# OK Alabama **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 12, 2017, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253 "2017-12-12T02:13:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/221 "2017-12-13T12:20:09Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Could you two go consummate somewhere else? Your slap-and-tickle is harshing my morning _Schadenfreude_. šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/222 "2017-12-13T12:29:09Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Itā€™s not a _strong_ signal by any means (not every republican will be dogged by accusations of molesting a 14-year-old going into the election in 2018), but it continues the pattern of republicans barely losing or outright losing seats which very well ought to have been _completely_ safe. So call this a definite good thing. I donā€™t think this is part of any pattern. The Republican Party rejected this guy and put no money into the campaign while the democrats put all their weight behind it. A lot of republicans stayed home because they couldnā€™t vote for him. Itā€™s Alabama so when this short senate term is up it will go back to R if they put up anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/223 "2017-12-13T13:29:00Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Donā€™t know if I want to name names, because Iā€™ll probably wake up tomorrow with their names in the headline on the next sexual harassment scandal. > > Franken would probably one, if not for his recent fall. > > I actually really liked howard dean, not that he is really all that relevant these days. > > Elizabeth Warrenā€™s cool, but she may have too much baggage. > > Iā€™m particular to Sherrod Brown, but Iā€™ve actually had many conversations with him, and heā€™s my state senator, so I may be biased. > > Donā€™t know if he is relevant, but I liked Martin Oā€™Malley, if Clinton hadnā€™t been running, he probably would have been a good pick. > > Hell, it sounds like Kasich is about to defect from the republican party. I could see use for him in leadership roles in a new democratic party. > > Anyway, it does seem as though any name you can throw out, thereā€™s a ā€œbutā€ to it. I am just saying, maybe those ā€œbutsā€ donā€™t need to be as big a stumbling block as we make them into. I would also include Kamala Harris in this list. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/224 "2017-12-13T13:29:57Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > So treat them light years better than they treat the objects of their bigotry? If weā€™re just nice enough to the bigots they will see the light? > > Has this ever worked anywhere? I didnā€™t say it would be an overnight success. Treating them like adversaries wonā€™t work at all. Getting an understanding of why they think like they do is a better alternative than constantly being in combat with them. Let me try a different tack: did you ever experience a fundamental shift in opinion? Did a teacher, author, friend, SDMB, ever inspire you to change your outlook on life for the better? Did you ever discard the old way of thinking and discover something more beneficial? Was it done from constant shaming and fighting, or by positive reinforcement and encouragement? How can what changed your life change the way a racist thinks? No, itā€™s not easy. But maybe Jonesā€™s win will be the start. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/225 "2017-12-13T13:33:38Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I donā€™t think this is part of any pattern. The Republican Party rejected this guy and put no money into the campaign while the democrats put all their weight behind it. A lot of republicans stayed home because they couldnā€™t vote for him. Itā€™s Alabama so when this short senate term is up it will go back to R if they put up anyone else. Iā€™m about 90% in agreement with you, Loach; for example, if ā€œBigā€ Luther Strange had been running instead of Moore, heā€™d have won by 7-8 points, no problem (IMHO of course). I will say that if Jones stays a moderate Democrat in his voting and if the Republicans/Trump manage to keep screwing up for three more years, it is barely possible that Jones could win in 2020ā€“but those are two big ā€˜ifā€™sā€™ and one very large ā€˜barelyā€™ there. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/226 "2017-12-13T13:58:59Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > The Republican Party rejected this guy and put no money into the campaign while the democrats put all their weight behind it. Late in the game several Republicans, including Trump, campaigned for him. Granted it was half-hearted, but they did attempt to put their weight behind him. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/227 "2017-12-13T14:00:15Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Could you two go consummate somewhere else? Your slap-and-tickle is harshing my morning _Schadenfreude_. Now that Moore-Jones is settled we need a new contest to watch. Personally I canā€™t decide between the dishonest authoritarian and the guy who uses the term ā€œsyndicalist collectiveā€ unironically - thereā€™s just so much to root against on both sides. Itā€™s like Trump-Sanders writ very small. