# OK Alabama **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 12, 2017, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253 "2017-12-12T02:13:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/201 "2017-12-13T05:00:00Z")
Widespread agreement on Twitter: Steve Bannon is a political genius. [INDENT][INDENT] David French: Consider for a moment the magnitude of Steve Bannon’s genius. Not every man can make an AL senate race close. Steve Bannon can. Josh Holmes: Before we get the results, I’d just like to thank Steve Bannon for showing us how to lose the reddest state in the union and Governor Ivey for the opportunity to make this national embarrassment a reality Jamie Weinstein: Take a moment and consider the utter incompetence of having nothing really to do with Moore’s primary victory, but rushing to claim responsibility for it, and thus now being seen as responsible for this disaster. I give you Steve Bannon. [/INDENT][/INDENT] [Roy Moore lost Alabama’s Senate race, and Steve Bannon’s GOP critics are blaming him - Vox](https://www.vox.com/2017/12/12/16770678/roy-moore-loses-steve-bannon) ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/202 "2017-12-13T05:03:57Z")
Oh, and yay, Alabama! Is this a good predictor for strong turnaround in the mid-terms? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/203 "2017-12-13T05:05:53Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I would bet $20 that, as I type this, Trump is unaware that Roy Moore lost. I will not take that bet. The tweet we saw from his account was coherent. Dead giveaway. When he wakes at 4:00 am and looks for his binkie, there will be a twitterstorm. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/204 "2017-12-13T05:11:56Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Wow. All it took was nominating a twice removed anti-constitutionalist who likes fondling teenaged girls, hates minorities, and is is an all around repugnant human being for the Republicans to lose (temporarily) a Senate seat in Alabama. I know, right? Looks like we finally found the bar… ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/205 "2017-12-13T05:20:18Z")
In case anyone hasn’t enjoyed it yet, here is Jake Tapper calling out Moore’s spokesbeing on his ignorance. Just after the 3:00 mark or so, the being in question has one of the best deer-in-the-headlights-because-you-caught-me-being-dumb moments ever. > **[Roy Moore's spokesman just gave one of the craziest and most frightening...](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/12/1723666/-Roy-Moore-s-spokesman-just-gave-one-of-the-craziest-and-most-frightening-interviews-ever)** > > CNN’s Jake Tapper had Roy Moore spokesperson Ted Crockett on his show just a short while ago. Tapper hit Crockett with some pretty straightforward questions and the results were … insane. When Tapper first asks Crockett whether or not Roy... ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/206 "2017-12-13T05:23:52Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > In case anyone hasn’t enjoyed it yet, here is Jake Tapper calling out Moore’s spokesbeing on his ignorance. Just after the 3:00 mark or so, the being in question has one of the best deer-in-the-headlights-because-you-caught-me-being-dumb moments ever. > > [Roy Moore's spokesman just gave one of the craziest and most frightening interviews ever](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/12/1723666/-Roy-Moore-s-spokesman-just-gave-one-of-the-craziest-and-most-frightening-interviews-ever) You have to factor in the slack-jaw gaping mouth. Goldfish-caught-in-the-headlights. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/207 "2017-12-13T05:24:50Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Oh, and yay, Alabama! Is this a good predictor for strong turnaround in the mid-terms? It’s not a _strong_ signal by any means (not every republican will be dogged by accusations of molesting a 14-year-old going into the election in 2018), but it continues the pattern of republicans barely losing or outright losing seats which very well ought to have been _completely_ safe. So call this a definite good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/208 "2017-12-13T05:25:53Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Oh, and yay, Alabama! Is this a good predictor for strong turnaround in the mid-terms? Democratic turnout, compared to presidential years and midterms, is reduced by less than would be expected. Meaning in a midterm election, turnout is about 30% lower than in a presidential year. In a special election, turnout may be ~50% lower than in a presidential year. In congressional district Z, during a presidential year election both parties may be 1 million votes. In a midterm both parties would get 700,000 votes. In a special election they may only get 500,000 votes. GOP turnout is about where you’d expect it, 30-50% lower than presidential year turnout for congressional races. But democratic turnout is only about 10-20% lower. So the GOP gets 500,000 votes, the democrat gets 800,000 votes. Both still are doing worse than in presidential years. In Alabama in the last presidential year election the GOP got 1.3 million votes in the AL senate. The dems got something like 748k. In the special election today, both candidates got about 650k votes. Both did worse than the candidates in the 2016 AL senate races, but the dem only saw a slight decline in votes. GOP voter turnout was cut in half. So 2018 ‘should’ be a blowout because more republicans will stay home vs democrats. However 2020 may be a closer race. Democrats will still win in 2020, but not nearly as big as they’ll likely win in 2018. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/209 "2017-12-13T06:04:46Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > …Goldfish-caught-in-the-headlights… I stole it first! Mine! Back off! ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/210 "2017-12-13T06:06:12Z")
