More people would want to do it because a smaller class is an easier job.
Unions are against incentives. They want the worst and best teachers to make the same money. Unions of course want more money for all teachers. That’s an incentive for non-teachers to become teachers, not an incentive for bad teachers to become good teachers.
Nobody is saying teachers can’t have a union, only that the union can’t “collectively bargain” with, i.e. shake down, the state. There is no Constitutional right to a closed shop. The law as it stands right now says state employees can’t collectively bargain, and there’s nothing unconstitutional about it.
No, you can work 100 hours a week if you want. But I’m only going to pay you the smallest amount I think you’ll accept in order to do the job.
Again, there is nothing in SB5 that prevents the state from paying as much as it wants to any state employee. It is about bashing public employee unions, which in fact deserve to be bashed for reasons already stated.
So all we need to do to get more teachers is to get more teachers. Brilliant!
Or, I can sleep on the job, or come in drunk if I think I can get away with it. Same thing.
Let’s take it nice and slow. If you have to pay a teacher $80,000 a year to teach 35 kids, but that same teacher would take $68,600 to do the easier job of teaching 30 kids, you just reduced class sizes for free, except for the cost of the additional classroom space. The numbers are hypothetical, but you get the idea. Don’t you?
If you can find someone dumb enough to let you, then go for it. Maybe you should apply for a state job.
I’m surprised at the “assault on the middle class” argument against SB5. Since we can’t get off the topic of teachers, you do realize that in Ohio about half of school expenses are paid by local property taxes, which are not progressive. You pay the same rate whether you’re living in a trailer in Noble County or a mansion in Powell.
Since you seem to be unclear on the distinction between criminal conspiracies and voluntary contracts, I’m not sure how you expect to be able to handle the even more abstruse concepts discussed on this thread.
Concur. IMO restricting collective bargaining is a restriction on free speech.
Well, more like a restriction on free assembly. But that’s covered by the same amendment, anyway.
You see, just picking out that the top end of the payscale is a great way to distort the facts. Especially since that link gives no information about the “teachers” listed other than their salary and hours/days worked. Every individual school I looked at had exactly one “teacher” paid $175,000. By the looks of it, they’re counting administrators and other non-teaching jobs.
Here is a better site to represent the facts objectively. This site only does a city at a time but tells you what actual public school teachers are paid. Seems most of the cities I checked had a median salary of right around $50,000.
Well, maybe they are difficult for you, but I don’t see that they would be for the rest of us. The unions want more money. That’s hardly a shock. The state of Ohio doesn’t want to spend more than they have to. That’s hardly a shock either.
Unions always want more. They can’t always have it, particularly with the economy in the state it’s in.
I’m sorry you’re having trouble with abstruse concepts like that. Maybe your teachers are to blame.
Regards,
Shodan
Oh, that’s straightforward enough for most of us, Shodan. Except that Hyperelastic here is assuring us that it’s not just all about the state not wanting to pay the teachers as much as the unions want.
I am voting No, and by the looks of it most voters will Tuesday. Kasich doesn’t seem very interested in actually governing, but rather is destroying systems to see what happens. I’d rather he take his Godzilla game someplace else.
I don’t recall anyone dying and making you king. It isn’t your place to decide if the teachers need a union. If they want to join one, it’s none of your fucking business. If they want to pay dues, it’s none of your fucking business. If the union wants to donate to politicians, it’s none of your fucking business. The question of the moment is do we want to destroy what has created the middle class? Do we want state governments to sabotage state revenue streams by cutting taxes for the fat cats and thus create a budget “crisis” to be balanced on the backs of the working class?
This is going down big time. By the actions of new Republican governors in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Ohio, Obama can count on the electoral votes in these three states. Thanks a lot, rednecks!
And if Ohio decides to pass this law, that’s none of your fucking business.
Since you aren’t king either.
Regards,
Shodan
Can it be my fucking business, since I live here? Exactly whose fucking business is being restricted here? Just non-residents, or people we don’t like, or what is the criteria?
Since you live in Ohio, you have my deepest sympathy. If you want to vote to destroy the middle class, that’s your business. It wouldn’t make it right, but you could do that. Teachers should be free to have a closed shop if they want to and pay dues if they want to and if the union wants to be active political that is their right.