# Oh the Irony **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [May 27, 2012, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-the-irony/623325 "2012-05-27T22:00:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-the-irony/623325/41 "2012-05-29T04:33:49Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > You are not being martyred. You fucked up twice, by doing the same exact thing. There is no defense for your actions. You deserved the warnings you were issued. If you do it again, you’re banned. If you want to stay here, stop insulting other posters outside of the Pit. You can attack the post, but not the poster. > > If you’re looking for a rough guide to the various forums here, then: > > 1. GQ has the strictest rules. No political jabs allowed, very little snark allowed. It’s usually “just the facts, Ma’am”. > > 1. MPSIMS is largely a fluffy bunny forum. You can get a little snarky, and disagree with an OP, but you have to be pretty gentle. > > 2. IMHO, CS, and Game Room are pretty similar. Disagreement can be expressed in somewhat sharper terms, moderate snark is allowed, but still no personal insults. > > 3. GD is fairly rough and tumble. You are generally free to attack posts with vigor, and imply that arguments presented are stupid with heavy sarcasm, snark, and pretty much unveiled contempt…but again you can’t personally insult anyone. > > 4.5) ATMB can get pretty heated, not quite to GD levels, but close. There are not supposed to be any personal insults, but some do slip through from time to time. > > 1. The Pit is as wild as it gets here. You can’t discuss mod actions, you can’t call other posters cunts, can’t tell them to fuck off, can’t tell them to perform oral sex on you, can’t wish death on them, but otherwise you can pretty much vent your frustrations. > > I don’t read the Comments on Cecil’s Columns, Barnhouse, or Marketplace forums enough to have much of a feel for them, but I suspect they’re comparable to the IMHO/CS/Game Room level of enforcement. One more thing that’s frowned upon here, which the above post almost perfectly demonstrates (in the guise of being “helpful”): no Junior Modding. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-the-irony/623325/42 "2012-05-29T04:39:49Z")
> [@splatterpunk](#): > > One more thing that’s frowned upon here, which the above post almost perfectly demonstrates (in the guise of being “helpful”): no Junior Modding. Now there’s some actual irony for ya. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-the-irony/623325/43 "2012-05-29T04:57:00Z")
> [@splatterpunk](#): > > One more thing that’s frowned upon here, which the above post almost perfectly demonstrates (in the guise of being “helpful”): no Junior Modding. Not according to the rules: > [@](#): > > Rule enforcement is the responsibility of SDMB staff. If you believe a post violates a rule, report it using the “report post” function - this is the triangular icon at the right end of the time/date bar above each post. Do not take it upon yourself to chastise others for perceived rule violations. Giving advise =/= chastising. **Oakminster** wasn’t chastising anybody ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-the-irony/623325/44 "2012-05-29T05:01:01Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Not according to the rules: > > Giving advise =/= chastising. > > **Oakminster** wasn’t chastising anybody > [@](#): > > If you do it again, you’re banned. If you want to stay here, stop insulting other posters outside of the Pit. Say again? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-the-irony/623325/45 "2012-05-29T05:07:46Z")
> [@splatterpunk](#): > > Say again? :rolleyes: Obvious paraphrase of the mod position previously stated, which is routine practice in these threads. No junior modding intended or performed. **Cynyc** is perfectly free to disregard the advice given. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-the-irony/623325/46 "2012-05-29T05:10:45Z")
> [@splatterpunk](#): > > Say again? **Oakminster** wasn’t chastising anybody. 😃 Would you care to attribute that quote? ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-the-irony/623325/47 "2012-05-29T05:18:45Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > **Oakminster** wasn’t chastising anybody. 😃 > > Would you care to attribute that quote? Attribute it to what? Or to whom? Do you even know what the word means? ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-the-irony/623325/48 "2012-05-29T05:25:14Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > :rolleyes: > > Obvious paraphrase of the mod position previously stated, which is routine practice in these threads. No junior modding intended or performed. **Cynyc** is perfectly free to disregard the advice given. It’s routine practice in these threads for users to waltz in and threaten other users with bannings? Really? Huh. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-the-irony/623325/49 "2012-05-29T05:34:19Z")
> [@splatterpunk](#): > > It’s routine practice in these threads for users to waltz in and threaten other users with bannings? Really? Huh. Two mods already mentioned that the next warning for this behavior will result in banning. I made no threats, I merely repeated what the mods had already said. Quotes below, since you apparently missed them. > [@twickster](#): > > **cynyc** , you’ve gotten two warnings in ten days. For each, you came to ATMB looking for sympathy – for each, you were told, _by other posters_, “Nope, you definitely deserved that warning.” > > You may find another message board elsewhere more to your liking, if our expectations for civility are burdensome to you. In any case, a third warning here in the near future will bring your SDMB career to an end. > > **twickster** , for the SDMB > [@Marley23](#): > > Nobody’s obsessed with you, **cynyc**. You’re not allowed to insult people outside of the Pit, and when you tell someone they need to see a shrink because they asked a question you find stupid, that’s insulting. We are allowed to use terms like “jerkish” and “threadshitting” because those words describe particular types of rules violations. You may not like those terms, but they are accurate descriptions of your behavior in that thread. My suggestion is that you focus on that instead of complaining about the terms or about the moderators. The moderating staff agrees with what **twickster** wrote in this thread. You can take it as a friendly warning or a stern one, but either way, you’re going to be out of here shortly if you don’t follow those rules. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-the-irony/623325/50 "2012-05-29T05:40:17Z")
