# Ohio Issue Watch 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 7, 2023, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753 "2023-11-07T14:25:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/61 "2023-11-08T19:03:39Z")
> [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](#): > > liberal; if we assume a liberal/conservative dichotomy Why would you assume that? 30% of yesterday’s voters identified as moderates. 36% as conservative: > **[Exit poll results from Ohio Issue 1 ballot measure on abortion rights](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/07/ohio-issue-1-exit-poll-results/)** > > Exit poll results for Ohio Issue 1 ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/62 "2023-11-08T19:05:58Z")
As counsel, Ginsberg was working towards getting women’s rights fully recognised under the equality principle in the 14th Amendment, which would presumably have included abortion as a specific instance of equal rights. That approach would have been much more constitutionally sound than privacy, in my opinion. But as @hajario says: > It would have been overturned by the current SCOTUS regardless of how it was decided. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/63 "2023-11-08T19:09:00Z")
> [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](#): > > > [@Jackmannii](#): > > > > “Ohio liberals account for 35% of voters in Tuesday’s preliminary exit poll results, up from 20% in the 2022 midterms and 21% in the 2020 presidential election. If that holds, it’ll be a record high turnout among liberals in Ohio exit polls dating back to 1984.” > > > > Something to be said for getting out and voting, instead of just bitching and moaning. > > > > Ohio a red state? Not so fast. > > 35% of voters were liberal; if we assume a liberal/conservative dichotomy, that means 65% of voters were conservative; that’s pretty damned red! So, with 35% of voters identifying as liberal and the pro-abortion rights measure getting over 56% of the vote, then according to your calculation, the remainder of the proposition’s supporters were conservatives. 🤔 You may want to revisit your assumption that there’s a strict liberal/conservative dichotomy among voters. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/64 "2023-11-08T19:42:10Z")
So, now the GOP spin starts- [https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4299436-sean-hannity-abortion-democrats-trying-to-scare-women/](https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4299436-sean-hannity-abortion-democrats-trying-to-scare-women/) _Fox News host [Sean Hannity](https://thehill.com/people/sean-hannity/)accused Democrats of trying to “scare” women voters into thinking Republicans want a nationwide ban on abortion, which he said contributed to GOP losses in Tuesday night’s elections._ \*_“Democrats are trying to scare women into thinking Republicans don’t want abortion legal under any circumstances,” Hannity said on his nightly prime-time show after election results had come in Tuesday_ > **[Tracking Abortion Bans Across the Country](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/us/abortion-laws-roe-v-wade.html)** > > The New York Times is tracking the status of abortion laws in each state following the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade. **16 states with GOP legislators have banned abortion.** Two have strong limits. **He’s lying.** ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/65 "2023-11-08T19:42:17Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > So, with 35% of voters identifying as liberal and the pro-abortion rights measure getting over 56% of the vote, then according to your calculation, the remainder of the proposition’s supporters were conservatives. 🤔 > > You may want to revisit your assumption that there’s a strict liberal/conservative dichotomy among voters. Oh, no. The Republican Party may need to revisit their assumption that their base is fully anti-abortion. More than anything, I was pointing out that a 35% number was woefully short _as is_ to prove the state wasn’t ruby red. Everything in the political discourse seems to be a liberal / conservative split. Period. Dot. End of sentence. I like @pulykamell 's numbers, showing 30% self-identified as “moderates”. Imagine that - there’s something between left and right! ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/66 "2023-11-08T19:49:07Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > He’s lying. Sean Hannity? No way. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/67 "2023-11-08T21:18:10Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > This is an extreme distortion of Republican ideas, Republicans have two ideas: 1. Do anything necessary to grab all the power they can, up to and including violence. 2. Do anything to make the wealthy even wealthier. There’s nothing else they believe in. Now, I don’t think mandating abortions help them with either, so I think this is very unlikely. But if they thought it would, they would certainly do it. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/68 "2023-11-08T21:28:30Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > Republicans have two ideas: > > 1. Do anything necessary to grab all the power they can, up to and including violence. > 2. Do anything to make the wealthy even wealthier. > > There’s nothing else they believe in. This is not true. “Republicans” are a weird mishmash of people. The idea that there aren’t Republicans who are sincere in their anti-choice beliefs is just nonsense. Same with many of their other beliefs. It’s a lazy attempt to demonize the political opponents, and it distorts what they actually believe, and such distortion makes it harder to work against them. Being effective at opposing their awfulness means understanding them. Are there Republicans who are cynical power-grabbers? 100%. But they depend on the true believers in order to gain power; and because they depend on the true believers, they’ll never in a million years mandate abortions. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/69 "2023-11-08T22:18:22Z")
