# Ohio Issue Watch 2023

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [November 7, 2023, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753 "2023-11-07T14:25:55Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 15\
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**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\
**Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/81 "2023-11-09T19:23:07Z")

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> [@EllisDee](#):
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> Chatter on reddit is that Ohio Republicans will try to block or ignore this ballot measure. Is that something they can do, or was this vote the final word?

Given that it’s now part of the state’s Constitution, I don’t see how they can block it.

Ignore it, on the other hard, might be possible, but how would it be “ignored”?  
Do they do something like:

1. Arrest a doctor that performs an abortion for manslaughter;
2. Have it tried in a “red” part of the state, where a conviction is likely (presumably - they either have to find 12 jurors who didn’t support the measure, or one juror and a judge who would require that the doctor be held in custody between a mistrial and the next trial);
3. Wait until it eventually makes its way to the state Supreme Court, which would almost certainly rule the arrest illegal;
4. Go back to step 1 with another doctor?

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**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\
**Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/82 "2023-11-09T19:25:20Z")

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> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#):
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> how would it be “ignored”?

Pass anti-abortion laws anyway.

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**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\
**Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/83 "2023-11-09T21:29:59Z")

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> [@EllisDee](#):
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> Pass anti-abortion laws anyway

But presumably each and every new law will immediately be challenged and _should_ be ruled as unconstitutional.

I think they will try to get a new amendment on the ballot.

> This isn’t the end. It is really just the beginning of a revolving door of ballot campaigns to repeal or replace Issue 1.

So says Senate President Matt Huffman.

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**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\
**Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/84 "2023-11-09T22:45:52Z")

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> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#):
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> This is not true. “Republicans” are a weird mishmash of people.

But the only things the GOP works of

> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#):
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> This is not true. “Republicans” are a weird mishmash of people. The idea that there aren’t Republicans who are sincere in their anti-choice beliefs is just nonsense. Same with many of their other beliefs.

OK, Republican leadership (including Fox News) only believes these two things. What difference does it make what the mishmash of people believe? The leadership only cares about this if it helps them maintain power. The mishmash will change their beliefs as Fox tells them to. If mandating abortions would help them keep power, Fox News would be pushing the idea within a day and the mishmash will be parroting it within a week.

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**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\
**Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/85 "2023-11-10T14:44:29Z")

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> [@Railer13](#):
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> But presumably each and every new law will immediately be challenged and _should_ be ruled as unconstitutional.

Any challenge to the Ohio abortion amendment will be heard by the Ohio Supreme Court. Justices are elected on a partisan basis, and the current court is four Republicans and three Democrats. I have every faith that the Court will use any whatever tortured logic is necessary to find the legislature’s anti-abortion measures to be in compliance with the amendment.

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**Author:** ![OldGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3bc359/32.png) [@OldGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldGuy)\
**Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/86 "2023-11-10T22:20:38Z")

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> [@Railer13](#):
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> But presumably each and every new law will immediately be challenged and _should_ be ruled as unconstitutional.

Not necessarily, they can pass laws about who can perform abortions (remember the admitting rights deal) or that clinics have to have wide corridors or full time staff of various types. All of this was done in various states while abortions were legal if you recall.

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**Author:** ![BlueOhio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/439d5e/32.png) [@BlueOhio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlueOhio)\
**Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/87 "2023-11-13T13:18:12Z")

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Let’s not forget that a sitting judge on the state’s Supreme Court is the Governor’s son.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 15, 2023, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/88 "2023-11-15T20:22:42Z")

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Tell me about it. The ethical pretzels he’s had to twist himself into, to avoid recusal in cases involving the state government which his own dear ol’ Dad heads, are something to behold.

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**Author:** ![BlueOhio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/439d5e/32.png) [@BlueOhio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlueOhio)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/89 "2023-11-16T13:02:45Z")

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I think we are officially a PawPaw Republic.

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**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\
**Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/90 "2024-03-18T21:35:12Z")

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I read that a congressional district in the Ohio primary tomorrow is contested. There’s one Michael Rulli, Rick Tsai amd some Republican candidate endorsed by Trump whose name I can’t pronounce off-hand. I’ll bet I misspelled the candidates yet it doesn’t come from any lack of personal interest in the race.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/91 "2024-03-22T14:49:04Z")

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Here’s the outcome: [Michael Rulli wins 6th Congressional District seat: AP](https://www.wkbn.com/news/elections/3-republican-candidates-vying-for-6th-congressional-district-seat/)

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**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/92 "2024-03-22T15:28:43Z")

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He narrowly beat the Trump endorsed candidate

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**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/93 "2024-03-22T15:34:25Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Here’s the outcome: [Michael Rulli wins 6th Congressional District seat: AP](https://www.wkbn.com/news/elections/3-republican-candidates-vying-for-6th-congressional-district-seat/)

I’m confused; wasn’t that a primary?

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**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/94 "2024-03-22T15:54:21Z")

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Yes, but the district is strongly Republican – it has a PVI of R+16.

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**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohio-issue-watch-2023/992753/95 "2024-03-22T16:28:51Z")

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Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.

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