# Ohio Holocaust Memorial **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 6, 2013, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507 "2013-08-06T17:58:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/222 "2013-08-08T18:12:44Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Did he ever get around to filing the class action suit? Damn, if he didn’t, I’d like a piece of that action. Imagine the contingency fees! 😃 Well, aside from the whole being laughed out of court thing … ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/223 "2013-08-08T18:33:45Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > “Illegitimate,” no. Particularly since, for most of that time, it was a religious identification. But a “tribal” identification that spans national borders? What’s the point of that, exactly? > > I still wouldn’t call it “illegitimate.” “Stubbornly divisive” would be a better descriptor. “Self-defeating” might be another. If you set yourselves up as an “Other” it shouldn’t be surprising if some folks perceive you exactly that way. I’m not Jewish myself. Mostly Scots and Irish ancestry. Right now, I’ve got the Harp flag of Ireland hanging on the wall above my head. And I’ve got a tattoo of my family crest on my shoulder - which is, in fact, a literal clan emblem. Am I being stubbornly divisive? Self defeating? At what point, exactly, should I expect an anti Scots pogrom to kick down my door? And how does my gay pride bumper sticker fit into all of this? What about my Star Wars t-shirts? I mean, I’m certainly announcing a group affinity when I wear that - not one as deeply felt as the others, but surely, the principle must hold, right? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/224 "2013-08-08T20:16:20Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > Which thread is that? Or did you mean to commit libel? Libel. Definitely libel. Luckily Malthus was in on the plot. > [@Marley23](#): > > I took that to be yet another crack at **Czarcasm** based, but looking at it again, that probably doesn’t make a lot of sense. Please disregard. Now listen here, you jumped-up, Discordian son of a… oh, what’s that? Awww, man! Can’t we fight about it some, anyways? 🆒 Seriously though, thanks for being honest and a solid enough gentleman to publicly change your mind when you’re wrong. For, what, the second time in as many months? Which is not to say that you’re generally wrong when you disagree with me, mind you. Just that, ya know, disagreeing with me generally means you’re wrong. 😛 > [@Alessan](#): > > Ah yes - a Holocaust Memorial as an endorsement of Judaism. “Join us, and this can happen to you, too!” That’s just what THEY want you to think! I finally need to let the goyim in on it. I just can’t stay silent anymore. Okay, goyim? Us Jews have a ten-million year program in which _our_ planet Earth and its people form the matrix of a vast, cool, and unsympathetic sentient-Chinese-restaurant which will, when the Great Work is completed one day, not only stay open on Christmas but also have a movie theater in the back so Jews can save money on gasoline that night. Now, yes, the Jews did arrange for you goyim to conduct some primitively staged exterminations and pogroms on us just to check how much you’d really learned, to give you the odd prod in the right direction, you know the sort of thing: suddenly fleeing from the Nazis and getting captured by the British for your troubles; inhaling the odd bit of Zyklon B; or suddenly dropping dead of lead poisoning in the head and chest. We are just that motherfucking crafty. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/225 "2013-08-08T20:40:07Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Libel. > Definitely libel. This sure the way it looks to me. Unless you can show me anywhere in that thread where I said anything about a cabal. Mods, is this board tolerating/encouraging libel now? Because continuing this sort of indulgence of **FinnAgain** ’s flights of defamation is something you really ought to think about. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/226 "2013-08-08T20:52:59Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > This sure the way it looks to me. Unless you can show me anywhere in that thread where I said anything about a cabal. Your denial (and righteous indignation) is transparent and your argument’s cleverness-with-verbiage is all in your imagination. Yes, of course you were talking about a [cabal](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cabal). No, the fact that you were coy and didn’t use that word is hardly exculpatory. Did you claim that there were artifices and intrigues going on by the Jews in Hollywood? Yep. Did you claim that this was secret (the reason for your fishing expedition law suit to discover evidence)? Yep. Did you claim that they were united towards a common plot, that of advancing Jews at the expense of gentiles? Yep. The only quibble you could have, I suppose, is that it was an organically arising, spontaneous-conspiracy, an “old boys network” you called it, a ‘network’ that just so happens to deliberately hurt their own financial interests by advancing less qualified Jews over more qualified gentiles. Remember, your whole ‘qualified candidate’ hypothetical who should pursue a lawsuit for not getting a job in Jewish Hollywood? But, if you really want to double down, I guess you can claim that you ‘just’ described a spontaneous-conspiracy, and not a plot per se. (Oddly, and surprisingly, you didn’t and evidently don’t want to launch lawsuits against a single other industry which has over-representation of any other ethnic/racial/whatever group. Odd. And surprising!) So yeah, your hopping up on the cross is not terribly persuasive. But hey, knock yourself out. After all, all you did was to describe something that’s a cabal. Luckily though, you didn’t use the word “cabal”. \*\*Achievement Unlocked \*\*- Plausibly Deniable 100G: maintain a “What? Who, me?” argument through two separate threads. That hole you’re in seems like a megabitch. I suggest you dig harder. Can I offer you a nice new shovel? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/227 "2013-08-08T20:54:09Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > The closest we come, IIRC, is Spoke’s argument in an old thread as to why he felt that Hollywood was run by a Jewish cabal which harmed gentiles for the benefit of Jews and that Hollywood should be sued on a fishing expedition, just to check 'em out. But that’s not close enough for parody by that joke. I should have responded to this as soon as I saw it, and it’s my fault that I didn’t. This has nothing to do with the subject at hand, so drop it immediately. This has nothing to do with the topic at hand, and it was stupid of you to go on this tangent just to make fun of another poster. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Your denial (and righteous indignation) is transparent and your argument’s cleverness-with-verbiage is all in your imagination. Yes, of course you were talking about a [cabal](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cabal). No, the fact that you were coy and didn’t use that word is hardly exculpatory. You’re now hijacking the thread. Knock it off. > [@Spoke](#): > > Mods, is this board tolerating/encouraging libel now? Because continuing this sort of indulgence of **FinnAgain** ’s flights of defamation is something you really ought to think about. I doubt that qualifies as libel, and I strongly advise you to stop muttering about lawsuits right this second. It’s inappropriate in context and the mods do not take this kind of discussion lightly. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2013, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/228 "2013-08-08T20:58:21Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > You’re now hijacking the thread. Knock it off. No problem. I will not respond to Spoke, Malthus or Jack if they comment further. And simply for the record, I wasn’t making fun of Spoke, just pointing out that my joke to Malthus couldn’t even apply to him in this thread. I probably should’ve said it without the elaboration, though. Mea culpa. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507/229 "2013-08-09T04:19:00Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Did you miss the three pages of discussion about how it might be a religious endorsement? Or are you just saying, “it’s a memorial, let it go”? I did read the discussion. It’s not about “it’s just a memorial”. I’m just amazed that anyone can be so, I don’t know, ignorant, I guess, regarding the symbolism (heh) here? Remember the Nazis forcing the Jews to wear yellow stars? The Holocaust wasn’t about religion – it was about race. In this case, the symbol is connected with the event, the people who were targeted, and I don’t think it can be dismissed by people bitching about “separation of church and state”. I believe firmly that the government shouldn’t be endorsing religion. However, I ALSO believe in common sense, historical knowledge and context. The idea that putting the SoD on this memorial is “endorsing the Jewish religion” is downright fucking retarded. And I think people who claim it is just like to argue for the sake of it, or have some kind of persecution complex. It’s absurd. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-holocaust-memorial/665507.md?page=11)