> [@splatterpunk](#): > > One more thing that’s frowned upon here, which the above post almost perfectly demonstrates (in the guise of being “helpful”): no Junior Modding. [Actual Moderating] **splatterpunk** , knock it off. **Oakminster’s** post wasn’t junior moderating. Ironically enough, yours is. Colibri Moderator ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-the-irony/623325/51 "2012-05-29T05:45:59Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > [Actual Moderating] > > **splatterpunk** , knock it off. **Oakminster’s** post wasn’t junior moderating. Ironically enough, yours is. > > Colibri > Moderator How? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-the-irony/623325/52 "2012-05-29T05:54:35Z")
> [@splatterpunk](#): > > Attribute it to what? Or to whom? Do you even know what the word means? Yeah. This quote which you posted without attributing to anybody. > [@](#): > > Quote: > If you do it again, you’re banned. If you want to stay here, stop insulting other posters outside of the Pit. If you’re going to post someone’s quote, it’s good practice to note who posted it. So, who said it? Anyway, I see a third mod confirmed that **Oak** wasn’t junior modding, so I needn’t reply anymore since your opinion has been invalidated. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-the-irony/623325/53 "2012-05-29T05:57:51Z")
> [@splatterpunk](#): > > How? You publicly accused **Oakminster** of a warnable rules violation, that is, junior moderating. If you felt his post was against the rules, you should have reported it and let the moderators handle it. **Oakminster’s** post was not junior moderating. The subject of **cynyc’s** behavior was already on the table in this thread, and input from posters in this circumstance is OK. As he said, two moderators had already indicated that banning was a possibility, and he committed no offense by agreeing with that. If you have some kind of beef with **Oakminster** , take it to the Pit. Don’t use this thread as an excuse to attack him here. ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-the-irony/623325/54 "2012-05-29T06:32:06Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > You publicly accused **Oakminster** of a warnable rules violation, that is, junior moderating. If you felt his post was against the rules, you should have reported it and let the moderators handle it. I did report it. Nothing happened. > [@](#): > > **Oakminster’s** post was not junior moderating. The subject of **cynyc’s** behavior was already on the table in this thread, and input from posters in this circumstance is OK. As he said, two moderators had already indicated that banning was a possibility, and he committed no offense by agreeing with that. He didn’t just “agree with” it. He threatened a user with a banning. > [@](#): > > If you have some kind of beef with **Oakminster** , take it to the Pit. Don’t use this thread as an excuse to attack him here. Yeah. Whatever. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-the-irony/623325/55 "2012-05-29T06:53:29Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > 1. The Pit is as wild as it gets here. You can’t discuss mod actions, you can’t call other posters cunts, **can’t tell them to fuck off** , can’t tell them to perform oral sex on you, can’t wish death on them, but otherwise you can pretty much vent your frustrations. Is this true? I thought you could tell someone to fuck off but not say “fuck you”. Although I often confused on these things. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-the-irony/623325/56 "2012-05-29T08:28:49Z")
It’s true. > [@](#): > > The following expressions should not be directed at other posters. > > cunt and variants, e.g., cuntlapper > motherfucker > cocksucker > **fuck you and variants, e.g., go fuck yourself, fuck off and die** > suck/lick my dick/cock and variants [Restricted language in the Pit](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=508858) ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-the-irony/623325/57 "2012-05-29T09:47:38Z")
IMO, it was a mistake for TPTB to get specific about which particular words/phrases are prohibited - because (as mentioned upthread) setting out specifics just makes it easier for people to violate the spirit of the law whilst upholding the letter. For example, if it’s prohibited to say “Your father was a squirrel, and your mother smells of elderberries”, someone will just come along and say “your father was a chipmunk, and your mother smells of boysenberries”. Then the rule will be adapted to _“do not compare anyone’s father to any arboreal rodent, or the aroma of anyone’s mother to any kind of berry”_, but this doesn’t stop people saying “your father was a meerkat, and your mother smells of apricots”… So TPTB step in again and say “Look, just don’t compare anyone’s parents to small furry animals, or fruit, OK?”, but without breaking any rules, someone will say “your father was a pangolin, and your mother smells of rhubarb”… and so on. The more finely you nuance the rules, the easier it is to dance rings around them, and the harder they are to interpret and enforce - easier just to say “don’t be an asshole”, because in all of the above hypotheticals, it’s obvious that the offender is being an asshole, and that the offender _knows_ he’s being an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-the-irony/623325/58 "2012-05-29T10:59:20Z")
> [@splatterpunk](#): > > One more thing that’s frowned upon here, which the above post almost perfectly demonstrates (in the guise of being “helpful”): no Junior Modding. Being helpful != Jr Modding. Being helpful and pointing things out (like navigating the board culture) is fine. Jr Modding is trying to act as if you have the authority to enforce rules (not just explain rules to someone who is confused). Saying “your post broke this rule and you should stop” is jr modding. Saying “a type of post that is generally considered bad form or is against the rules would be blah blah” is not. IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-the-irony/623325/59 "2012-05-29T13:04:19Z")
Perhaps it would clarify things a bit to suggest (IMHO) that one difference between “Junior Modding” and **Oakminster** ’s post is that “Junior Modding” is typically unsolicited criticism, whereas **Oakminster** was _replying_ to repeated solicitations for clarification by the OP. If you keep asking “but _how_ is it wrong?” someone is going to come along and tell you. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-the-irony/623325/60 "2012-05-29T13:41:14Z")
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