The NY Daily News hits it out of the park with their cover. The headline is “Screw You and the Horse You Rode In On” > **[NY Daily News hits Moore: ‘Screw you and horse you rode in on’](https://thehill.com/homenews/media/364622-ny-daily-news-hits-moore-screw-you-and-horse-you-rode-in-on/)** > > The New York Daily News mocked Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore (R) after his loss in Tuesday’s special election.“SCREW YOU & HORSE YOU RODE IN ON,” the cover reads, alongside a photo of Moor… Priceless. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/211 "2017-12-13T06:55:38Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You have to factor in the slack-jaw gaping mouth. > Goldfish-caught-in-the-headlights. To see him interviewed by Tucker Carlson would be an entertainment. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/212 "2017-12-13T08:38:26Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > The NY Daily News hits it out of the park with their cover. > > The headline is “Screw You and the Horse You Rode In On” > > [http://thehill.com/homenews/media/364622-ny-daily-news-hits-moore-screw-you-and-horse-you-rode-in-on](http://thehill.com/homenews/media/364622-ny-daily-news-hits-moore-screw-you-and-horse-you-rode-in-on) > > Priceless. That is priceless. Have a nice day Moore, or less, whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/213 "2017-12-13T08:44:36Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > You have a problem with trade unions? Obviously, yes. At times in history they’ve been the lesser fo two evils, but they fundamentally exist to promote the rights of one group of people over others. Not to mention that in practice they are largely corrupt. > [@](#): > > I only insult the teddysexual.#NotAllFurries Yep, you think sexual preference is a laughing matter and are happy to laugh at ones you don’t like. You sad, pathetic hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/214 "2017-12-13T08:45:38Z")
Excellent. So, even Republicans have their limits. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/215 "2017-12-13T09:25:14Z")
Mueller sending a couple of indictments down the pipe would make for a lovely grace note to the evening’s festivities. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/216 "2017-12-13T11:20:51Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Excellent. So, even Republicans have their limits. Some of them. Mostly it was the increased black turnout that made the difference - the white folk still went overwhelmingly for Moore. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/217 "2017-12-13T11:54:56Z")
A parcel from Moore’s speech on [CNN.com](http://CNN.com), of course he’s saying “It ain’t over”. At worst, he’s a teen fucking loon. At best, he’s fucking delusional. \*"…But we also know that God is always in control. You know, part of the thing – part of the problem with this campaign is we’ve been painted in an unfavorable and unfaithful light. We’ve been put in a hole, if you will. And it reminds me of a passage in Psalms 40. I waited patiently for the Lord, that’s what you got to do. He inclined to me, heard my cry, brought us up out of a horrible pit, out of slimy clay and set me feet on the rock and established my goings and put a new song in our mouth. Praise to our God. Many shall see it and hear it and shall be moved by that, if you will. And that’s what we’ve got to do, is wait on God and let this process play out."\* ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/218 "2017-12-13T12:08:17Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Obviously, yes. I don’t understand why “obviously” - you clearly don’t know what anarchism is compared to anarchy, who knows what you’re thinking in Crazy Town. > [@](#): > > At times in history they’ve been the lesser fo two evils, _Solidarność_, merely the lesser “fo” two evils. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > but they fundamentally exist to promote the rights of one group of people over others. That’s bullshit. Any _particular_ union exists to promote the rights and interests of its own members, sure, like\* just about every other fucking group ever\*, but anyone else should be free to form their own syndicate, too. The union system _as a whole_ shouldn’t exist to do anything but allow collective engagement _by any group_. > [@](#): > > Not to mention that in practice they are largely corrupt. Tell that to the Scandinavians. Not every union is the Teamsters. > [@](#): > > Yep, you think sexual preference is a laughing matter and are happy to laugh at ones you don’t like. The only sexual preferences I laugh at are ones where the poor stuffed victims don’t get a chance to meaningfully consent. It’s just unfortunate that that conflicts with your teddy-diddling proclivities, **Steo**. > [@](#): > > You sad, pathetic hypocrite. Awww, look at the Cowardly Liar, _still_ trying to turn it around. Any day now, **Steo** , any day… ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/219 "2017-12-13T12:11:54Z")
Is Moore going to afford an appeal? I mean, no-one in the main GOP in their right mind\* is going to fund it, yes? \*I realise I set a low bar, there. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/220 "2017-12-13T12:14:42Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I don’t understand why “obviously” - you clearly don’t know what anarchism is compared to anarchy, who knows what you’re thinking in Crazy Town._Solidarność_, merely the lesser “fo” two evils. :rolleyes: That’s bullshit. Any _particular_ union exists to promote the rights and interests of its own members, sure, like\* just about every other fucking group ever\*, but anyone else should be free to form their own syndicate, too. The union system _as a whole_ shouldn’t exist to do anything but allow collective engagement _by any group_. > Tell that to the Scandinavians. Not every union is the Teamsters.The only sexual preferences I laugh at are ones where the poor stuffed victims don’t get a chance to meaningfully consent. > > It’s just unfortunate that that conflicts with your teddy-diddling proclivities, **Steo**.Awww, look at the Cowardly Liar, _still_ trying to turn it around. Any day now, **Steo** , any day… Could you two go consummate somewhere else? Your slap-and-tickle is harshing my morning _Schadenfreude_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253.md?page=12)