# Oh, You've Apologized? That Makes It ALL Better. \[RO\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 22, 2011, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-youve-apologized-that-makes-it-all-better-ro/589988 "2011-07-22T15:01:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-youve-apologized-that-makes-it-all-better-ro/589988/21 "2011-07-22T19:04:22Z")
> [@rachelellogram](#): > > So they just kept marching under it instead of moving the picket line out of the way? I hope not. Protesting ain’t worth heatstroke. It was 83 degrees in Chicago the morning when the lamps were on…hardly heatstroke worthy. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-youve-apologized-that-makes-it-all-better-ro/589988/22 "2011-07-22T19:12:48Z")
> [@Shakes](#): > > Seriously, as an employer, I shouldn’t have to pay someone $20hr to sweep a fucking floor. I guess unions form in response to managers thinking that it’s perfectly A-OK to FUCKING COOK THEIR EMPLOYEES! Seriously, when management shows their utter contempt for their employees, don’t be surprised when they form a union to protect themselves. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-youve-apologized-that-makes-it-all-better-ro/589988/23 "2011-07-22T19:19:10Z")
Cook their Employees? They’re heat lamps designed to keep people comfortable in the cold. They are not exactly high power microwave beams. And, no one was forcing people to stand under them. If they were in any danger, the could have simple taken two steps to their right. Don’t get me wrong, it was a dick move. But, hardly danger to life or limb. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-youve-apologized-that-makes-it-all-better-ro/589988/24 "2011-07-22T19:39:38Z")
> [@Shakes](#): > > Seriously, as an employer, I shouldn’t have to pay someone $20hr to sweep a fucking floor. Then don’t. No one is forcing you to operate a business. You could do something else; I hear sweeping floors pays well. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-youve-apologized-that-makes-it-all-better-ro/589988/25 "2011-07-22T19:48:30Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > You’ve never worked non-union have you? Time to fight some ignorance. The 88% of the work force not in a union have a meeting with their management at precisely 10:05 AM everyday. We all line up and drop our pants as the management team take turns buggering each and every one of us and when they are done we say, “Thank you. I’ll see you tomorrow.” > > Seriously, only about 12% of the work force is unionized. If the other 88% of us were getting fucked over by management all the time the economy and the country would have fallen apart a long time ago. > > Cite: > > [http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm](http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm) Holy shit…I dropped the ball on this one! 19 years. 253 work days a year. 50 employees average. I guess I owe my employees a solid 240,350 buggerings! Or I could let them unionize and they can get buggered by the union instead…besides, I don’t think I have the stamina to catch up on my mandated quota. ---
**Author:** ![Dingbang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@Dingbang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dingbang)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-youve-apologized-that-makes-it-all-better-ro/589988/26 "2011-07-22T19:49:06Z")
Unions and striking employees have been known to do all manner of obnoxious behavior that is jussssst short of violating the law, and then sometimes they just flagrantly violate the law. Not to mention activities that are just obnoxious regardless of the law. So what’s wrong with an employer playing the same game? If the striking employees are going to try to disrupt the hotel’s business, why shouldn’t the employer do whatever it can to disrupt the protest outside? If they were standing on my lawn for instance, I wouldn’t hesitate to turn on the sprinklers. Turning on the heat lamps seems like the same thing. It’s pretty weak to whine that the employer should just let them do their thing and not counter in any way. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-youve-apologized-that-makes-it-all-better-ro/589988/27 "2011-07-22T20:34:21Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Cook their Employees? They’re heat lamps designed to keep people comfortable in the cold. They are not exactly high power microwave beams. And, no one was forcing people to stand under them. If they were in any danger, the could have simple taken two steps to their right. > > Don’t get me wrong, it was a dick move. But, hardly danger to life or limb. I remember leaving a casino in Vegas around 7am in the summer and waited under the lights (it was an older Casino that had THOUSANDS of individual bulbs that easily surpassed a dozen heat lamps at the Hyatt) for a cab…it was summertime, already 95+ degrees outside. Hot and annoying, but still tolerable…maybe the seniors might bitch and moan about it, but nobody’s life was at stake. Concur…dick move, but not dangerous. I’d fire the bum though. Stupid managers are a dime a dozen. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-youve-apologized-that-makes-it-all-better-ro/589988/28 "2011-07-22T22:15:04Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I guess unions form in response to managers thinking that it’s perfectly A-OK to FUCKING COOK THEIR EMPLOYEES! > > Seriously, when management shows their utter contempt for their employees, don’t be surprised when they form a union to protect themselves. No unions by and large are just another example of how we Americans have a ridiculous sense of entitlement. > [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Then don’t. No one is forcing you to operate a business. You could do something else; I hear sweeping floors pays well. I was speaking hypothetically. Lots of big corporations are forced to pay their workers an overpriced market amount. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-youve-apologized-that-makes-it-all-better-ro/589988/29 "2011-07-22T23:23:40Z")
Oh noes! Those poor big corporations, always getting fucked by the working man! If they continue being oppressed like this, they’ll probably have to close up shop for lack of funds! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-youve-apologized-that-makes-it-all-better-ro/589988/30 "2011-07-23T00:40:32Z")
> [@Shakes](#): > > I was speaking hypothetically. Lots of big corporations are forced to pay their workers an overpriced market amount. Only in the sense that I am forced by Big Oil to buy overpriced $4.00/gallon gasoline. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-youve-apologized-that-makes-it-all-better-ro/589988/31 "2011-07-23T01:23:45Z")
