# Ohio's anti-trans brigade continues **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 27, 2024, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861 "2024-11-27T18:51:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/61 "2024-11-28T04:05:17Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > Doesn’t anybody else remember that? > In his concurring opinion, Thomas wrote that the justices “should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/62 "2024-11-28T04:39:43Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > I just don’t get this denial that the same christo fascists that have been trying to pull the Republican strings since Reagan are finally getting the Party leadership to actually enact their will, and somehow they will stop with bathrooms and sports. AFAICT, the sports stuff seems to poll well for them; the bathroom stuff, less well; various other stuff, even less well. So I figure it’s pretty reasonable to figure that they’ll score as many points as they can with the bathroom stuff, and then quickly run out of momentum when they try but fail to score points with the tan suit yet other stuff in that vein. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/63 "2024-11-29T02:41:25Z")
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. —[Martin Niemöller](https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/martin-niemoeller-first-they-came-for-the-socialists) ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/64 "2024-11-29T03:03:53Z")
I agree completely. I hear far too much “The face-eating leopard I voted for will surely not eat my face! I am safe.” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/65 "2024-11-29T09:57:01Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > ne other thing that makes the transgender movement different than other movements is that it is perceived as more of an “intrusion” or imposition on other people than other causes. > > Abortion = don’t like abortion? Then don’t get one. A pro-lifer isn’t affected if a pro-choicer gets one. > > Gay marriage = the gays get married, it doesn’t affect the straights at all. That’s funny because it’s the same type of rhetoric used to oppose gay marriage. We were told over and over that gay marriage would damage the institution of marriage and that people shouldn’t have to recognize those marriages etc etc. And for that matter it’s the same rhetoric that was used to support segregation and oppose pretty much every civil rights advancement. Same bullshit, different day. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/66 "2024-11-30T01:50:57Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > Dobbs will be attacked in the courts, preventing the Senate from having to worry about passing new laws. But when Dobbs falls - it’s a certainty that the SC cabal will kill it when it is put in front of them again - then it will move the goal posts on what is acceptable. Crap, I totally blew it. I meant Obergfell. Dobbs is what overturned Roe. Obergfell is what legalized gay marriage. I hope I didn’t confuse people by what I meant. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/67 "2024-11-30T01:52:01Z")
And the process has started. > **[Kim Davis' legal team pushes to overturn Obergefell, citing Dobbs decision](https://www.wuky.org/local-regional-news/2024-07-24/kim-davis-legal-team-pushes-to-overturn-obergefell-citing-dobbs-decision)** > > The former Rowan County clerk who was jailed after refusing to issue marriage licenses to gay couples is being represented by the legal team Liberty Counsel, which aims to use the case to overturn same-sex marriage at the federal level. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/68 "2024-11-30T18:57:02Z")
As someone who lives in Kentucky, and who is good friends with one of the attorneys who was instrumental in getting gay marriage legalized, I’m infuriated. But not surprised. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/69 "2024-11-30T19:48:34Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > > [@Irishman](#): > > > > Dobbs will be attacked in the courts, preventing the Senate from having to worry about passing new laws. But when Dobbs falls - it’s a certainty that the SC cabal will kill it when it is put in front of them again - then it will move the goal posts on what is acceptable. No gay marriage. > > There are more states in which the legality of same-sex marriage is codified in law than there are in which its legality is dependent on the Supreme Court. So fucking what if it is codified in law in SOME states? Why are you excusing the fact it will be outlawed in other states? And if Dobbs is overturned there is no guarantee some of the states that have codified it can’t undo that. Yet another example of gay people being relegated to second-class citizenship. Sheesh. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/70 "2024-11-30T20:33:25Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > So fucking what if it is codified in law in SOME states? My point is that “Trump is going to ban SSM nationwide!” is an irrational thing to be afraid of because it’s not within his power to do. Nothing is accomplished by fearmongering about things that cannot and will not happen when there’s plenty of bad stuff Trump can actually do. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/71 "2024-12-01T00:00:13Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > My point is that “Trump is going to ban SSM nationwide!” is an irrational thing to be afraid of because it’s not within his power to do. Nothing is accomplished by fearmongering about things that cannot and will not happen when there’s plenty of bad stuff Trump can actually do. And we’ve _never_ seen a scenario where state laws were superceded by federal ones. 