# Ohio Holocaust Memorial **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 6, 2013, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507 "2013-08-06T17:58:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/202 "2013-08-08T14:14:14Z")
> [@Kevin\_Kludd](#): > > Think of what the Star of David looks like. Picture it in your mind ( or Google it!). Now, six triangles, six lines and six points…=666!!!..Food for thought!! Don’t eat the stupid. Goodbye, **Kevin Kludd**. ---
**Author:** ![lawbuff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/13edae/32.png) [@lawbuff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lawbuff)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/203 "2013-08-08T14:18:02Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > What was the name of the town, though? I do remember someone brought a case against there being a cross on the seal of Las Cruces, NM. (Of course, said individual apparently was unaware that “Las Cruces” translates to “The Crosses”, so the whole thing was kinda stupid.) Is that the one you’re thinking of? No, here it is; [https://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/947/947.F2d.147.90-8561.html](https://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/947/947.F2d.147.90-8561.html) ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/204 "2013-08-08T14:19:22Z")
[[Nevermind, reversed mod note]] ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/205 "2013-08-08T14:26:19Z")
Eh? He was being sarcastic. As for sniping at **the diego** , it’s probably justified considering he clearly hadn’t even read the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/206 "2013-08-08T14:34:52Z")
> [@lawbuff](#): > > No, here it is; > > [https://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/947/947.F2d.147.90-8561.html](https://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/947/947.F2d.147.90-8561.html) I remember that case, and I think the court ruled correctly. Incorporating the family crest of the person the town was named after is definitely historical in origin. ---
**Author:** ![lawbuff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/13edae/32.png) [@lawbuff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lawbuff)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/207 "2013-08-08T14:46:19Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I remember that case, and I think the court ruled correctly. Incorporating the family crest of the person the town was named after is definitely historical in origin. Here is that one I was talking about in Ohio, I found it on the 1st AM site; [http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=8337](http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=8337) Another link; A Christian symbol in an Ohio town seal would give an observer the impression that the government was endorsing the faith, a federal judge has said in upholding a challenge to the seal. The Stow, Ohio, town seal – adopted in 1966 and including a Latin cross and Bible – violates the separation of church and […] [http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/?s=quadrant&submit=GO!](http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/?s=quadrant&submit=GO%21) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/208 "2013-08-08T14:57:14Z")
> [@lawbuff](#): > > Here is that one I was talking about in Ohio, I found it on the 1st AM site; > [http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=8337](http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=8337) From the first case in that link: > [@](#): > > Citizens and town officials in Republic, Mo., are fighting to stave off a challenge by the state’s American Civil Liberties Union to that town’s seal, containing an ichthus – a fish symbol rich in Christian history. The ACLU says the symbol unconstitutionally endorses religion. The town’s legal counsel, the National Legal Foundation, maintains it merely symbolizes all religions. Anyone buy that excuse? ---
**Author:** ![lawbuff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/13edae/32.png) [@lawbuff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lawbuff)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/209 "2013-08-08T15:01:35Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Anyone buy that excuse? I did not see that one, that is crazy, sometimes the ACLU is good, but depending on the Chapter, they are just on in legal left field. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/210 "2013-08-08T15:05:35Z")
> [@lawbuff](#): > > Here is that one I was talking about in Ohio, I found it on the 1st AM site; > [http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=8337](http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=8337) [How the court ruled in the second case mentioned.](http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=8149) Basically, they didn’t buy the “historical/non-religious” reasoning put forth by the defendants. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/211 "2013-08-08T15:46:49Z")
> [@lawbuff](#): > > No, here it is; > > [https://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/947/947.F2d.147.90-8561.html](https://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/947/947.F2d.147.90-8561.html) Ah, thanks. (I still cannot wrap my head around the idea the idea that people are protesting a Star of David on a _Holocaust Memorial_. The whole thing just blows my mind. Context, people? Common sense is dead.) ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/212 "2013-08-08T16:11:51Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Enough already. If you want to snipe at people … what? I was making a joke by riffing off of something he said. And I’m pretty sure that he would tell you that he understood it to be a joke. If I’m misreading and you mean that I was directing that remark at anybody else… I have no idea who you think I’d be referencing, other than an ever so droll throwaway line about 'revelatory ’ information and "that’s what They want you to think. Heck Marley, we don’t even have any folks in the thread who that could be a parody of. I mean, closest I could think is a Dope who hasn’t visited this thread but who’s posted about 9/11 and the Mossad, etc. The closest we come, IIRC, is Spoke’s argument in an old thread as to why he felt that Hollywood was run by a Jewish cabal which harmed gentiles for the benefit of Jews and that Hollywood should be sued on a fishing expedition, just to check 'em out. But that’s not close enough for parody by that joke. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/213 "2013-08-08T16:17:35Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > (I still cannot wrap my head around the idea the idea that people are protesting a Star of David on a _Holocaust Memorial_. The whole thing just blows my mind. Context, people? Common sense is dead.) It’s a Slippery Slope. Let this happen, and next thing you know they’ll be doing circumcisions in the Rotunda and the Mossad will be reading everyone’s e-mail. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/214 "2013-08-08T16:31:03Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > … what? I took that to be yet another crack at **Czarcasm** based, but looking at it again, that probably doesn’t make a lot of sense. Please disregard. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/215 "2013-08-08T16:45:47Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > (I still cannot wrap my head around the idea the idea that people are protesting a Star of David on a _Holocaust Memorial_. The whole thing just blows my mind. Context, people? Common sense is dead.) Did you miss the three pages of discussion about how it might be a religious endorsement? Or are you just saying, “it’s a memorial, let it go”? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/216 "2013-08-08T17:28:14Z")
Ah yes - a Holocaust Memorial as an endorsement of Judaism. “Join us, and this can happen to you, too!” ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/217 "2013-08-08T17:34:01Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > The closest we come, IIRC, is Spoke’s argument in an old thread as to why he felt that Hollywood was run by a Jewish cabal which harmed gentiles for the benefit of Jews and that Hollywood should be sued on a fishing expedition, just to check 'em out. But that’s not close enough for parody by that joke. Which thread is that? Or did you mean to commit libel? ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/218 "2013-08-08T17:42:39Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Ah yes - a Holocaust Memorial as an endorsement of Judaism. “Join us, and this can happen to you, too!” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/219 "2013-08-08T17:51:49Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > Allegedly, it is intended as a war memorial, in part to honour the specific Ohio vets who liberated the camps. Also, there are Holocaust survivors in Ohio. I know two in Cincinnati, myself. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/220 "2013-08-08T17:52:01Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > Which thread is that? Or did you mean to commit libel? I remember that thread! 😃 It was a hoot. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=580689&highlight=hollywood&page=2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=580689&highlight=hollywood&page=2) > [@](#): > > Well, I’m just a simple country lawyer, but yes, you’re right, there are laws. And what I am saying is that these numbers suggest that the industry is ripe for litigation. > > Employment discrimination is subtle and difficult to prove, but one method of proving it is with statistical evidence. And those statistics look overwhelming. Todderbob is quite right that you’d need to know more particulars about hiring practices in the industry and circumstances in particular cases. That’s what depositions are for. If I were a disappointed but well-qualified jobseeker (or an attorney who represented one), I’d seriously think about pursuing a claim. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/221 "2013-08-08T18:02:59Z")
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