Hey, we agree on something! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-youve-apologized-that-makes-it-all-better-ro/589988/32 "2011-07-23T05:40:51Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > You’ve never worked non-union have you? Time to fight some ignorance. The 88% of the work force not in a union have a meeting with their management at precisely 10:05 AM everyday. We all line up and drop our pants as the management team take turns buggering each and every one of us and when they are done we say, “Thank you. I’ll see you tomorrow.” I _wish_ our meetings were this efficient or productive. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-youve-apologized-that-makes-it-all-better-ro/589988/33 "2011-07-23T15:48:09Z")
> [@Shakes](#): > > Seriously, as an employer, I shouldn’t have to pay someone $20hr to sweep a fucking floor. These guys are getting $20/hour for sweeping the floors and they are on strike? That seems a bit greedy. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-youve-apologized-that-makes-it-all-better-ro/589988/34 "2011-07-23T15:52:35Z")
> [@Shakes](#): > > No unions by and large are just another example of how we Americans have a ridiculous sense of entitlement. Compared to who? Europe where unionization rates are a lot higher? Japan? Where unionization rates are a lot higher? I suppose we should follow in the footsteps of Latvia or something. > [@](#): > > I was speaking hypothetically. Lots of big corporations are forced to pay their workers an overpriced market amount. No they aren’t. Noone puts a gun to their heads to sign those contracts. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-youve-apologized-that-makes-it-all-better-ro/589988/35 "2011-07-23T16:17:17Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Noone puts a gun to their heads to sign those contracts. Who is this “Noone” fellow I keep hearing about? It seems like this asshole is the root of most of our problems. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-youve-apologized-that-makes-it-all-better-ro/589988/36 "2011-07-24T00:43:54Z")
> [@Dingbang](#): > > Unions and striking employees have been known to do all manner of obnoxious behavior that is jussssst short of violating the law, and then sometimes they just flagrantly violate the law. Not to mention activities that are just obnoxious regardless of the law. So do employers. Why do you think unions came about in the first place? Look up the Homestead Strike sometime. > [@](#): > > If they were standing on my lawn for instance, I wouldn’t hesitate to turn on the sprinklers. Considering what the heat’s like now, that’d probably be a blessing. (At least here in Pittsburgh it is. That would probably end the strike in a hurry!) ---
**Author:** ![JBDivmstr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@JBDivmstr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JBDivmstr)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-youve-apologized-that-makes-it-all-better-ro/589988/37 "2011-07-26T22:58:14Z")
> [@Ludy](#): > > Why do you assume that unions automatically mean higher pay? A few years ago a union tried to get the workers at my company to turn. The workers found out that the union could not guarantee higher wages, we would have had to pay dues, and the company was already offering all of the same benefits and regulations that the union would require. The workers voted against the union. Management respected the workers and treated them fairly, and we are still not union today. Everyone is happy. > > The company my husband works for is one of the few nonunion of its type in the city. It’s also the second highest paying. > > Often the union is put in place because management is taking advantage. I am a union member but don’t automatically side with the union. IMHO power corrupts, sometimes the union holds the power and sometimes management. Agreed… I used to be a union member, also. When union jobs got scarce, there didn’t seem to be _ **any** _ efforts taken by the union to find more work for it’s members, yet they still bitched and hollered if you weren’t paying your dues! (Not to mention, you couldn’t get on the roster for the few jobs that **did** come in!) Told 'em to kiss my ass, I didn’t need a union to find work. I’ve been working ever since! (And doing just fine without them, thank you very much!) (Individual results, may vary.) 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-youve-apologized-that-makes-it-all-better-ro/589988/38 "2011-07-26T23:17:42Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Who is this “Noone” fellow I keep hearing about? It seems like this asshole is the root of most of our problems. [Peter Noone](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Noone), lead singer of Herman’s Hermits and destroyer of world economies. ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-youve-apologized-that-makes-it-all-better-ro/589988/39 "2011-07-27T04:17:27Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > I remember leaving a casino in Vegas around 7am in the summer and waited under the lights (it was an older Casino that had THOUSANDS of individual bulbs that easily surpassed a dozen heat lamps at the Hyatt) for a cab…it was summertime, already 95+ degrees outside. Hot and annoying, but still tolerable…maybe the seniors might bitch and moan about it, but nobody’s life was at stake. > > Concur…dick move, but not dangerous. I’d fire the bum though. Stupid managers are a dime a dozen. I think: Dick move against a bunch of dicks doing dick things. If you are striking, you aren’t working…they were on the employers property, taking up space, and, let’s be real, creating an atmosphere of intimidation…TS for them…What did they expect, ice cream? Best wishes, hh ---
**Author:** ![Gocho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4af34b/32.png) [@Gocho](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gocho)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-youve-apologized-that-makes-it-all-better-ro/589988/40 "2011-07-27T05:36:03Z")
Fantastic. Don’t want to work? Get off the property. I wonder how effective they thought a picket line beginning in the morning would be in a type of business where most customers arrive in the afternoon/evening after making a reservation? And where many have relationships with specific lines of hotels through loyalty programs, making switching costly? An extra fifteen seconds to exit in the morning won’t overcome that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-youve-apologized-that-makes-it-all-better-ro/589988.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-youve-apologized-that-makes-it-all-better-ro/589988.md?page=3)