Agreed. Some Republicans genuinely love guns, and others genuinely hate abortion. Given that Issue 1 passed in several counties that aren’t Dem strongholds, however, I suspect some of its GOP supporters were more libertarian than MAGA. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/70 "2023-11-08T22:50:58Z")
Chatter on reddit is that Ohio Republicans will try to block or ignore this ballot measure. Is that something they can do, or was this vote the final word? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/71 "2023-11-08T23:17:53Z")
They can’t legally do either. But they can certainly illegally ignore it, like they’ve illegally ignored the anti-gerrymandering measures. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/72 "2023-11-09T01:11:11Z")
When it comes to abortion, Republicans would be wise to open their eyes as to the will of the people. And the willingness of the people to vote. But that would be wise, and these would be Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/73 "2023-11-09T01:41:55Z")
“We think abortion should be left up to the states” is the lie that Republicans tell independents who are equally uncomfortable with abortion and with efforts to ban it. It’s a have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too position that lets them be all things to these voters. But the truth is that the long-term Republican project is to ban abortion nationwide. It’s already explicitly a part of the Republican Party platform: “. . .we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to children before birth." There’s no “unless the fetus is in New York or California” exception. Even conceding that party platforms have only a loose relation to policies that politicians pursue in office, the anti-abortion activists who provide the donations, campaign volunteers, and primary votes that get Republicans elected did not do so out of an esoteric concern over the proper role of federalism. They believe that abortion is a moral horror, and that it must be extirpated everywhere. And they will hold Republican officeholders’ feet to fire to ensure they are progressing toward that goal. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/74 "2023-11-09T01:55:03Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > But the truth is that the long-term Republican project is to ban abortion nationwide. It’s already explicitly a part of the Republican Party platform: “. . .we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental right to life which cannot be infringed. Some Republican officeholders have tried, and in some cases succeeded, in banning abortion. But none of them actually believe in or pursue the sanctity of life, or the right of a fetus to life. They consistently vote against health measures that would reduce death rates among both the born and the unborn. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/75 "2023-11-09T02:08:51Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Some Republican officeholders have tried, and in some cases succeeded, in banning abortion. **16 states with GOP legislators have banned abortion.** Two have strong limits. > [@Chronos](#): > > They consistently vote against health measures that would reduce death rates among both the born and the unborn. Yep. So it’s a right to life until you are born… ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/76 "2023-11-09T04:29:35Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Some Republican officeholders have tried, and in some cases succeeded, in banning abortion. But none of them actually believe in or pursue the sanctity of life, or the right of a fetus to life. Yep. Their position is consistently anti-choice, not pro-life. See also the large overlap with pro-death penalty advocates. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/77 "2023-11-09T04:40:28Z")
I haven’t heard anyone crying about election fraud in Ohio. Are we getting to the point where Republicans have decided not to bang that drum? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/78 "2023-11-09T14:45:35Z")
Not this time, anyway. Our sucky SecState has always assured voters that Ohio elections are safe and secure, while supporting ever-more-restrictive means to make it harder for people to vote, er, I mean, to fight voter fraud. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/79 "2023-11-09T18:12:00Z")
The Ohio Senate President promises not to give up the fight on this matter: > **["This isn't the end": Top Ohio Republican vows effort to undo abortion...](https://www.salon.com/2023/11/08/this-isnt-the-end-top-ohio-vows-effort-to-undo-abortion-amendment-backed-by/)** > > "It is really just the beginning of a revolving door of ballot campaigns to repeal or replace Issue 1," GOPer says. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/80 "2023-11-09T18:15:13Z")
Well, he’s got to say something to get people to keep putting money in his coffer. But if he wants to keep motivating people to the polls to legalize abortion and elect pro-choice candidates, that’s fine by me. By all means, Mr. Senate President, keep the abortion fight at the forefront. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753.md?page=5)