# OH, so if he were a 400lb WHITE man on PCP it would be OK if 6 Black cops used force? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 2, 2003, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-so-if-he-were-a-400lb-white-man-on-pcp-it-would-be-ok-if-6-black-cops-used-force/216499 "2003-12-02T14:58:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-so-if-he-were-a-400lb-white-man-on-pcp-it-would-be-ok-if-6-black-cops-used-force/216499/21 "2003-12-02T17:59:21Z")
[WCPO](http://www.wcpo.com/) in cincy currently has the full raw footage available on their website. Recently the Minneapolis police were accused of sodomizing a drug suspect with a plunger. The local NAACP came out immediatly against the police, and several local citizens groups and local activists came out immediatly too. They didn’t wait to see if the story had any validity. They held a news conference showing the man, in pain, hunched over, barely able to walk, and ultimately collapsing in front of the cameras. But wait! There is more to the story? Footage taken earlier in the day by a local news crew show an agile and clearly healthy man running away from the news crews. The whole news conference deal was an act, a sham. Yet the local activists refused to back down from their original position. Why the heck didn’t they say, “you know, this guy may have hoodwinked us a bit, we’ll get back to you in a bit once we find out more information”. Instead, they stick to their guns, and loudly discredit themselves in front of all the news cameras. Note to activists: Sometimes people are bad. By blindly assuming the worst in all situations, you may occaisionally appear to be in league with these bad people. This does not help your cause. ---
**Author:** ![Belrix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed655f/32.png) [@Belrix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belrix)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-so-if-he-were-a-400lb-white-man-on-pcp-it-would-be-ok-if-6-black-cops-used-force/216499/22 "2003-12-02T18:01:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Derleth \* > \*\*Adhesive spray would be better: Hose him down with a nontoxic glue and when he falls over, he sticks to the ground long enough for teflon-suited officers to cuff him. Or a foam spray, like a quick-expand caulk, that would bind his appendages to his torso and his legs to each other. Not drugs, of course, since drugs are supremely messy and hard to get right, but something that focuses on reducing the probability of movement instead of inflicting pain. \*\* I saw a show on non-lethal weapons once and apparently the problem with glue technologies is getting the stuff off afterward. Sure, glue him to the sidewalk, then what? ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-so-if-he-were-a-400lb-white-man-on-pcp-it-would-be-ok-if-6-black-cops-used-force/216499/23 "2003-12-02T18:07:00Z")
How come we never see videos of white men (or women for that matter) being subdued by police? Surely there are lots.?! ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-so-if-he-were-a-400lb-white-man-on-pcp-it-would-be-ok-if-6-black-cops-used-force/216499/24 "2003-12-02T18:14:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Derleth \* > \*\*This whole thing has made me think that there must be a better way to subdue people than hitting them with sticks or spraying them with mace. Think about this: If I hit you with a stick, what is your first response? To lie down quietly and wait for me to cuff you, or to whirl around and clock me in the face? How about if I spray noxious irritants in your eyes and nostrils? > > Adhesive spray would be better: Hose him down with a nontoxic glue and when he falls over, he sticks to the ground long enough for teflon-suited officers to cuff him. Or a foam spray, like a quick-expand caulk, that would bind his appendages to his torso and his legs to each other. Not drugs, of course, since drugs are supremely messy and hard to get right, but something that focuses on reducing the probability of movement instead of inflicting pain. \*\* That is the funniest thing I have read in a long while. It gave me a great visual.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-so-if-he-were-a-400lb-white-man-on-pcp-it-would-be-ok-if-6-black-cops-used-force/216499/25 "2003-12-02T18:24:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jjimm \* > \*\*One question here: I noted on the video one of the cops repeatedly using a “stabbing” or digging motion with his nightstick, rather than a swinging motion. Is that part of correct procedure? \*\* To answer your question, yes, the point contact of a nightstick is much more painful and debilitating than being smacked with the length of the club. Think of someone hitting you with the point of a high heeled shoe instead of the flat part. Clubs have been known to break when swung instead of jabbed, which leaves the cop without a non-lethal weapon (other than pepper spray). The “PR” that most cops carry these days are not really designed for flailing. That handle sticks out at a right angle for a reason. Some riot sticks actually have a steel ball on each end to facilitate damage upon contact. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-so-if-he-were-a-400lb-white-man-on-pcp-it-would-be-ok-if-6-black-cops-used-force/216499/26 "2003-12-02T18:24:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by vanilla \* > \*\*How come we never see videos of white men (or women for that matter) being subdued by police? > Surely there are lots.?! \*\* Just watch _COPS_! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7cd45c/32.png) [@Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Glory)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-so-if-he-were-a-400lb-white-man-on-pcp-it-would-be-ok-if-6-black-cops-used-force/216499/27 "2003-12-02T18:40:41Z")
I can see some problems inherent with “glue submission” technologies. If the glue got in a person’s nose or mouth, they could be suffocated. You ever seen a mouse caught in a glue trap? I have, the mouse was face first and dead. ---
