# Oh. My. God. This defies description. Bush/Cheney says that Kerry=Hitler. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 26, 2004, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264 "2004-06-26T01:31:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2004, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/141 "2004-06-28T07:11:30Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > I’m a wild eyed leftie and I say let them go for it. Ain’t nobody listening but the choir anyway. Holy shit! I agree with \*\*Reeder \*\* on a point! The world will end in about 2 weeks 😉 ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2004, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/142 "2004-06-28T09:43:30Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > What **Apos** said. > > Doesn’t matter what the Dems did, because I didn’t see it. Had I seen it, I would’ve complained. I didn’t see the Dems’ ad, but I did see the Republican ad. > > So take Apos’ advice and shut the fuck up. > > Robin FUCK! Funds for the “Get Airman and MsRobyn Windows XP Fund” are gratefully accepted. Robin ---
**Author:** ![UselessGit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/74df32/32.png) [@UselessGit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UselessGit)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2004, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/143 "2004-06-28T10:48:38Z")
> [@SimonX](#): > > That being said, I’ve often wondered what went on in the popular culture of immediately pre-Nazi Germany and during the subsequent rise to prominence of the Nazis. How did the average Hans justify what to himself and others? What was the rationale that sold the push to Empire? Did the average person realize what they were getting their country into? > I wonder what it must’ve looked like to those on the inside. How does one recognize such things? Apparently you can’t. 😛 But, seriously, and pardon the hijack, I (being a stupid foreigner) was not aware that [Moveon.org](http://Moveon.org) was a bunch of nutjobs who work for Kerry. I’ve seen their documentary (‘Truth uncovered’, I think) and found it very professional and, well, good. What’s the connection between Moveon and Kerry and how are they distorting the truth? I’m asking here because some of you good people seem to know a lot more than me about [Moveon.org](http://Moveon.org). FWIW, of course I think all comparisons to the Nazi regime are asinine and using them can only harm your cause. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2004, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/144 "2004-06-28T11:00:26Z")
One connection is Zack Exley, who had worked for MoveOn’s political action committee as Director of Special Projects until he was hired by Kerry this spring as his campaign’s Director of Online Communications and Organization. ---
**Author:** ![Avumede](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/avumede/32/7235_2.png) [@Avumede](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avumede)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2004, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/145 "2004-06-28T15:01:15Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Because, at best it’s silly and impossible to take seriously and at worst it’s a grave insult. > > The Nazi regime was one of the most hideous in recent history (if not ALL of history!), and to compare things like gun control or the Patriot act to Nazism is absurd. (That’s NOT to say that there aren’t abuses of our rights with either-there are. But nowhere NEAR as bad as the Nazis). > > You won’t be taken seriously, and you cheapen the analogy. So who’s it a grave insult to? People like Soros, who actually survived the Holocaust? There’s a difference here that I think people are glossing over. It’s NOT ok to use a highly charged word like Nazi or Hitler to demonize your opponent (brownshirt is offensive too, I realize, but not as much). However, comparisons with the kind of fascism that Germany suffered from are legitimate points, and ones we should always be thinking about. I’m sure we could all agree that if we were sliding towards a society like fascist Germany, it would be perfectly OK to point that out. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2004, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/146 "2004-06-28T15:05:13Z")
> [@MsRobyn](#): > > FUCK! > > Funds for the “Get Airman and MsRobyn Windows XP Fund” are gratefully accepted. > > Robin Sorry, I’ve already contributed to the “Turn Airman into a liberal” fund. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![chique](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@chique](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chique)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2004, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/147 "2004-06-28T18:01:34Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > First of all, I haven’t done so, Manhattan did, I figured that since you seemed dead set on arguing with him, you would want to be arguing with what he actually said. > > Second, Al Gore is far more than “some guy who used to be a politician”, I daresay he has more “face” recognition in America as a prominent Democrat than even John Kerry; to claim that because he’s not the candidate or an official part of the Kerry campaign his remarks are meaningless in the context of the Democratic Party is disingeneous to a degree that would make even Karl Rove raise an eyebrow. First of all…You as in “one”, not you as in YOU. Sorry about that…I usually know better. Second of all…Rove can raise both of his eyebrows for all I care. Gore isn’t running for president this year. Bush is. Had Gore run a similar ad four years ago, or if Kerry ran a similar ad this year, I’d be all over it. Neither Gore nor Kerry, however, have run an ad comparing their opponents to Hitler. Bush did. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2004, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/148 "2004-06-28T18:21:07Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > Sorry, I’ve already contributed to the “Turn Airman into a liberal” fund. 😃 No need. He has an open mind and an articulate wife. His doom is sealed. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2004, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/149 "2004-06-28T18:46:10Z")