🙄 You seem to think the Constitution will remain in place and be dutifully followed and continue to act as a check on power. Rolling back gay marriage is only a stepping stone to what they really want - making gay sex illegal again. It may seem like fear mongering to you. If the efforts to limit freedom in two years causes a social backlash that gives a blue wave, and Congress grows some balls, and the Supreme Court decides that civil rights trump Christo-fascism, I’ll happily accept the label “fear monger”. But Trump isn’t even sworn in yet. The people on his team like Stephen Miller are not reassuring. _Nobody_ on his team is reassuring. And Trump going mentally decrepit and getting replaced by Vance is not reassuring. Until I see signs that the citizens who voted for Trump think he’s going to far, I’ll be “fear mongering” away. You can hide behind disbelief that Trump will do what he’s promised, that Congress will stand up to him and the MAGA voters, that the Supreme Court is not just a rubber stamp. I’ll be reassured _after_ all this is over. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/72 "2024-12-01T00:05:01Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > And we’ve _never_ seen a scenario where state laws were superceded by federal ones. 🙄 10th amendment. There is no Constitutional basis for a federal law on how states recognize marriages. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/73 "2024-12-01T00:08:39Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > You seem to think the Constitution will remain in place and be dutifully followed and continue to act as a check on power. > [@Irishman](#): > > . Rolling back gay marriage is only a stepping stone to what they really want - making gay sex illegal again. There’s even less of a Constitutional basis for a federal law on that. > [@Irishman](#): > > But Trump isn’t even sworn in yet. And yet people are already convinced that he can do whatever he wants and the entire apparatus of government will bend to his will, as opposed to him being an incompetent buffoon who accomplishes little besides running his mouth, like he’s been for the last 78 years. > [@Irishman](#): > > The people on his team like Stephen Miller are not reassuring. _Nobody_ on his team is reassuring. Nobody on his team is likely to still be on his team six months from now. > [@Irishman](#): > > You can hide behind disbelief that Trump will do what he’s promised Has Mexico paid for the wall yet? How much time does Hillary have left on her prison sentence? How about those libel laws he was going to reform? How long has the Muslim ban been in effect? When does the trading Puerto Rico to Denmark in exchange for Greenland take effect? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/74 "2024-12-01T00:08:49Z")
And what was the basis in the German constitution for the Holocaust? We’re talking about a man who promised to become a dictator and to end elections, and who has already completely dodged all consequences for a wide variety of misdeeds including rape and espionage. And over half of the population is completely fine with that. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/75 "2024-12-01T00:13:06Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And what was the basis in the German constitution for the Holocaust? The German constitution empowered Hitler to rule by decree. Their constitution only required a 2/3rds vote in the Reichstag to be amended. Changing the US Constitution is far more difficult. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/76 "2024-12-01T01:30:10Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > And yet people are already convinced that he can do whatever he wants and the entire apparatus of government will bend to his will, as opposed to him being an incompetent buffoon who accomplishes little besides running his mouth, like he’s been for the last 78 years. IT’S. NOT. JUST. TRUMP. It’s the leaders of both houses of Congress. It’s the current SCOTUS. And most importantly, it’s the powers behind them pushing a malignant agenda. But please keep pretending that things won’t be that bad. Because for many Americans, they already are and only likely to get worse. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/77 "2024-12-01T01:40:54Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > But please keep pretending that things won’t be that bad. Compared to the nightmare fantasies of ethnic cleansing, state-mandated homophobia, soldiers going door to door and rounding people up, nuclear war with Mexico, and global extinction that various posters on this board have been espousing? Yes. Things will not be that bad. That doesn’t mean bad things won’t happen, but the level of doomspiraling happening around here is completely detached from reality. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/78 "2024-12-01T01:52:41Z")
Umm…ethnic cleansing of a sort is planned. “State-mandated homophobia” is hyperbolic but “state-mandated transphobia” is already in progress and efforts to strip gay people of their rights are likewise well underway. The reversal of all of Biden’s initiatives on climate change and green energy will likely happen. _We don’t know_ how bad things will be, but “really, really bad” is well within the realm of possibility. Your repeated assertions that the worst case scenario won’t happen are little comfort, because even half as bad as that will hurt a _lot_ of people. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/79 "2024-12-01T02:09:21Z")
That was 8 year ago. Things have changed a lot since then. The various bad guys have been preparing things. As I said in another thread to a different poster- After the Beer Hall Putsch failed, Hitler was arrested, tried, and sent to prison. German newspapers bore headlines happily proclaiming that Hitler’s power was gone and his political career had ended. I believe we all know what happened after he was released. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861/80 "2024-12-01T02:12:20Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > That was 8 year ago. Things have changed a lot since then. The various bad guys have been preparing things. And Trump will giddily shit all over their plans and ruin everything the second he thinks someone other than him is getting ANY of the credit. It’s what he does. I swear this board trusts Trump to keep his promises more than the people who voted for him do. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ohios-anti-trans-brigade-continues/1010861.md?page=5)