# OJ sorta confesses (again) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 9, 2018, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-sorta-confesses-again/810293 "2018-03-09T18:25:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-sorta-confesses-again/810293/21 "2018-03-10T14:09:56Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > …A 6’4" schizophrenic professional chef with a history of violence, and a documented hatred of Nicole Brown, had a lot of motive to do the killing too, and enough physical power and knife skills to account for the wounds and the disposition of the bodies. [Here](https://www.villagevoice.com/2012/04/03/bill-dear-is-full-of-it-and-i-can-prove-it/) is a take down of the “son did it” theory. One thing you are not accounting for is the timeline necessary for Jason to have murdered these people and then called his dad to come over and help. It doesn’t add up. > [@](#): > > The confession is a biggie though, if true. Hard to see why OJ would confess to Rosie if he didn’t do it. His [testimony](http://articles.latimes.com/1994-12-10/news/mn-7302_1_simpson-case) was withheld on the basis of a priestly confidentiality privelege, not because it didn’t happen. > [@](#): > > And I’m not familiar with exactly how close his DNA matched the samples from the scene. Other than he was definitely there. Would his masculine child have a close enough set of alleles to match the samples, or were the samples good enough to definitely exclude Jason Simpson? Did Jason’s blood match any of the other blood samples at the scene? Did anyone check? There was a DNA match for O.J. at the scene. The only person who would have had the same match would have been a twin, which he doesn’t have. And only 3 people’s blood was found - that of the victims and of the senior Simpson. There wasn’t unaccounted for blood to identify. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-sorta-confesses-again/810293/22 "2018-03-10T14:18:11Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > One thing that has always bugged me about the crime scene is the bloody pronated footprints leading away from the gate. He was backing away before turning, perhaps. If the footprints are awkward for an athlete, they are awkward for anybody. > [@](#): > > would think that after such horrendous wounding of both Nicole and Ron Goldman, OJ would have been covered head to toe in blood and the interior of his car would be too. Both victims were killed from behind. The blood spilled in front of them. He didn’t need to be covered in blood. > [@](#): > > Also, OJ didn’t have a deep wound to his hand, it was only a small cut over one knuckle. [Cite](https://ojsimpson.co/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/OJ-Simpson-Cut-Finger-Closeup-June-13-1994.jpg) The point remains that he had a fresh cut on his hand, and he was uncertain about its origin when police first asked him about it. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-sorta-confesses-again/810293/23 "2018-03-10T14:18:25Z")
John Douglas of the FBI serial killer unitshas a great explanation for how OJ couild not have been framed by the police: At the time the police did not know where he was. He could have been giving a speech in front of thousands of people or one a plane or in Las Vegas. Yet 4 cops decided to frame him OJ did it, and I will do my Happy Dance when I hear he’s dead. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-sorta-confesses-again/810293/24 "2018-03-10T14:27:59Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > His [testimony](http://articles.latimes.com/1994-12-10/news/mn-7302_1_simpson-case) was withheld on the basis of a priestly confidentiality privelege, not because it didn’t happen. [This](http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1994-12-18/news/9412180434_1_mr-simpson-grier-and-simpson-central-jail) is a better contemporary account of the controversy surrounding Simpson’s jailhouse discussion with Grier. Grier was there in his role as a religious counselor, but a guard apparently overheard their private conversation when O.J. yelled out a confession, purportedly saying “I did it.” ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-sorta-confesses-again/810293/25 "2018-03-10T15:41:13Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > This is absurd. The evidence that OJ did it is pretty overwhelming. Just off the top of my head: > > He can’t account for where he was during the time the crime occurred; > > Shoe prints matching his shoe size and type were found at the scene; > > Blood from the scene was found on his clothes; > > A glove from the scene was found outside his home; > > He was seen by at least one person driving erratically away from the scene; > > He was late being picked up by a limo driver around the time of the murders, and behaved erratically when he did show up; > > He had a deep cut on his hand when he was interviewed by police a few days later; > > Some of his hairs were found in the knit cap left at the scene, which presumably was worn by the killer; > > A prison guard heard OJ confess to Rosie Grier when he was visiting OJ in jail… > > And then there’s something about a DNA match (one of the biggest things missed in the trial is that, if the DNA analysis is done via a tainted sample, it won’t produce any match, as opposed to a false positive). FWIW, I think OJ is guilty. But most of the bullets points were known to LAPD a day or two after the murders. Yet OJ was arrested until 5 days after the murder. Yes he was OJ Simpson, but in the view of the LAPD, he was a double murderer, on the loose. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-sorta-confesses-again/810293/26 "2018-03-10T16:15:21Z")
