Massachusetts thing, there’s been a run on toasters and none left for anyone else’s recruiting efforts. ---
**Author:** ![Brainiac4](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brainiac4/32/3534_2.png) [@Brainiac4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brainiac4)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2004, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/67 "2004-06-26T14:48:24Z")
> [@manhattan](#): > > Shit, you’re stupid. The ad was an attempt to point out that it is the _Democrats_, not the Republicans, who are making comparisons to Hitler. And today, almost as if on cue, Al Gore did exactly that. Essentially he turned a poor ad, worthy of criticism, into something suddenly relevant and factually correct. :dubious: Tell ya what. Why don’t you try reading what I said, instead of acting like a reactionary kneejerk conservative dickhead? \*The situations aren’t comparable. \* The campaign site uses Hitler imagery, a member of the opposing party uses Nazi imagery. I’ll spell it out for you, in case your disability prevents you from reading long sentences: campaign site != member of opposing party And may I just say that I am _so_ glad you are no longer a mod. Not because you’re conservative, but because you’re an ass. ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2004, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/68 "2004-06-26T16:12:22Z")
> [@Brainiac4](#): > > Tell ya what. Why don’t you try reading what I said, instead of acting like a reactionary kneejerk conservative dickhead? \*The situations aren’t comparable. \* The campaign site uses Hitler imagery, a member of the opposing party uses Nazi imagery. Yes, that’s exactly right. The situations are not comparable. The campaign site did not compare the opposition to Nazis. The former _Vice President of the fuggin United States and Democratic candidate for President and still major figure in the party_ did compare the opposition to Nazis. The former is a dumb fuckup; the latter is far worse **and** had the unintentional consequence of making the dumb fuckup less dumb. Hope that helps. > [@](#): > > And may I just say that I am _so_ glad you are no longer a mod. Not because you’re conservative, but because you’re an ass. And in turn may i just say that I am glad you are on this website. Because you sure do have an awful lot of ignorance to be fought. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2004, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/69 "2004-06-26T16:32:05Z")
We Agree, It’s Disgusting Dear Simon, On Thursday, the campaign launched a web video titled Kerry’s Coalition of the Wild-eyed. The video featured Democrats who support John Kerry making negative and baseless attacks against the President. Interspersed in the video were segments of two ads that appeared on a website sponsored by [MoveOn.org](http://MoveOn.org) - a group campaigning for Kerry - in January. On Friday night, John Kerry’s campaign denounced our use of these ads, and called that use “disgusting.” The Kerry campaign says, “The use of Adolf Hitler by any campaign, politician or party is simply wrong.” We agree. These ads, like much of the hate-filled, angry rhetoric of Kerry’s coalition of the Wild-eyed, are disgusting. Where was John Kerry’s disgust when he hired Zack Exley - the man responsible for encouraging the production of these ads as part of a MoveOn contest - to run the Kerry campaign’s internet operation? Where was John Kerry’s sense of outrage when Al Gore, just yesterday afternoon, compared the Bush Administration to the Nazis saying, “The Administration works closely with a network of ‘rapid response’ digital Brown Shirts who work to pressure reporters and their editors for ‘undermining support for our troops.’” Where was John Kerry’s anger when Al Gore in May spoke of “Bush’s Gulag”? Why has John Kerry not denounced billionaire and Democrat Party donor George Soros for comparing the Bush Administration to Nazis. Soros stated, “When I hear Bush say, ‘You’re either with us or against us,’ it reminds me of the Germans. It conjures up memories of Nazi slogans on the walls, Der Feind Hort mit (‘The enemy is listening’).” Why has Kerry not spoken out against filmmaker Michael Moore who last October compared the Patriot Act to Mein Kampf. “The Patriot Act is the first step. ‘Mein Kampf’ - ‘Mein Kampf’ was written long before Hitler came to power.” We created this web video to show the depths to which these Kerry supporters will sink to win in November. Is this the Democratic Party of Franklin Delano Roosevelt who reassured his countrymen we have nothing to fear but fear itself? No. This is John Kerry’s Coalition of the Wild-eyed, who have nothing to offer but fear-mongering. Sincerely, Ken Mehlman Campaign Manager ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2004, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/70 "2004-06-26T16:57:38Z")
> [@](#): > > …Where was John Kerry’s disgust when he hired Zack Exley - the man responsible for encouraging the production of these ads as part of a MoveOn contest - to run the Kerry campaign’s internet operation?.. This is droll. Note the artful wording. Mr. Exley is not responsible for the ads, or the content of the ads, or even the production of the ads. He is guilty of the dastardly crime of _encouraging the production_ of these ads. And how did he manifest this encouragement? Is there any record of him suggesting themes for contestants? Or of suggesting imagery for maximum scurillous impact? How, precisely, did he go about this “encouragement”? > [@](#): > > …Is this the Democratic Party of Franklin Delano Roosevelt who reassured his countrymen we have nothing to fear but fear itself?.. Mr. Roosevelt was wrong. We need, most definitely, to fear such men as would stoke and exploit our fears to their own ends. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2004, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/71 "2004-06-26T17:22:40Z")
Wow. I think they should leave it there. I think it is more damaging to Bush than Kerry, from several points of view. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2004, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/72 "2004-06-26T17:32:18Z")
