# OJ Simpson has died **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** celebrity-death\ **Created:** [April 11, 2024, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-simpson-has-died/1000157 "2024-04-11T14:58:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-simpson-has-died/1000157/81 "2024-04-11T20:58:36Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Where are they planting him? Nowhere, he’s going to be concentrated. mmm ---
**Author:** ![rsat3acr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@rsat3acr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rsat3acr)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-simpson-has-died/1000157/82 "2024-04-11T21:03:34Z")
Best news I’ve heard all week. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-simpson-has-died/1000157/83 "2024-04-11T21:05:04Z")
I wasn’t working at the time of the trial, and I had a treadmill in my living room. Glued to my TV, I watched every minute of the trial that was televised. I was 46 years old, IOW not a kid. He did it. No question about it. It was absolutely clear from the evidence. BUT the jury was not permitted to see all of the evidence because Reasons. And many of them were furious after the trial that Judge Lance Ito (who _loved_ the spotlight) had withheld so much from them. I disagree strongly that the evidence was tainted. The evidence was nitpicked to death. That B.S. about “if the glove doesn’t fit, you must acquit” was absolute garbage. O.J. made a fist and _pretended_ the glove didn’t fit. I get hot under the collar remembering it. * * * * * * That trial was the making of Greta Van Susteren. When she started as a legal commentator, she was clearly brilliant, but was the classic mousey, drab, no-makeup, plain Jane. But she cleaned up nicely, and is still brilliant. BTW, she is a Scientologist. > **[Greta Van Susteren](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greta_Van_Susteren)** > > Greta Conway Van Susteren (born June 11, 1954) is an American commentator, lawyer, and television news anchor for Newsmax TV. She was previously on CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC. She hosted Fox News's On the Record w/ Greta Van Susteren for 14 years (2002–2016) before departing for MSNBC, where she hosted For the Record with Greta for roughly six months in 2017. On June 14, 2022, she began hosting The Record with Greta van Susteren on Newsmax. A former criminal defense and civil trial lawyer, she a... Before: [![](https://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Screen-Shot-2017-01-18-at-9.47.32-PM-650x424-1.jpg) ](https://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Screen-Shot-2017-01-18-at-9.47.32-PM-650x424-1.jpg) After: [![](https://nsjonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/16767_depositphotos_138195072_originalo.jpg) ](https://nsjonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/16767_depositphotos_138195072_originalo.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-simpson-has-died/1000157/84 "2024-04-11T21:11:45Z")
Where the Kardashians be if it weren’t for the OJ trial? ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-simpson-has-died/1000157/85 "2024-04-11T21:16:36Z")
In rightful obscurity, not infesting the media, would be my guess. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-simpson-has-died/1000157/86 "2024-04-11T21:30:18Z")
> **Hid long reply to hijack of thread** > > > [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > > > Every piece of evidence had a hole in it. It is the very definition of reasonable doubt. The verdict was correct, given the evidence. > > I’m happy to debate this, although we may get kicked out of this forum. But the evidence against OJ was _overwhelming_. And while the prosecution did fail to present a clean streamlined explanation of the case, their failure really amounted to having too much information to present and not doing so effectively. > > > [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > > > Was he guilty? Probably > > There’s really no probably. His blood was found at the crime scene. The _victims’_ blood was found in his car and on his clothes. His extra large shoe prints, matching his unique and expensive shoes, were found at the scene. Hairs matching his own were found at the scene. He had no alibi, but did have a cut to his finger in the days afterward. Somebody saw him leaving the scene. The driver who took him to the airport affirmed that he was late for his pickup. Oh, and was suicidal when it came time to be arrested. > > I’m sure I’m missing some things… > > > [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > > > it’s a case of a maverick falsifying evidence to help the prosecution when they are already sure he did it. Something that he definitely did on multiple occasions. > > Oh, yes. Mark Furman and the bloody glove at OJ’s house. > > > [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > > > What makes you so certain that he didn’t falsify the evidence in this case? > > There’s good reason to discount the idea that Furman planted the glove at OJ’s house. > > His testimony was that he arrived at the scene of the murder after more than a dozen other investigators had been there. Then, he and some other detectives went to OJ’s house . They jumped the fence and he found a bloody glove, the counterpart to one at the crime scene. > > First, to believe that Furman planted the glove, you have to believe that he retrieved it from the crime scene (unless you are postulating that he actually killed the victims). That would mean that he would have had to have found it after more than a dozen (I think he was 16th to arrive) investigators, _looking_ for evidence, had missed it. > > And upon finding it he didn’t announce it to anybody else, but instead stole the evidence because of a fully formed plot to frame OJ. > > Then, you have to believe that he planted it at OJ’s house _even though_, at that point, he had _no idea_ where OJ was. (In fact, he was in Chicago). OJ was famous; it was entirely likely that he had an ironclad alibi for the murder if in fact he was innocent. He might have been filming a commercial, for example. > > Yet, to believe that Furman planted evidence, you have to believe that Furman was willing to risk his own career (and freedom) to frame somebody who he, to that point, had no other evidence to connect with the crime. > > Knowing full well that if this frame up goes wrong it’s going to come back on _him_ as the cop who _found_ the evidence. > > And why did Furman even go to the home? Nicole’s kids - also OJs - were in the home when she was killed. It would make sense to want to inform him of what happened. > > And why jump the fence? They found blood. Incidentally, it’s blood matching OJ _and_ the victims, but at that point it was reasonable to be concerned that OJ - again, a famous person - had also been attacked. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-simpson-has-died/1000157/87 "2024-04-11T21:32:59Z")