OJ was trying to make money (over a decade ago) and he wrote a book and did an interview. I wouldn’t take seriously anything he said. He’s naturally going to say practically anything to get attention. Goldman put an end it too it long ago. Seized ownership rights and left OJ with nothing. Now they drag it out again. To make a buck. This time for those low life, ratings hungry journalists and tv producers. Who have no qualms at exploiting a murdered woman. I’ve scrapped stuff off the bottom of my shoe that I respect more than these scumbags. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-sorta-confesses-again/810293/27 "2018-03-10T16:48:13Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > …Goldman put an end it too it long ago. Seized ownership rights and left OJ with nothing… Well, not really nothing. Simpson has all kinds of [retirement income](http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/20/news/o-j-simpson-retirement-income/index.html) that’s protected from civil suits. ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-sorta-confesses-again/810293/28 "2018-03-10T17:08:01Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > …I saw him “pretend” the glove didn’t fit…O.J. did it. No question. I you are so certain, why is ‘pretend’ in quotation marks? mmm ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-sorta-confesses-again/810293/29 "2018-03-10T17:28:54Z")
> [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](#): > > I you are so certain, why is ‘pretend’ in quotation marks? If you were watching when it happened, it was obvious what a farce it was. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-sorta-confesses-again/810293/30 "2018-03-10T18:26:41Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > [Here](https://www.villagevoice.com/2012/04/03/bill-dear-is-full-of-it-and-i-can-prove-it/) is a take down of the “son did it” theory. One thing you are not accounting for is the timeline necessary for Jason to have murdered these people and then called his dad to come over and help. It doesn’t add up. > His [testimony](http://articles.latimes.com/1994-12-10/news/mn-7302_1_simpson-case) was withheld on the basis of a priestly confidentiality privelege, not because it didn’t happen. > There was a DNA match for O.J. at the scene. The only person who would have had the same match would have been a twin, which he doesn’t have. And only 3 people’s blood was found - that of the victims and of the senior Simpson. There wasn’t unaccounted for blood to identify. That’s what I was looking for, thanks. Great answers to my questions. Didn’t know if a son would be a close enough match, but if no, and the only blood there is those three, then that’s good enough for me. “Spiritual adviser?” LOL. It’s good to have money. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-sorta-confesses-again/810293/31 "2018-03-10T20:34:41Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > I think he did it. And I think part of him _needs_ to tell. I like this theory. Aren’t there quite a few killers that feel the need to confess about their crime or at least leave enough clues to get caught? ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-sorta-confesses-again/810293/32 "2018-03-10T20:42:25Z")
this right here > [@](#): > > Another theory was that O.J. took arthritis medication and had been off it, so his hands were swollen. O.J. was on regular prescription meds and he stopped them for 2 day so the joints in his hands became swollen. ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-sorta-confesses-again/810293/33 "2018-03-10T22:36:49Z")
> [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](#): > > I you are so certain, why is ‘pretend’ in quotation marks? > [@terentii](#): > > If you were watching when it happened, it was obvious what a farce it was. Which is why I don’t understand why he was “pretending” as opposed to pretending. And if his hands were swollen, as many say, he wouldn’t have had to pretend at all. mmm ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-sorta-confesses-again/810293/34 "2018-03-10T23:15:23Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > He was backing away before turning, perhaps. If the footprints are awkward for an athlete, they are awkward for anybody. > Both victims were killed from behind. The blood spilled in front of them. He didn’t need to be covered in blood. > The point remains that he had a fresh cut on his hand, and he was uncertain about its origin when police first asked him about it. But the pronated footprints were all along the pathway, not just where he might have turned around. I may be wrong but my recollection is that Ron Goldman was said to have put up quite a fight and had wounds all over his body, including the front of his legs and so forth. And yes, the cut was fresh but it was also small and very much unlike the sort of wounds people often incur when stabbing other people to death, where their hands slip down the wet handle and over the blade. Still, I suppose it could have happened had he been holding onto someone and inadvertently drew the blade across his knuckle. Other things that are puzzling are why there wasn’t a lot of blood on the steering wheel and gear shift? Why was no blood found in any of the shower drains at OJ’s house? How did he get rid of the clothes he was wearing and the knife and still get back home in time to get ready to be driven to the airport…and to hide or get rid of them so well that the huge investigation that followed