# Ohio's anti-trans brigade continues **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 27, 2024, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861 "2024-11-27T18:51:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/21 "2024-11-27T20:46:56Z")
I’m a child of 1960’s Detroit. I will never forget “I don’t even know what those people want me to _call them_ anymore – is it Negro? Colored? Afro-American? African-American??” As a general rule, I try to call people what they’d like to be called. Sometimes, I mess up. I’m human. But the people we’re talking about will extend profound grace … provided your intentions are good. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/22 "2024-11-27T20:55:23Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > Expect national Don’t Say Gay and anti trans laws. Where are they gonna find 60 Senate votes for that? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/23 "2024-11-27T21:05:13Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Once again … > > _“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”_ I’d say “malice”, rather than “selfishness”. Outside of the demagogues themselves nobody is _profiting_ from persecuting LGBTQ people, and may well suffer a loss for doing so - they just care more about hurting people than their own self interest. That’s why there’s so much hostility for “woke capitalism” from the Right; because it’s good business to attract the business of the people the Right hates, and a good businessperson puts the profit motive _above_ hate. Assuming that their motive is just selfishness leads to getting blindsided when they hurt themselves in their quest to harm others. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/24 "2024-11-27T21:12:15Z")
Is that the approach Republicans have used to make all their gains? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/25 "2024-11-27T21:15:25Z")
Yeah, that does sound like another example of people letting the Right stampede them into doing the opposite of what the Right is using to _succeed._ ---
**Author:** ![Zoobi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@Zoobi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoobi)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/26 "2024-11-27T21:21:18Z")
On day one he promised to purge all transgender soldiers from the military via executive order. This will happen. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/27 "2024-11-27T21:24:31Z")
Link, please? I don’t know what you mean by “day one”. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/28 "2024-11-27T21:26:52Z")
[Donald Trump ‘to expel all transgender people from military’](https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-expel-transgender-people-001050382.html) ---
**Author:** ![Zoobi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@Zoobi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoobi)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/29 "2024-11-27T21:28:00Z")
> **[Trump Reportedly Weighs Immediate Discharge of All Transgender Troops. Here's...](https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/11/25/trump-reportedly-weighs-immediate-discharge-of-all-transgender-troops-heres-what-would-mean.html)** > > The proposed plan, as first reported by the Times of London, would entail signing an order within days of Trump taking office to medically discharge transgender troops. But it looks like they might be walking that back. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/30 "2024-11-27T21:42:55Z")
On balance here, you’re annoyed that some people want to be treated a certain way, and I might have to leave my state and/or my country to avoid my rights being taken away. So yeah, congrats, “What if the majority decides to use the jackboot of fascism to tell you to pound sand?” You got me. In that case, I guess I lose. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/31 "2024-11-27T23:17:59Z")
> [@Zoobi](#): > > [Trump Reportedly Weighs Immediate Discharge of All Transgender Troops. Here's What That Would Mean.](https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/11/25/trump-reportedly-weighs-immediate-discharge-of-all-transgender-troops-heres-what-would-mean.html) > > But it looks like they might be walking that back. Trumpworld is full of leaks to American media. So it’s strange that the immediate discharge plan was only leaked to The Times (London). Lots of plausible guesses are possible. Here’s one: Trump told one of his acolytes to throw out a trial balloon leak on this, Said leaker did not want to ruin their credibility with the NY Times or WaPo, so they picked a newspaper and reporter relationship they did not care about burning. Now, just because it was a trial balloon doesn’t mean they won’t do it. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/32 "2024-11-27T23:47:22Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > The general public is forced to say “ma’am” when someone with a visibly male appearance and audibly male voice demands so. You mean the way it’s been forever since not all women meet a contrived definition of female appearance and sound? And maybe if the general public doesn’t want to be forced to say “ma’am” they should just stop addressing people with an assumption of their gender? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/33 "2024-11-27T23:53:13Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > And maybe if the general public doesn’t want to be forced to say “ma’am” they should just stop addressing people with an assumption of their gender? Really, it reminds me of how when I was a kid the whole ranting-and-raving over “Ms” was still going on, like it was some _huge imposition_ to have a term that didn’t specify if a woman was married. Even as a kid the whole uproar from the Right seemed stupid; after all it was _me, as a guy_ who would benefit from not having to guess. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/34 "2024-11-27T23:56:44Z")
It’s just curious to me that folks don’t seem to be able to go through their day without identifying other people by their gender . . . but no one seems to have any problem not identifying other people by their race. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/35 "2024-11-28T00:32:01Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Didn’t Trump just pick a nominee (a) for the top job at Treasury (b) who happens to be gay? Sure, maybe that fits into some kind of sinister anti-gay agenda — but maybe, just _maybe,_ he doesn’t, uh, give a crap. Trump may not care about gay. But his base is very worked up over transpeople. And the Republican Party has been feeding a fire of disinformation and malicious lies. Trump doesn’t have to be anti-gay for Congress under his admin to go hard on rolling back rights. He would have to veto to stop them, and what motive would be have for that? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/36 "2024-11-28T00:42:19Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > Trump doesn’t have to be anti-gay for Congress under his admin to go hard on rolling back rights. He would have to veto to stop them, and what motive would be have for that? What motive would _they_ have to go so danged far anti-gay? Seems to me that, in such a scenario, remarkably few GOPers in Congress would need to side with the Dems against some hypothetical anti-gay to pre-Stonewall rollback that, again, AFAICT, Trump _isn’t actually pushing for._ Where’s the upside? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/37 "2024-11-28T00:43:57Z")
Also, he’s a bully. Even if he really has nothing in particular against gays (or transgenders or whatever), that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t enjoy making them miserable just to get a charge out of it. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/38 "2024-11-28T00:44:05Z")
I missed this earlier. The first time, Trump lost the popular vote. The people had spoken, and they wanted Hillary Clinton. Trump became President only due to the electoral college. This time, it really was the will of the American people (or at least a solid majority of them) that Trump and others like him be elected. I could go on and on about the reasons people voted Trump. But it really comes down to two things- Inflation is bad. The economy is bad. I am personally hurting financially. I do not care about whatever else Trump does or what other people he hurts, so long as he magically fixes my economic problems. And Trump has made it okay to say what I am really feeling. Puerto Rico is a floating island of garbage. Illegal immigrants are criminals here to sell drugs, rob and assault us, rape our women and eat our pets. F_gg_ts and Tr\*nn\*\*s are sick weirdos who should not be respected, but (at best) subjected to conversion therapy and fixed. Trump and others like him (in my home state of Pennsylvania it was McCormick) ran on a platform of bigotry and hatred. The voters embraced them. Certainly, some elected officials will try to resist. I doubt very much they will be successful. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/39 "2024-11-28T00:46:39Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Where’s the upside? To appease the Christian Nationalists, that they adore kowtowing to, in their belief that homosexuals are an abomination unto God. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/40 "2024-11-28T00:49:07Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > Certainly, some elected officials will try to resist. I doubt very much they will be successful. How hard is it to “resist” voting yes on legislation that cannot pass unless at least seven Senate Democrats flip? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861.md?page=3)