> [@chique](#): > > Second of all…Rove can raise both of his eyebrows for all I care. Gore isn’t running for president this year. Bush is. Had Gore run a similar ad four years ago, or if Kerry ran a similar ad this year, I’d be all over it. Neither Gore nor Kerry, however, have run an ad comparing their opponents to Hitler. Bush did. Again, the eyebrow raising statement is that Al Gore is “Some guy who used to be a politition”. He is far more than that to the Dems. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2004, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/150 "2004-06-28T18:48:21Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > No need. He has an open mind and an articulate wife. The first assertion remains in dispute, yer honor. The guy’s too chickenshit to go see **Fahrenheit 9/11,** after all. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![chique](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@chique](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chique)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2004, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/151 "2004-06-28T19:04:23Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Again, the eyebrow raising statement is that Al Gore is “Some guy who used to be a politition”. He is far more than that to the Dems. But he is still not running for president, and he still did not run an ad comparing his opponents to Hitler. Bush is, and Bush did. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2004, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/152 "2004-06-28T19:15:22Z")
> [@chique](#): > > But he is still not running for president, and he still did not run an ad comparing his opponents to Hitler. Bush is, and Bush did. So? When have I even mentioned the ads? ( And that’s not what the ad did, anyway, but I know that is a totally useless thing to point out on these boards where Bush is generally assumed to be the next coming of Uncle Adolf anyway) I mearly pointed out that your calling Gore “some guy etc…” is misleading, disingenious and stupid. He’s stumping for Kerry, and to claim the Democrats needen’t be held acountable for what he says because he “used to be a polititian” and does not officially represent the Kerry campaign is playing the dishonest technicality game. The Dems are quick to jump all over the Pubbies when they do it, they shouldn’t get a pass when they do it themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2004, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/153 "2004-06-28T19:26:25Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > The first assertion remains in dispute, yer honor. The guy’s too chickenshit to go see **Fahrenheit 9/11,** after all. 😉 I don’t believe it’s a matter of chickenshit. I believe he doesn’t want to give Moore any of his money, which is his privilege. I believe this because he said he’d go if I paid for it. I mailed the check this morning. I’ll be very interested in his reaction to the movie, because though **Airman** is stubborn as hell, he’s not an idiot. Either way, for or against, his thoughts are going to be, well, interesting. ---
**Author:** ![SnakeSpirit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snakespirit/32/7271_2.png) [@SnakeSpirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakeSpirit)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2004, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/154 "2004-06-28T19:41:25Z")
> [@chique](#): > > But he is still not running for president, and he still did not run an ad comparing his opponents to Hitler. Bush is, and Bush did. Right… That’s what the current Democratic Party is claiming in THEIR ads now… I have already received TWO (2) such allegations in SPAM from the Kerry campaign and the DNC vehicle, saying, “Titled “The Faces of John Kerry’s Democratic Party,” the ad features Adolf Hitler alongside Democrats, including John Kerry. President Bush’s campaign has relied on negative attacks against Kerry, but this is a new low.” The ad is an obvious attempt to compare Bush with Hitler, not democrats… I refuse to believe they are stupid enough to make that mistake, and must count this as _deliberate deception_ on the part of the Democratic Party machine. Of course, I’m getting accustomed to associating “lying” with “democrats” lately. A letter I recently got from Ted Kennedy had so many falsehoods in it I had a hard time believing they would even print such a thing! This is going to be a dirty campaign… ---
**Author:** ![zoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/71c47a/32.png) [@zoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoo)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2004, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/155 "2004-06-28T20:49:16Z")
If the message of this ad is so obvious, why did the WH need to issue a disclaimer? ---