was never able to locate them? There are just a huge number of unanswerable questions that complicate the “OJ did it” scenario. I’m a white guy but I have to say that had I been on that jury I’d have had to vote not guilty because to me the case that he did it was just not proven. I’d have thought it likely that he did it, but not beyond a reasonable doubt. And particularly so considering the fact that incriminating blood evidence continued to be found weeks after the murder, the prosecution had him jumping over the neighbor’s backyard fence and banging into Kato Kaelin’s air conditioner where he supposedly dropped one of the bloody gloves while at the same time parking his car at an angle in front of the house and walking in through the front door. And once again, no blood evidence on the front door knob, the outer door handle of the car, the sink and shower drains, no blood anywhere in the house except for a drop on one of his socks, etc. A guilty OJ would have had to accomplish a great many extraordinary things in a very short period of time to account for all this, and I just don’t see how it’s possible. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-sorta-confesses-again/810293/35 "2018-03-11T00:40:00Z")
[Moderating] Although this thread started because of a new TV special, none of the discussion past the OP has been about that, so it doesn’t look like this thread really fits in CS. How about I bump it over to the Pit? I get the feeling that some of you would appreciate the opportunity to really let loose, here. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-sorta-confesses-again/810293/36 "2018-03-11T04:42:49Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > But the pronated footprints were all along the pathway, not just where he might have turned around. So, what’s your point? How many different footprints are there? What’s your theory? The evidence reflects that somebody wearing size 12 Bruno Magli shoes walked from the crime scene to the alley where a car was parked. Next to those footprints (which match OJ) are drops of blood which match up to O.J. > [@](#): > > I may be wrong but my recollection is that Ron Goldman was said to have put up quite a fight and had wounds all over his body, including the front of his legs and so forth. So? The prevailing theory is the killer was bear hugging him from behind while stabbing his torso. Most of the blood splatter would be shielded by Goldman’s body. > [@](#): > > And yes, the cut was fresh but it was also small and very much unlike the sort of wounds people often incur when stabbing other people to death, where their hands slip down the wet handle and over the blade. Still, I suppose it could have happened had he been holding onto someone and inadvertently drew the blade across his knuckle. This is a fallacy that many CTs run into. Regardless of whether you believe the evidence is to be expected, it exists. It is incontrovertible that OJ’s blood was at the scene. It is incontrovertible that the murderer utilized a knife. It is incontrovertible that O.J. had a fresh cut on his hand days later. And it is incontrovertible that when first [asked](http://famous-trials.com/simpson/1860-ojstatement) about it by the police, he said he wasn’t sure where he got it, then later admitted opening a cut and bleeding in his car. > [@](#): > > Other things that are puzzling are why there wasn’t a lot of blood on the steering wheel and gear shift? How much was found? How much do you expect? Is it not true that the blood of both murder victims was found in O.J.’s car, which was seen later parked at his home? > [@](#): > > Why was no blood found in any of the shower drains at OJ’s house? It was found, and was [testified](http://articles.latimes.com/1996-11-06/local/me-61917_1_blood-evidence) to in the civil trial. Judge Ito didn’t allow it in the criminal trial because of the possibility of false positives. That’s a mistake, in my opinion. The possibility of false positives goes to the weight of the evidence, not whether it is scientifically viable. > [@](#): > > How did he get rid of the clothes he was wearing and the knife and still get back home in time to get ready to be driven to the airport…and to hide or get rid of them so well that the huge investigation that followed was never able to locate them? The prevailing theory is that he stuffed it in a bag he brought in the limo and he threw the bag away once he arrived at the airport. He was insistent about handling one carry-on bag when he met up with Kato and the limo driver. > [@](#): > > There are just a huge number of unanswerable questions that complicate the “OJ did it” scenario. I’m a white guy but I have to say that had I been on that jury I’d have had to vote not guilty because to me the case that he did it was just not proven. I’d have thought it likely that he did it, but not beyond a reasonable doubt. And particularly so considering the fact that incriminating blood evidence continued to be found weeks after the murder, the prosecution had him jumping over the neighbor’s backyard fence and banging into Kato Kaelin’s air conditioner where he supposedly dropped one of the bloody gloves while at the same time parking his car at an angle in front of the house and walking in through the front door. And once again, no blood evidence on the front door knob, the outer door handle of the car, the sink and shower drains, no blood anywhere in the house except for a drop on one of his socks, etc. A guilty OJ would have had to accomplish a great many extraordinary things in a very short period of time to account for all this, and