# Oh NOEZ!!!1!!1! Obama to Give Socialist Indoctrination Talk to School Children!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 2, 2009, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-noez-1-1-obama-to-give-socialist-indoctrination-talk-to-school-children/508645 "2009-09-02T16:35:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-noez-1-1-obama-to-give-socialist-indoctrination-talk-to-school-children/508645/121 "2009-09-04T03:52:02Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Funny, I missed the memo about **Required Viewing of Our Leader’s Message**. Whether kids watch it or not it’s still a waste of time. OOOOOHH the President is going to speak. :rolleyes: I predict a huge upswing in cell tower use during the event. All but the lowest grades are going to zone out and start playing with their cell phones. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-noez-1-1-obama-to-give-socialist-indoctrination-talk-to-school-children/508645/122 "2009-09-04T03:55:21Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Whether kids watch it or not it’s still a waste of time. OOOOOHH the President is going to speek. :rolleyes: I predict a huge upswing in cell tower use during the event. All but the lowest grades are going to zone out and start playing with their cell phones. So? Students zone out in school all the time, but that doesn’t negate the fact that other students take advantage of the lessons being offered. **Silenus** is right. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-noez-1-1-obama-to-give-socialist-indoctrination-talk-to-school-children/508645/123 "2009-09-04T03:56:07Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Whether kids watch it or not it’s still a waste of time. OOOOOHH the President is going to speek. :rolleyes: I predict a huge upswing in cell tower use during the event. All but the lowest grades are going to zone out and start playing with their cell phones. Assuming the school allows cellphones, if you’re just going to assume they’ll “play with their cellphones” through this, why is any class of consequence? Do you think they’ll tune out the president but alive and alert for… english homework? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-noez-1-1-obama-to-give-socialist-indoctrination-talk-to-school-children/508645/124 "2009-09-04T04:00:20Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > **Magiver** , just to be clear, are you saying an in person presidential speech, with all the potential learning that could go with it, would have no possible benefit to those kids? Actually it appears I missread and this will be televised. I think my main point stands though. Current events ARE an important part of education. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-noez-1-1-obama-to-give-socialist-indoctrination-talk-to-school-children/508645/125 "2009-09-04T04:01:23Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > So? Students zone out in school all the time, but that doesn’t negate the fact that other students take advantage of the lessons being offered. > > **Silenus** is right. Great except they’re getting tested on the subject he’s pre-empting and not his cheerleading monologue. Waste of time. At least he’s not screwing over the networks who take a complete loss on the air time. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-noez-1-1-obama-to-give-socialist-indoctrination-talk-to-school-children/508645/126 "2009-09-04T04:03:10Z")
Yep, you’re an idiot. And not worth addressing anymore. Your “logic” is so alien to me that I honestly think that I’m a different species. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-noez-1-1-obama-to-give-socialist-indoctrination-talk-to-school-children/508645/127 "2009-09-04T04:06:55Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Assuming the school allows cellphones, if you’re just going to assume they’ll “play with their cellphones” through this, why is any class of consequence? Do you think they’ll tune out the president but alive and alert for… english homework? If they want to pass, yes. The speech reprsesents nothing on a test. They might as well broadcast a test pattern. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-noez-1-1-obama-to-give-socialist-indoctrination-talk-to-school-children/508645/128 "2009-09-04T04:06:57Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Great except they’re getting tested on the subject he’s pre-empting and not his cheerleading monologue. So do you think current events have no educational value? ---
**Author:** ![wierdaaron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eada6e/32.png) [@wierdaaron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wierdaaron)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-noez-1-1-obama-to-give-socialist-indoctrination-talk-to-school-children/508645/129 "2009-09-04T04:07:14Z")
I agree with all above that this outrage is some kind of tipping point for conservative wingbatery. I could take the town halls and birth certificates and the antichrist allegations, but [this](http://snapplr.com/zqmz) is just completely ridiculous beyond anything I could ever imagine. I don’t see how this is ever going to stop. This outrage would be something we’d have made up a month ago as a joke. “Them conservatives are so anti-Obama, if he gave a lecture to schoolkids about the importance of education, they’d be making Hitler Youth comparisons!” WOULDNT THAT BE FUNNY Somebody shoot me. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-noez-1-1-obama-to-give-socialist-indoctrination-talk-to-school-children/508645/130 "2009-09-04T04:09:32Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > So do you think current events have no educational value? What current event? Is the President landing on the moon? Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-noez-1-1-obama-to-give-socialist-indoctrination-talk-to-school-children/508645/131 "2009-09-04T04:09:59Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > If they want to pass, yes. The speech reprsesents nothing on a test. They might as well broadcast a test pattern. You know in school I learned many things that weren’t put under standardized tests, yet they were none the less valuable. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-noez-1-1-obama-to-give-socialist-indoctrination-talk-to-school-children/508645/132 "2009-09-04T04:11:26Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > You know in school I learned many things that weren’t put under standardized tests, yet they were none the less valuable. Well that’s a good thing. Really. Doesn’t answer my question though. What are the kids going to learn from this? ---