**Author:** ![SnakeSpirit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snakespirit/32/7271_2.png) [@SnakeSpirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakeSpirit)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2004, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/156 "2004-06-28T21:41:53Z")
> [@zoo](#): > > If the message of this ad is so obvious, why did the WH need to issue a disclaimer? Is [this](http://www.georgewbush.com/blog/) what you mean by a disclaimer? Since it changes so often (I can’t find the original clip now), maybe I’d better quote it. > [@](#): > > We Agree, It’s Disgusting > > On Thursday, the campaign launched a web video titled Kerry’s Coalition of the Wild-eyed. The video featured Democrats who support John Kerry making negative and baseless attacks against the President. Interspersed in the video were segments of two ads that appeared on a website sponsored by [MoveOn.org](http://MoveOn.org) - a group campaigning for Kerry - in January. > > On Friday night, John Kerry’s campaign denounced our use of these ads, and called that use “disgusting.” > > The Kerry campaign says, “The use of Adolf Hitler by any campaign, politician or party is simply wrong.” We agree. > > Where was John Kerry’s disgust when he hired Zack Exley - the man responsible for encouraging the production of these ads as part of a MoveOn contest - to run the Kerry campaign’s internet operation? > > Where was John Kerry’s sense of outrage when Al Gore, just Thursday afternoon, compared the Bush Administration to the Nazis saying, “The Administration works closely with a network of ‘rapid response’ digital Brown Shirts who work to pressure reporters and their editors for ‘undermining support for our troops.’” > > Where was John Kerry’s anger when Al Gore in May spoke of “Bush’s Gulag”? > > Why has John Kerry not denounced billionaire and Democrat Party donor George Soros for comparing the Bush Administration to Nazis. Soros stated, “When I hear Bush say, ‘You’re either with us or against us,’ it reminds me of the Germans. It conjures up memories of Nazi slogans on the walls, Der Feind Hort mit (‘The enemy is listening’).” > > Why has Kerry not spoken out against filmmaker Michael Moore who last October compared the Patriot Act to Mein Kampf. “The Patriot Act is the first step. ‘Mein Kampf’ - ‘Mein Kampf’ was written long before Hitler came to power.” > > We created this web video to show the depths to which these Kerry supporters will sink to win in November. > > Is this the Democratic Party of Franklin Delano Roosevelt who reassured his countrymen we have nothing to fear but fear itself? > > No. This is John Kerry’s Coalition of the Wild-eyed, who have nothing to offer but fear-mongering. > > Posted by Ken Mehlman at 01:21 PM Or are you referring to something else? Please reference your statements! ---
**Author:** ![SnakeSpirit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snakespirit/32/7271_2.png) [@SnakeSpirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakeSpirit)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2004, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/157 "2004-06-28T21:59:12Z")
> [@zoo](#): > > If the message of this ad is so obvious, why did the WH need to issue a disclaimer? Found the vid clip again, watched it again, still can’t see how it compares democrats to Hitler, especially when the offending photo of Hitler with his arm raised is immediately followed by a photo of GWB with his arm raised… Right. That’s comparing democrats with Hitler… we all know GWB is a closet democrat. Where do you get those kerry-colored glasses? I need to get me some of those. Maybe it’s only obvious to people who know how to be objective! ---
**Author:** ![chique](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@chique](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chique)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2004, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/158 "2004-06-28T23:09:46Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > So? When have I even mentioned the ads? . Well…why didn’t you? That **is** what this thread is about, after all. And, yes, Gore is more than “some guy”, but he isn’t running for president. Bush is, and Bush’s campaign has an ad featuring Hitler, a few Democrats, and an “optimistic” President Bush on its website. I’ll leave it to the reader, but I’m sure than nowhere amongst the 29 ads on the right side of [this page](http://www.johnkerry.com/videos/) will one find a video that includes Hitler. Please do let me know if such a thing exists. ---
**Author:** ![chique](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@chique](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chique)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2004, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/159 "2004-06-28T23:11:46Z")
> [@Snakespirit](#): > > Found the vid clip again, watched it again, still can’t see how it compares democrats to Hitler, especially when the offending photo of Hitler with his arm raised is immediately followed by a photo of GWB with his arm raised… > Right. That’s comparing democrats with Hitler… we all know GWB is a closet democrat. > > Where do you get those kerry-colored glasses? I need to get me some of those. > > Maybe it’s only obvious to people who know how to be objective! Are you trying to say that it’s perfectly respectable for a mainstream presidential candidate to feature one of the worst perpetrators of genocide in a campaign ad? It really sounds like you’re trying to somehow excuse it. Why is that? ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2004, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264/160 "2004-06-29T00:47:38Z")
I think the guys at [slate.com](http://slate.com) sum it all up pretty well: [http://slate.msn.com/id/2103033/](http://slate.msn.com/id/2103033/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-my-god-this-defies-description-bush-cheney-says-that-kerry-hitler/252264.md?page=9)