# Ohio Governor Jim Rhodes (1909-2001) 'forgotten' "chicken hawk"? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 5, 2014, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-governor-jim-rhodes-1909-2001-forgotten-chicken-hawk/680548 "2014-02-05T03:30:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![wolf\_meister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf_meister/32/15202_2.png) [@wolf\_meister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf_meister)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-governor-jim-rhodes-1909-2001-forgotten-chicken-hawk/680548/1 "2014-02-05T03:30:30Z")
I did not start this thread to discuss the Kent State Massacre. Also, if it doesn’t belong here, please move it to the correct category. Yes this guy was the governor of Ohio during the infamous “Kent State Massacre” > **[Kent State shootings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_state_massacre)** > > The Kent State shootings (also known as the Kent State massacre or May 4 massacre) were the killing of four and wounding of nine unarmed college students by the Ohio National Guard on the Kent State University campus. The shootings took place on May 4, 1970, during a rally opposing the expanding involvement of the Vietnam War into Cambodia by United States military forces as well as protesting the National Guard presence on campus and the draft. > Twenty-eight National Guard soldiers fired Krause... (May 4, 1970) in which 4 students were shot to death by Ohio National Guardsmen. This guy was a Republican and certainly a conservative. In a May 3, 1970 press conference > [@](#): > > … an emotional Governor Rhodes pounded on the desk and called the student protesters un-American, referring to them as revolutionaries set on destroying higher education in Ohio. > “We’ve seen here at the city of Kent especially, probably the most vicious form of campus oriented violence yet perpetrated by dissident groups. They make definite plans of burning, destroying, and throwing rocks at police, and at the National Guard and the Highway Patrol. This is when we’re going to use every part of the law enforcement agency of Ohio to drive them out of Kent. We are going to eradicate the problem. We’re not going to treat the symptoms. And these people just move from one campus to the other and terrorize the community. They’re worse than the brown shirts and the communist element and also the night riders and the vigilantes”, Rhodes said. “They’re the worst type of people that we harbor in America. Now I want to say this. They are not going to take over [the] campus. I think that we’re up against the strongest , well-trained, militant, revolutionary group that has ever assembled in America.” > Rhodes can be heard in the recording of his speech yelling and pounding his fists on the desk. Wow that guy sure could _talk_ and _act_ pretty tough, so it made me think - ‘I bet this guy didn’t spend one day in the military’ and after a bit of searching, it seems I was right about this guy’s military service (or lack thereof). Basically, my questions are do you think this guy qualifies as a chicken hawk and what made him immune to being singled out as such? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-governor-jim-rhodes-1909-2001-forgotten-chicken-hawk/680548/2 "2014-02-05T03:43:09Z")
“Chickenhawk” is a recent coinage referring to warhawks who could have served in Vietnam but didn’t.\* Rhodes would have been 18 years old in 1927 – no wars at the time he could have served in, and in 1941 he was 32, just a bit old for it, though I’m sure older men did volunteer and get in. Also, in the post quoted he is not even being a warhawk, but railing against a domestic political movement; there’s nothing in it that even expresses his opinion on the Vietnam War itself. \*And a somewhat older coinage referring to pimps who recruit minors as prostitutes, and Rhodes actually **was** one of those; my post is my cite. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-governor-jim-rhodes-1909-2001-forgotten-chicken-hawk/680548/3 "2014-02-05T03:48:39Z")
BTW, does a thread about a dead man really belong in the Elections forum? ---
**Author:** ![Octarine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/22d042/32.png) [@Octarine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Octarine)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-governor-jim-rhodes-1909-2001-forgotten-chicken-hawk/680548/4 "2014-02-05T04:12:28Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > “Chickenhawk” is a recent coinage referring to warhawks who could have served in Vietnam but didn’t. Does it only apply to Vietnam? It came into use because of Vietnam, but I was under the impression that it applies to anyone who supports war but refuses to fight. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-governor-jim-rhodes-1909-2001-forgotten-chicken-hawk/680548/5 "2014-02-05T05:12:21Z")
> [@Octarine](#): > > Does it only apply to Vietnam? It came into use because of Vietnam, but I was under the impression that it applies to anyone who supports war but refuses to fight. Its **use** is entirely post-Vietnam and only WRT Vietnam, AFAIK. ---