**Author:** ![photopat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e95f7d/32.png) [@photopat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/photopat)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-so-if-he-were-a-400lb-white-man-on-pcp-it-would-be-ok-if-6-black-cops-used-force/216499/28 "2003-12-02T18:40:55Z")
I’m just curious, has Jesse Jackson made a statement about this? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-so-if-he-were-a-400lb-white-man-on-pcp-it-would-be-ok-if-6-black-cops-used-force/216499/29 "2003-12-02T18:52:11Z")
I think we should be weary of making the whole process too nice, if that makes any sense. ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-so-if-he-were-a-400lb-white-man-on-pcp-it-would-be-ok-if-6-black-cops-used-force/216499/30 "2003-12-02T18:57:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Derleth \* > **…Hose him down with a nontoxic glue and when he falls over, he sticks to the ground long enough for teflon-suited officers to cuff him…** This could be taken any number of ways: Why not kill 2 birds with one stone. Let the CPD circle jerk all over him. He’ll be sticky - and the police will be showing their love and admiration for all members of the community. ---
**Author:** ![ccwaterback](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@ccwaterback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ccwaterback)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-so-if-he-were-a-400lb-white-man-on-pcp-it-would-be-ok-if-6-black-cops-used-force/216499/31 "2003-12-02T19:01:42Z")
Taser technology is the way to go. Too bad most police don’t have the funds to buy these things. > **[TASER Self-Defense](https://taser.com/)** > > Explore the best-selling TASER Pulse+, TASER Pulse, and StrikeLight, which are packed with the same power as law-enforcement models. Whether you're at home or on the go, you're never alone when you carry a TASER Self-Defense product. Also too bad I didn’t buy 10,000 shares of their stock 6 months ago: > **[TASR Interactive Stock Chart | 5842424 Stock - Yahoo Finance](https://finance.yahoo.com/chart/TASR?ltr=1)** > > At Yahoo Finance, you get free stock quotes, up-to-date news, portfolio management resources, international market data, social interaction and mortgage rates that help you manage your financial life. ---
**Author:** ![emarkp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3be4f8/32.png) [@emarkp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emarkp)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-so-if-he-were-a-400lb-white-man-on-pcp-it-would-be-ok-if-6-black-cops-used-force/216499/32 "2003-12-02T19:19:37Z")
It **was** racism. Listen to what the guy says as he lunges at the cops (unprovoked). He calls them “white rednecks”, and something about what “my momma” taught me. Also, the preliminary coroners report that I heard was that the bruises were on the arms and legs, and nowhere on the torso. I’ll be interested to see the final report. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-so-if-he-were-a-400lb-white-man-on-pcp-it-would-be-ok-if-6-black-cops-used-force/216499/33 "2003-12-02T19:26:52Z")
Taser Inc. 52wk Range: 3.65 - 82.20 Holy shit! ---
**Author:** ![Rhum\_Runner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rhum\_Runner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhum_Runner)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-so-if-he-were-a-400lb-white-man-on-pcp-it-would-be-ok-if-6-black-cops-used-force/216499/34 "2003-12-02T19:42:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by World Eater \* > **Now who wants to bet that his family will sue and _win_ a multimillion dollar wrongful death settlement?** I’ll take that bet; no recovery for the family here. ---
**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-so-if-he-were-a-400lb-white-man-on-pcp-it-would-be-ok-if-6-black-cops-used-force/216499/35 "2003-12-02T19:42:07Z")
How come these policemen didn’t have tasers? ---
**Author:** ![Rhum\_Runner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rhum\_Runner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhum_Runner)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-so-if-he-were-a-400lb-white-man-on-pcp-it-would-be-ok-if-6-black-cops-used-force/216499/36 "2003-12-02T19:43:34Z")
He still might have died, I can’t believe that putting a few thousand volts through mr. universe would have been any better than a few hits from a stick. It wasn’t the beat down that killed him. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-so-if-he-were-a-400lb-white-man-on-pcp-it-would-be-ok-if-6-black-cops-used-force/216499/37 "2003-12-02T19:47:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rhum Runner \* > \*\*I’ll take that bet; no recovery for the family here. \*\* Alright, we’ll have to do a gentleman one. See you in 6 years. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Rhum\_Runner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rhum\_Runner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhum_Runner)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-so-if-he-were-a-400lb-white-man-on-pcp-it-would-be-ok-if-6-black-cops-used-force/216499/38 "2003-12-02T19:50:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by World Eater \* > \*\*Alright, we’ll have to do a gentleman one. > > See you in 6 years. 😛 \*\* Yeah, that’s about the pace of these things eh? ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-so-if-he-were-a-400lb-white-man-on-pcp-it-would-be-ok-if-6-black-cops-used-force/216499/39 "2003-12-02T19:51:58Z")
**NurseCarmen** you missed another chapter in that Minneapolis story. The guy has been arrested again for drug offenses. The other thing is, apparently this guy has a known habit of hiding drugs in his rectum. Which is enough to make you wonder… ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-so-if-he-were-a-400lb-white-man-on-pcp-it-would-be-ok-if-6-black-cops-used-force/216499/40 "2003-12-02T20:19:49Z")
Actual quote (emphasis added) from [WCPO’s report](http://www.wcpo.com/news/2003/local/12/02/whitecastle.html) of the incident: > [@](#): > > ["]It’s a matter of **lift** and death to these officers," [Cincinnati Police Chief Tom] Streicher added. Yeah, I can see why trying to hoist this guy could prove fatal. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-so-if-he-were-a-400lb-white-man-on-pcp-it-would-be-ok-if-6-black-cops-used-force/216499.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-so-if-he-were-a-400lb-white-man-on-pcp-it-would-be-ok-if-6-black-cops-used-force/216499.md?page=3)