# Oh, no! Obama Imposes One-World Gov't On US!!1! (Interpol Exec order) **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 30, 2009, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-no-obama-imposes-one-world-govt-on-us-1-interpol-exec-order/523079 "2009-12-30T19:53:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-no-obama-imposes-one-world-govt-on-us-1-interpol-exec-order/523079/41 "2009-12-31T17:39:12Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Obama Messiah = Bush Messenger of God Point of order. Obama never claimed to be the messiah; Bush did claim that God told him to run. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-no-obama-imposes-one-world-govt-on-us-1-interpol-exec-order/523079/42 "2009-12-31T17:44:56Z")
Like I said before, the specifics are different but the tone is there. I think a comparison could fairly be made between the birther protests and the TANG controversy, especially when you consider the Dan Rather-Mary Mapes actions in 2004. And there were certainly others - you didn’t need to be a Bush supporter to note that some of his enemies were, frankly, nuts. The same can be said of President Obama and his enemies. And while it shouldn’t need to be said that none of this exempts either man from honest criticism - that seems to be the attitude taken by some in this thread (like **Whack-a-Mole** and **YogSosoth** ), who would dismiss any criticism of Obama as just extreme right-wing muttering. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2009, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-no-obama-imposes-one-world-govt-on-us-1-interpol-exec-order/523079/43 "2009-12-31T17:58:52Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > And there were certainly others - you didn’t need to be a Bush supporter to note that some of his enemies were, frankly, nuts. The same can be said of President Obama and his enemies. And while it shouldn’t need to be said that none of this exempts either man from honest criticism - that seems to be the attitude taken by some in this thread (like **Whack-a-Mole** and **YogSosoth** ), who would dismiss any criticism of Obama as just extreme right-wing muttering. Honest criticism is fine. Great even. If you dislike a policy of Obama’s by all means criticize it on its merits. I have zero problem with that and actually think it is healthy to engage in those debates. I also agree that there are wingnuts on both sides. I’ll call out lefty wingnuts as readily as righty wingnuts. If someone starts going on here about how (say) Bush & Co. used a controlled demolition of the Twin Towers you’ll see me opposed to them and defending Bush on that count (probably has happened on this Board somewhere if you feel like looking). That said the conservatives have outdone themselves. Not only in the sheer volume of dumbass criticism but also in its sheer lunacy. Worse, the “wingnuts” are not on the “wings”. The right fringe is now front and center. They are IN Congress and blathering the same bullshit of the fringe (death panels, Obama is not a citizen to name two that are in the official legislative record). So I stand by there being a HUGE difference in the opposition leveled at Bush and Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2009, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-no-obama-imposes-one-world-govt-on-us-1-interpol-exec-order/523079/44 "2009-12-31T18:15:07Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Point of order. Obama never claimed to be the messiah; Bush did claim that God told him to run. True or not, that’s not a “point of order.” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-no-obama-imposes-one-world-govt-on-us-1-interpol-exec-order/523079/45 "2009-12-31T18:29:50Z")
Sung to the tune of _The Pink Panther_: “Pedant, pedant. Pedant pedant pedant…” ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2009, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-no-obama-imposes-one-world-govt-on-us-1-interpol-exec-order/523079/46 "2009-12-31T20:38:48Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > True or not, that’s not a “point of order.” Well, God says it IS! ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2009, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-no-obama-imposes-one-world-govt-on-us-1-interpol-exec-order/523079/47 "2009-12-31T20:49:15Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > I just want to point out that we generally would have similar “debates” here anytime Bush drafted an executive order or law - however innocuous. And while many posters across the spectrum would hash out the fine points in a calm manner there would be a share of nutcases not amenable to reason. > > [Just a single example./](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=421759) Those are not close to equal. You are far too defensive. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2009, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-no-obama-imposes-one-world-govt-on-us-1-interpol-exec-order/523079/48 "2009-12-31T21:07:35Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Watch Maddow regularly (her show downloads to my iPhone and I watch it while commuting). > > You seem to be saying that disagreeing with someone is the same no matter who is doing it or what they are disagreeing about. By that simple measure then sure…they are similar. > > The devil is in the details though. Anti-Bush people were pissed about things like starting an unnecessary war or torturing people as a matter of policy. Anti-Obama people are on about him being a Manchurian Candidate and making Interpol our new sekkrit overlords. And anti-Bush people called him a Manchurian candidate for a Neo-Conservative new world order. SSDD. > [@](#): > > Hardly the same thing at all. It’s much the same. Rehashed, recycled. > [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Point of order. Obama never claimed to be the messiah; Bush did claim that God told him to run. Yes, but I’m not talking about what Obama and Bush say, I am talking about what their detractors say about them. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2009, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-no-obama-imposes-one-world-govt-on-us-1-interpol-exec-order/523079/49 "2009-12-31T21:18:46Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > And anti-Bush people called him a Manchurian candidate for a Neo-Conservative new world order. SSDD. Your example is a turn of phrase. For Obama they were literally making that claim (if not using those exact words). Unless I missed the part where some in Congress wrote a letter to Bush asking him to provide his birth certificate to prove he is actually a US citizen. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2009, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-no-obama-imposes-one-world-govt-on-us-1-interpol-exec-order/523079/50 "2009-12-31T21:23:15Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Your example is a turn of phrase. For Obama they were literally making that claim (if not using those exact words). > > Unless I missed the part where some in Congress wrote a letter to Bush asking him to provide his birth certificate to prove he is actually a US citizen. Oh I see, so unless Bush IS Barack Obama you cannot see a similarity. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2009, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-no-obama-imposes-one-world-govt-on-us-1-interpol-exec-order/523079/51 "2009-12-31T21:39:30Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Oh I see, so unless Bush IS Barack Obama you cannot see a similarity. Huh? Some wingnuts call Bush a Manchurian Candidate trying to usher in some neo-con NWO. Some congresscritters send a letter to Obama demanding he produce his birth certificate (and also propose a Bill to demand presidential candidates produce a birth certificate). These two things are not the same. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2010, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-no-obama-imposes-one-world-govt-on-us-1-interpol-exec-order/523079/52 "2010-01-01T01:16:15Z")
It seems to me that the original question has been answered spawning a run of fish puns, but has now deteriorated into one more tiresome volley of “_our side is better than your side even when we are doing the same thing in the same way_.” Enough. Closed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-no-obama-imposes-one-world-govt-on-us-1-interpol-exec-order/523079.md?page=2)