**Author:** ![Falchion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a88e57/32.png) [@Falchion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Falchion)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-governor-jim-rhodes-1909-2001-forgotten-chicken-hawk/680548/6 "2014-02-05T15:57:45Z")
> [@Octarine](#): > > Does it only apply to Vietnam? It came into use because of Vietnam, but I was under the impression that it applies to anyone who supports war but refuses to fight. I don’t know if it only applies to Vietnam, but, at least, I would think it would apply to people who were of an appropriate age during some sort of large scale mobilization of the American populace and “refused” to fight. I mean, whether or not you think military service is important for being commander-in-chief, I don’t think you could call Obama a “chickenhawk” for supporting certain military actions yet not having served in the military. He’s just not the right age to believe that a “real man” would have served. Similarly, Rhodes would have been too young for WWI and a little old for WWII. ---
**Author:** ![nevadaexile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/eb8c5e/32.png) [@nevadaexile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nevadaexile)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-governor-jim-rhodes-1909-2001-forgotten-chicken-hawk/680548/7 "2014-02-05T18:25:13Z")
> [@Falchion](#): > > I don’t know if it only applies to Vietnam, but, at least, I would think it would apply to people who were of an appropriate age during some sort of large scale mobilization of the American populace and “refused” to fight. > > I mean, whether or not you think military service is important for being commander-in-chief, I don’t think you could call Obama a “chickenhawk” for supporting certain military actions yet not having served in the military. He’s just not the right age to believe that a “real man” would have served. > > Similarly, Rhodes would have been too young for WWI and a little old for WWII. If he were born in 1909 then he would have been 32/33 when the US was entering WWII. They were taking men in that age range at that time (18-42,; 17 with parental permission). He wouldn’t have been drafted, but he certainly could have volunteered if he chose to. As an ex-servicemember myself, I’m sure that he had to do some pretty fancy “dancing” when he discussed what he did during the war around vets. Most guys who didn’t serve usually did and do. Or they simply change the subject unless they were conscientious objectors. Barack Obama had no need to join the military as A) There was no war going on when he was old enough to join B) He was smart enough to get into a good college Anyone who calls him a “chickenhawk” doesn’t know what the "eff’ they are talking about. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-governor-jim-rhodes-1909-2001-forgotten-chicken-hawk/680548/8 "2014-02-05T19:37:11Z")
> [@nevadaexile](#): > > Barack Obama had no need to join the military as > > A) There was no war going on when he was old enough to join > B) He was smart enough to get into a good college > > Anyone who calls him a “chickenhawk” doesn’t know what the "eff’ they are talking about. Or, for that matter, calls him a “hawk.” ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-governor-jim-rhodes-1909-2001-forgotten-chicken-hawk/680548/9 "2014-02-05T20:41:39Z")
He served with distinction in the US military, recently in actions during the Civil War over the Superhuman Registration Act. Otherwise, I don’t think chickenhawk is appropriate but other terms might be. ---
**Author:** ![nevadaexile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/eb8c5e/32.png) [@nevadaexile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nevadaexile)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-governor-jim-rhodes-1909-2001-forgotten-chicken-hawk/680548/10 "2014-02-05T20:43:22Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Or, for that matter, calls him a “hawk.” He is very willing to use military force when necessary. Ask Osama bin Laden about that. Oh wait…. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-governor-jim-rhodes-1909-2001-forgotten-chicken-hawk/680548/11 "2014-02-05T20:49:41Z")
> [@nevadaexile](#): > > He is very willing to use military force when necessary. > Ask Osama bin Laden about that. > Oh wait…. But a hawk would not bother about “necessary.” ---
**Author:** ![wolf\_meister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf_meister/32/15202_2.png) [@wolf\_meister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf_meister)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2014, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-governor-jim-rhodes-1909-2001-forgotten-chicken-hawk/680548/12 "2014-02-06T09:28:13Z")
Thanks for the quick replies and it’s good to see everyone stayed on topic. By the way **BrainGlutton** sorry for if I placed this in the wrong category. (The last time I posted any new SDMB topic was 10 months ago. Let’s hope I choose a category more wisely the _next_ topic I choose). 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2014, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-governor-jim-rhodes-1909-2001-forgotten-chicken-hawk/680548/13 "2014-02-06T10:32:36Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > “Chickenhawk” is a recent coinage referring to warhawks who could have served in Vietnam but didn’t.\* > > \*And a somewhat older coinage referring to pimps who recruit minors as prostitutes Although I could easily enough deduce the warhawk/didn’t serve meaning based on context, there is only _one_ meaning of chickenhawk ([besides, y’know, the literal meaning](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickenhawk_(bird))) that I had ever been familiar with: an older gay man who pursues much younger men. > [@wolf\_meister](#): > > it’s good to see everyone stayed on topic. Ooops.