# Oh poor George (Cardinal Pell)...might have been easier to come home!
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-poor-george-cardinal-pell-might-have-been-easier-to-come-home/746315
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [February 17, 2016, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-poor-george-cardinal-pell-might-have-been-easier-to-come-home/746315 "2016-02-17T03:42:16Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)
#### Post date: [December 13, 2018, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-poor-george-cardinal-pell-might-have-been-easier-to-come-home/746315/401 "2018-12-13T17:37:24Z")
Why can’t they report it in Australia? I should think they’d be dancing in the streets!
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### Author:  [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)
#### Post date: [December 13, 2018, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-poor-george-cardinal-pell-might-have-been-easier-to-come-home/746315/402 "2018-12-13T18:40:20Z")
[Other thread.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=784318)
As to why a media gag? Pell has some other charges pending and the court was hoping to avoid publicity in order to ensure a fair trial. Seems totally insane when a quick google brings up umpteen stories from international media sites.
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### Author:  [@Thylacine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thylacine)
#### Post date: [December 13, 2018, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-poor-george-cardinal-pell-might-have-been-easier-to-come-home/746315/403 "2018-12-13T18:43:31Z")
He has very expensive lawyers who argued it would taint the jury pool for the next case against him. Everybody knows, it is only the media banned from talking about it, the rest of us are jabbering on fine.
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [December 13, 2018, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-poor-george-cardinal-pell-might-have-been-easier-to-come-home/746315/404 "2018-12-13T19:27:41Z")
[Moderating]
There’s a new thread on the issue of Cardinal Pell’s conviction [over here.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=867156) Since this thread is long and old, and in the interest of not having discussion of this issue fractured across two threads, I’m closing this one.
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### Author:  [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)
#### Post date: [December 13, 2018, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-poor-george-cardinal-pell-might-have-been-easier-to-come-home/746315/405 "2018-12-13T19:49:35Z")
[Actually it was the prosecution requesting the ban](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/may/15/prosecutors-seek-ban-on-reporting-of-george-pell-trials).
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> Victoria’s director of public prosecutions makes application to prevent any potential risk of prejudice during proceedings
Barn doors and horses notwithstanding.
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### Author:  [@Thylacine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thylacine)
#### Post date: [December 13, 2018, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-poor-george-cardinal-pell-might-have-been-easier-to-come-home/746315/406 "2018-12-13T20:10:14Z")
Thanks, I should have paid more attention whilst dancing about 🙂
That man made my young queer life much harder than it should have been by encouraging discrimination every chance he got.
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### Author:  [@Krav\_Manga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krav_Manga)
#### Post date: [December 14, 2018, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-poor-george-cardinal-pell-might-have-been-easier-to-come-home/746315/407 "2018-12-14T06:11:53Z")
> [@Thylacine](#):
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> He has very expensive lawyers who argued it would taint the jury pool for the next case against him. Everybody knows, it is only the media banned from talking about it, the rest of us are jabbering on fine.
I believe it would have been the Crown arguing for the injunction. Which reduces the chances of his very expensive lawyers arguing your point on appeal.
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### Author:  [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)
#### Post date: [December 14, 2018, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-poor-george-cardinal-pell-might-have-been-easier-to-come-home/746315/408 "2018-12-14T08:44:24Z")
Tabloid news here in Aus tonight had reporters following Pell into a hospital, asking why he had been removed from the Pope’s ‘Inner Circle’. :rolleyes:
We can’t be allowed to see the news of his convictions, but we can sidle right up to the edge. What a load of utter bullshit.
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [December 14, 2018, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-poor-george-cardinal-pell-might-have-been-easier-to-come-home/746315/409 "2018-12-14T19:19:22Z")
> [@Miller](#):
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> [Moderating]
> There’s a new thread on the issue of Cardinal Pell’s conviction [over here.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=867156) Since this thread is long and old, and in the interest of not having discussion of this issue fractured across two threads, I’m closing this one.
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[Moderating]
I got talked into reopening this thread, and merging the other one into it. The OP from the merged thread is now post 399 in this thread.
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### Author:  [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)
#### Post date: [December 14, 2018, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-poor-george-cardinal-pell-might-have-been-easier-to-come-home/746315/410 "2018-12-14T19:31:55Z")
Thank you, **Miller**.
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### Author:  [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2018, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-poor-george-cardinal-pell-might-have-been-easier-to-come-home/746315/411 "2018-12-17T02:28:22Z")
> [@coremelt](#):
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> Maybe, but thats exactly the point of this, put enough pressure on the rest of the vatican that they expel him. Stop giving him a cushy job, stop paying his legal fees. Let him face the court system exactly as any ordinary person would. Even if Pell is completely amoral then there should be some people in the vatican hierarchy who can exert some not so gentle pressure.