I just don’t see how it’s possible. The job of a juror isn’t to conceive of schemes that could have happened. The obligation is to deal with all of the evidence as it exists, without just discounting the inconvenient parts because they can imagine alternative explanations for individual facts. You must analyze everything, thereby giving allowance for unexpected surprise or unexplained questions. Having said that, I question your complete recollection of the facts. [Here](https://www.google.com/amp/www.spokesman.com/stories/1995/mar/29/limousine-driver-puts-dent-in-oj-simpsons-alibi/%3famp-content=amp) is a contemporary report of the driver’s testimony - the car wasn’t parked on the street when he was looking for the house, OJ was late responding to his buzzing the gate, and he saw a person walk across the driveway before OJ finally responded. Please cite the questionable information you reference. Finally, recall that today’s analysis need not be limited to what his jury heard. We can also consider those things they never heard, such as the [woman](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/oj-witness-who-never-testified-fears-his-parole-you-never-know-what-will-make-him-flip-1010581) who saw him driving erratically away from the crime scene. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-sorta-confesses-again/810293/37 "2018-03-11T15:05:07Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Fox on Sunday is airing … > . Rarely do I lose interest in a thread because of the very first fucking word in the thread. Not only that, but who really gives a fuck about that lying loser. Definitely will not watch. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-sorta-confesses-again/810293/38 "2018-03-12T14:34:56Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Well, not really nothing. Simpson has all kinds of [retirement income](http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/20/news/o-j-simpson-retirement-income/index.html) that’s protected from civil suits. He’s also got a big-ass house in Florida that is protected under our homestead law. > [@elbows](#): > > I think he did it. And I think part of him _needs_ to tell. How he beat a murder charge. Maybe he even thinks it’s his ticket back to public renown, fame and fortune. > > I think before he goes to his grave, he’ll probably confess. He’s already beaten the murder charge and lost the civil case. There’s no reason for him _not_ to confess now - especially if the motive is profit. I’ve always thought he did it, but I didn’t pay much attention to the case at the time because I didn’t have a reason to care about him (he wasn’t a celebrity in the UK except among black people, and even that was really only because of the case). But I’ve also always thought there was more to it than the prosecution theory, and that’s why they lost. ---
**Author:** ![Lancia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lancia/32/17174_2.png) [@Lancia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lancia)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-sorta-confesses-again/810293/39 "2018-03-12T15:37:16Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > I think before he goes to his grave, he’ll probably confess. > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > He’s already beaten the murder charge and lost the civil case. There’s no reason for him _not_ to confess now - especially if the motive is profit. I remember one of our resident lawyers here—probably **Bricker** —discussing real life double jeopardy laws vs. Hollywood versions. In the movie _Double Jeopardy_ IIRC (and it’s been a long time since I’ve seen it) Ashley Judd’s character claims she can kill her husband in front of a city of witnesses and not be tried for the crime because she’s already been tried and found guilty of murdering him once before. Bricker or whoever it was stated that in real life she’d be back in the pokey and would be put on trial again. The double jeopardy laws don’t apply because trial #2 would be based on a new set of evidence. So, getting back to OJ. He’s been found not guilty in Brown and Goldman’s death once already. However, if he actually confessed to the murder would he be eligible (if that’s the right word) for another trial since there would be new evidence? And since we’re in the Pit, fuck OJ with a rusty chainsaw. While I’m sure there was enough reasonable doubt in the minds of the jury (as someone upthread noted a lot of what the public saw was kept from the jury), the mountain of evidence against him is just too much for a coincidence. The asshole should’ve been locked up in a little room in San Quentin for the rest of his life. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-sorta-confesses-again/810293/40 "2018-03-12T15:45:31Z")
I think you are misremembering Bricker’s discussion. Ashley Judd could have been retried because her husband _wasn’t actually dead_. The fact that she was convicted of killing him did not prevent the state from charging her if she did in fact kill him later on. Charges for killing her husband “in front of a city of witnesses” would be based on a new _crime_, not new evidence - that is, an entirely new set of facts other than the identity of the parties. If new evidence arises in OJ’s case (as in fact it did, with the murder weapon being found a couple of years ago), tough shit. OJ didn’t testify at trial, so he can’t be charged with perjury either. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-sorta-confesses-again/810293.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oj-sorta-confesses-again/810293.md?page=3)