**Author:** ![wierdaaron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eada6e/32.png) [@wierdaaron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wierdaaron)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-noez-1-1-obama-to-give-socialist-indoctrination-talk-to-school-children/508645/133 "2009-09-04T04:12:34Z")
I couldn’t count the number of times in school when teachers were lazy and just put on a movie. For chrissakes. “They could be doing more important things! Like BRINGING MY MY COUNTRY BAAAAACK!” You people need to lock yourselves in a room and think about what your life amounts to. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-noez-1-1-obama-to-give-socialist-indoctrination-talk-to-school-children/508645/134 "2009-09-04T04:12:55Z")
Quick question-those posters asserting that there wasn’t a peep of protest wrt Bush Srs speech - do you have cites to that effect? Because news reports from that time I’ve found don’t indicate that at all. [Link.](http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=7LgSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=D_oDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7026,382785&dq=president+bush+broadcast+classroom) [Incidentally, this is the broadcast in question.](http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/research/public_papers.php?id=3450) Seems like a political dust up in both cases, so stands on high principle ring pretty hollow to me. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-noez-1-1-obama-to-give-socialist-indoctrination-talk-to-school-children/508645/135 "2009-09-04T04:15:46Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Well that’s a good thing. Really. Doesn’t answer my question though. What are the kids going to learn by this? So just to be clear, all I have to do is post the list of meaningful intended lessons from this and you’ll agree it isn’t a waste of time? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-noez-1-1-obama-to-give-socialist-indoctrination-talk-to-school-children/508645/136 "2009-09-04T04:18:32Z")
> [@wierdaaron](#): > > I couldn’t count the number of times in school when teachers were lazy and just put on a movie.. Went to public school didja? That’s sad. Even my public high school days weren’t that pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![wierdaaron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eada6e/32.png) [@wierdaaron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wierdaaron)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-noez-1-1-obama-to-give-socialist-indoctrination-talk-to-school-children/508645/137 "2009-09-04T04:18:52Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > [Link.](http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=7LgSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=D_oDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7026,382785&dq=president+bush+broadcast+classroom) That _is_ shocking. Eddie Bauer dresses for just $19.99?! ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-noez-1-1-obama-to-give-socialist-indoctrination-talk-to-school-children/508645/138 "2009-09-04T04:19:58Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > [Link.](http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=7LgSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=D_oDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7026,382785&dq=president+bush+broadcast+classroom) Damn, textured plush or Berber for only $9.99 a square yard! That’s an _insane_ deal! Good catch on the griping though. Did Bush ever pay back the $27K in taxpayer funds? ---
**Author:** ![wierdaaron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eada6e/32.png) [@wierdaaron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wierdaaron)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-noez-1-1-obama-to-give-socialist-indoctrination-talk-to-school-children/508645/139 "2009-09-04T04:21:03Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Went to public school didja? No. > [@Magiver](#): > > That’s sad. Even my public high school days weren’t that pathetic. Gosh, maybe someone in charge should do some kind of address straight to the kids to get them interested in learning and such. Nah, he’d probably be too tempted to enchant them all with his Dark People magic spells. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-noez-1-1-obama-to-give-socialist-indoctrination-talk-to-school-children/508645/140 "2009-09-04T04:21:27Z")
Well, I’m making my seniors watch and critique the speech. That makes it a valid exercise in **American Government**. They also critique the message, so that’s **Civics**. We’ll probably spin off a discussion on UHC, so that’s **Economics.** Toss in a bit of **American History** and the **compositional skills** necessary to write an essay critiquing the speech and I’d call it 20 minutes well spent from a curricular POV. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-noez-1-1-obama-to-give-socialist-indoctrination-talk-to-school-children/508645.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-noez-1-1-obama-to-give-socialist-indoctrination-talk-to-school-children/508645.md?page=8)