I texted the news to my daughter, who was negative 1.4 years old when he was acquitted. She’ll only know about him from Johnny Cochrane’s line in “Spooky Mormon Hell Dream” in _The Book of Mormon_ (which we saw on Tuesday). #StealthBrag ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-simpson-has-died/1000157/88 "2024-04-11T21:38:23Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > That **lead** to OJ killing his wife Nicole, and then Ron Goldman. Then the “trial of the century” that made a mockery of jurisprudence, and an acquittal based on reverse racism. _led_ ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-simpson-has-died/1000157/89 "2024-04-11T21:57:26Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > > [@notfrommensa](#): > > > > Was there any death bed confessionals? > > .A sealed envelope containing his confession and left with his lawyer, to be opened after his death, would be interesting. > . > . It would, but it’s so unlikely as to be nearly impossible to imagine. This was a man who, I would guess, fully justified to himself what he had done. ‘She was asking for it’ and that sort of thing. What a horrific burden he put on his children. For that alone, he should be reviled. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-simpson-has-died/1000157/90 "2024-04-11T22:06:53Z")
Elon Musk hosted a couple years ago. I heard he did a pretty good job, too. During the trial, Newsweek magazine said that the sequestered jurors had their media censored to remove references to him, and someone wrote to them asking where he could subscribe to that service. I hope I don’t wonder the same thing in the days to come. Also, when the Oklahoma City bombing happened, my first thought was, “So, how long will this knock OJ off the top of the news?” The answer? TWO DAYS. The only person I have spoken to about this who thought he didn’t do it was someone who thought his son Jason did it. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-simpson-has-died/1000157/91 "2024-04-11T22:08:12Z")
I have always felt the same way about the verdict. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-simpson-has-died/1000157/92 "2024-04-11T22:13:12Z")
I remember the disbelief I felt when he was found not guilty, and for all the people cheering that verdict. Mourners will be few, I think. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-simpson-has-died/1000157/93 "2024-04-11T22:13:52Z")
On September 11, 2001, that live footage was, for a while, on every cable channel except PBS in my area. Some PBS outlets did carry it, but ours decided not to because of the children’s programming. A surprising number of irate women called TV stations to complain, because their soap operas weren’t on. ---
**Author:** ![WildaBeast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wildabeast/32/6_2.png) [@WildaBeast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildaBeast)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-simpson-has-died/1000157/94 "2024-04-11T22:15:31Z")
I was a sophomore in high school at the time. My history teacher let us watch the verdict on TV during class. That’s how big a deal it was at the time. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-simpson-has-died/1000157/95 "2024-04-11T22:16:24Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > What a horrific burden he put on his children. For that alone, he should be reviled. To me the clincher there was his book. I mean, what kind of _massively sick fuck_ makes light of a crime like that in that highly specific way?! I recall a pic of Bill Cosby walking out of one of his arraignments, sporting his “comedy face” that we’ve all seen on various shows and movies of his. Same thing; it’s like it’s all a total joke to these kind of despicable assholes. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-simpson-has-died/1000157/96 "2024-04-11T22:21:09Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > That car chase must have been on the most channels of anything ever. Not only was it on all the news channels and networks, it was also on at least ESPN, not sure about other sports channels. What other broadcast ever showed up on such a wide variety of outlets? I think 9/11 had it beat. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-simpson-has-died/1000157/97 "2024-04-11T22:21:12Z")
I agree. I’d add my own revulsion at the contempt with which too many celebrities treat the concept of laws that apply to all. (Leona Helmsley, Donald Trump, George Santos…) ---
**Author:** ![Boudicca90](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boudicca90/32/16818_2.png) [@Boudicca90](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boudicca90)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-simpson-has-died/1000157/98 "2024-04-11T22:26:02Z")
The OJ Simpson trial and the car chase was the first major event I really remember in my lifetime, and even back then as a kid, I could see from all the evidence that he was guilty. Too bad he lived as long as he did. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-simpson-has-died/1000157/99 "2024-04-11T22:28:47Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > The only person I have spoken to about this who thought he didn’t do it was someone who thought his son Jason did it. That particular theory requires the flawed belief that OJ and his son have _the same_ DNA. (As I recall, it’s based on the fact that Jason’s time card from work was inaccurate, he used knives as a chef, and he had anger issues). ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-simpson-has-died/1000157/100 "2024-04-11T22:32:07Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > First, to believe that Furman planted the glove, you have to believe that he retrieved it from the crime scene (unless you are postulating that he actually killed the victims). That would mean that he would have had to have found it after more than a dozen (I think he was 16th to arrive) investigators, _looking_ for evidence, had missed it. > > And upon finding it he didn’t announce it to anybody else, but instead stole the evidence because of a fully formed plot to frame OJ. > > Then, you have to believe that he planted it at OJ’s house _even though_, at that point, he had _no idea_ where OJ was. (In fact, he was in Chicago). OJ was famous; it was entirely likely that he had an ironclad alibi for the murder if in fact he was innocent. He might have been filming a commercial, for example. > > Yet, to believe that Furman planted evidence, you have to believe that Furman was willing to risk his own career (and freedom) to frame somebody who he, to that point, had no other evidence to connect with the crime. [I know, right?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LCq0i9uUD0) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-simpson-has-died/1000157.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-simpson-has-died/1000157.md?page=6)