Doper Watching Field Notes: Today, a rare sighting, the Ruby Throated, Full Breasted **Stoidbird** , far too uncommon in this habitat. Regretably, unable to record her song, which, I am given to understand, bears a striking resemblance to _The Internationale_ ---
**Author:** ![Brainiac4](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brainiac4/32/3534_2.png) [@Brainiac4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brainiac4)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2004, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/73 "2004-06-26T17:34:14Z")
> [@manhattan](#): > > Yes, that’s exactly right. The situations are not comparable. The campaign site did not compare the opposition to Nazis. Correct, although the ad did give at least some people (including former Bush supporters) that idea. But they did use Hitler imagery in an ad. > [@manhattan](#): > > The former _Vice President of the fuggin United States and Democratic candidate for President and still major figure in the party_ did compare the opposition to Nazis. Yep. He sure did. Now, back at our regularly scheduled logical argumentation class… Are you even paying attention? Al Gore != Kerry campaign Al Gore != Democratic Party However, [www.georgewbush.com](http://www.georgewbush.com) = Bush campaign The situations are not comparable. Further, the response you suggest is not comparable. remove this message and do not use it again != keep this man away from your convention as he has used bad messages > [@manhattan](#): > > And in turn may i just say that I am glad you are on this website. Because you sure do have an awful lot of ignorance to be fought. And of course, the best way to fight my ignorance is… > [@manhattan](#): > > Shit, you’re stupid. :rolleyes: Look, non-rational arguments do not win people over to your side. If you want to be marginalized as a bile-spewing asshat, then hey, go ahead. But if you want to be taken seriously, then seriously consider taking a look at both the style and content of your posts. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2004, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/74 "2004-06-26T17:45:48Z")
I do hope that Leftistas who consider Brainiac4’s argument to be logical support such things as soft money campaign contributions since Christian Coalition != Republican Party. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2004, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/75 "2004-06-26T17:52:13Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > I’m still waiting for the punchline, what exactly is the difference, right now, today? About the same as the GOP and the 700 Club. Certainly there is a lot of overlap between Moveon’s membership and Democrats. There is a lot of overlap between the GOP membership and the more wacko fundie organizations. But one does not mean the other. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2004, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/76 "2004-06-26T18:07:20Z")
Wow, you’d have to be a complete idiot to see this add as comparing Kerry to Hitler. In fact, if you’re confused about the [moveon.org](http://moveon.org) ad, it looks like this one is comparing \*\*Bush \*\* to Hitler. It’s clear that a major theme of the Bush campaign is that that he represents an optimistic view of America and Kerry represents a pessimistic one. You may agree or disagree with that, but all this ad does is give a few snippets to back up Bush’s claim. I can’t find anything at all in this ad that is any more manipulative than what is seen in pretty much every political ad out there. ---
**Author:** ![Brainiac4](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brainiac4/32/3534_2.png) [@Brainiac4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brainiac4)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2004, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/77 "2004-06-26T18:19:41Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I do hope that Leftistas who consider Brainiac4’s argument to be logical support such things as soft money campaign contributions since Christian Coalition != Republican Party. How the hell do you get there from what I am saying? That’s quite a logical leap. Is it purely a slippery-slope argument, or did you see something in what I posted that leads you to this conclusion? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2004, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/78 "2004-06-26T19:24:24Z")
What are you, dishonest or blind? You said that because “Al Gore != Democratic Party”, the situations are not comparable. If you hold that Leftist leaders do not speak for the Democratic Party, then you cannot hold that Rightist leaders speak for the Republican Party. And you had the nerve to taunt someone about rationality. ---
**Author:** ![Lilairen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8491ac/32.png) [@Lilairen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lilairen)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2004, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/79 "2004-06-26T21:08:21Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Wow. > > I think they should leave it there. I think it is more damaging to Bush than Kerry, from several points of view. Heh. The response in my social circle has been something along the lines of, “. . . am I just completely out of touch here, or did the Bush campaign just pay the big bucks for 45 seconds of people saying what a bad job he’s doing?” With a minor leavening of, “I kept clicking the links expecting to get to The Onion or MoveOn!” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2004, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/80 "2004-06-26T21:16:57Z")
Oh, I dunno. Seems to me that Al Gore is free to be so vociferous precisely because he _isn’t_ the acknowledged leader of the Party. How often do they rush to quote “Fightin’ Joe” Lieberman in shock and horror, isn’t he the secondary leader, if Gore is the primary? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264.md?page=5)