… render unto Caesar …
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### Author:  [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2018, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-poor-george-cardinal-pell-might-have-been-easier-to-come-home/746315/412 "2018-12-17T05:36:51Z")
Still waiting with bated-breath for **Bricker** to wander in here since the latest revelations were made public. Well, not public in Australia where the offences occurred, but public for the rest of the world.
😉
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### Author:  [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2018, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-poor-george-cardinal-pell-might-have-been-easier-to-come-home/746315/413 "2018-12-17T11:13:33Z")
> [@kambuckta](#):
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> Still waiting with bated-breath for **Bricker** to wander in here since the latest revelations were made public.
Why I’m sure he’ll be along presently to acknowledge his error. I’ll drop him a message though just in case he’s missed this.
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### Author:  [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)
#### Post date: [December 18, 2018, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-poor-george-cardinal-pell-might-have-been-easier-to-come-home/746315/414 "2018-12-18T07:04:34Z")
Maybe if I BAIT my breath, I might be able to lure Bricker?
Hey\*\* Bricker\*\*, my breath smells like cat food. 😃
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### Author:  [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)
#### Post date: [December 18, 2018, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-poor-george-cardinal-pell-might-have-been-easier-to-come-home/746315/415 "2018-12-18T13:36:20Z")
> [@kambuckta](#):
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> Maybe if I BAIT my breath, I might be able to lure Bricker?
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> Hey\*\* Bricker\*\*, my breath smells like cat food. 😃
That’s no way to attract Bricker. Tell him your breath smells like liberal hypocrisy.
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### Author:  [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)
#### Post date: [December 20, 2018, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-poor-george-cardinal-pell-might-have-been-easier-to-come-home/746315/416 "2018-12-20T02:53:57Z")
Having breath that smells like cat food is unconstitutional.
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### Author:  [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)
#### Post date: [December 20, 2018, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-poor-george-cardinal-pell-might-have-been-easier-to-come-home/746315/417 "2018-12-20T03:38:36Z")
> [@Hamlet](#):
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> Having breath that smells like cat food is unconstitutional.
Don’t know about unconstitutional but it certainly says something about my constitution.
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### Author:  [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)
#### Post date: [December 20, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-poor-george-cardinal-pell-might-have-been-easier-to-come-home/746315/418 "2018-12-20T20:21:08Z")
I’m sure he’ll be along any day now.
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### Author:  [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)
#### Post date: [December 20, 2018, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-poor-george-cardinal-pell-might-have-been-easier-to-come-home/746315/419 "2018-12-20T21:40:44Z")
I liked this quote from Counterpunch’s coverage, [The Case that Dare Not Speak Its Name: the Conviction of Cardinal Pell](https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/12/17/the-case-that-dare-not-speak-its-name-the-conviction-of-cardinal-pell/):
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> In a global, relentless information environment, one accessible at the search on a phone, suppression orders retain an anachronistic insensibility. When it comes to matters concerning an individual of such standing and influence as Cardinal Pell, including the clandestine institution he has represented for decades, the courts risk looking all too cosy with creatures of power.
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### Author:  [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)
#### Post date: [December 20, 2018, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-poor-george-cardinal-pell-might-have-been-easier-to-come-home/746315/420 "2018-12-20T22:57:09Z")
> [@kambuckta](#):
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> Still waiting with bated-breath for **Bricker** to wander in here since the latest revelations were made public. Well, not public in Australia where the offences occurred, but public for the rest of the world.
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> 😉
Give me a second…
::closing eyes … swaying gently … humming::
Liberalhypocrisyican!!! … Legalnitpicklely!!! … Condescenditatocorrector!!!
::Eyes flash open. Breathing calms. Smug smile creeps across face::
Must I restate this every single time something happens with Cardinal Pell’s case? Idiots.
As I clearly stated last year, I will only admit I was wrong when there is a “final judgment of criminal guilt”. Cardinal Pell, like every person charged and convicted of a crime, has the right to appeal. And due to the “terrible injustice” and “outrageous bias” of this jury verdict, Pell will likely appeal. And will likely win.
Do I need to lecture you further on appellate law and what constitutes a “final judgment” (say if the 77 year old Pell dies before he has finished every possible appeal)? Or will you expect me to drop everything and come running to do your bidding every time something minor happens in the case again?
::eyes slam shut…rapid breathing… MaximumConceitium!!! ::
Oh. My. It takes a ton out of me to channel Brick…
::vomiting furiously:::
Ugh. I feel dirty all over.
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