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/228 "2017-12-13T14:21:11Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Late in the game several Republicans, including Trump, campaigned for him. Granted it was half-hearted, but they did attempt to put their weight behind him. Also the RNC ended up sending him money after the initial storm had died down a bit and it looked like he could win. Maybe they didnā€™t send as much money as they otherwise would have, but they did send money. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/229 "2017-12-13T14:46:08Z")
Letā€™s never forget this part, from just a few days ago: > [@](#): > > ā€œIt is Donald Trump on trial in Alabama,ā€ Dean Young, a strategist for Moore, told ABC News. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/230 "2017-12-13T14:52:50Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > Also the RNC ended up sending him money after the initial storm had died down a bit and it looked like he could win. Maybe they didnā€™t send as much money as they otherwise would have, but they did send money. But did they send guns and lawyers? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/231 "2017-12-13T15:19:43Z")
As great as this was, I know that the only way Jones wins in 2020 is if Bannon, having somehow not reverted back to the puddle of slime that forms him, throws all his money into a candidate that openly says he wants to stab all the minorities, openly froths about literally crucifying Muslims, Jews and Atheists at the podium, and says the Bible & Jeebus are just fine with his 3rd marriage to a 13 year old cousin while said bride is openly in tears about the arrangement on stage. Said Candidate still gets 80% of the white male vote in Alabama. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/232 "2017-12-13T15:22:20Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > As great as this was, I know that the only way Jones wins in 2020 is if Bannon, having somehow not reverted back to the puddle of slime that forms him, throws all his money into a candidate that openly says he wants to stab all the minorities, openly froths about literally crucifying Muslims, Jews and Atheists at the podium, and says the Bible & Jeebus are just fine with his 3rd marriage to a 13 year old cousin while said bride is openly in tears about the arrangement on stage. > > Said Candidate still gets 80% of the white male vote in Alabama. In all fairness, that 80% probably had trouble reading the ballot. They donā€™t know who they voted for. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/233 "2017-12-13T15:22:41Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > Also the RNC ended up sending him money after the initial storm had died down a bit and it looked like he could win. Maybe they didnā€™t send as much money as they otherwise would have, but they did send money. I didnā€™t do extensive research but from what I read the big PAC money was not sent into the campaign. For a senate seat while there is a very small majority that is very telling. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/234 "2017-12-13T15:26:05Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > ā€¦Itā€™s Alabama so when this short senate term is up it will go back to R if they put up anyone else. I think youā€™ve totally under estimated the ability of trump to piss off Republicans. Give trump time and it will become the United Blue States of America. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/235 "2017-12-13T16:00:45Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > The NY Daily News hits it out of the park with their cover. > > The headline is ā€œScrew You and the Horse You Rode In Onā€ > > [http://thehill.com/homenews/media/364622-ny-daily-news-hits-moore-screw-you-and-horse-you-rode-in-on](http://thehill.com/homenews/media/364622-ny-daily-news-hits-moore-screw-you-and-horse-you-rode-in-on) > > Priceless. LOL, ā€œteen-loving Mooreā€. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/236 "2017-12-13T16:37:48Z")
ā€œAccused sex predator Roy Moore, seen riding his steed Sassy to vote in Alabama on Tuesday, made a horseā€™s ass of himself by losing Senate race in a deep red state to Democrat Doug Jones.ā€ It just kind of noticed that Iā€™ve never seen Trump hit back at the NY Daily News, probably the most blatant anti-Trump media outlet of them all. Hmmmmā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/237 "2017-12-13T16:52:31Z")
Damn, I so love NY papers. Hell even the POST went for the ā€œhorse you rode in onā€ cover, too. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/238 "2017-12-13T17:05:36Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > The NY Daily News hits it out of the park with their cover. > > The headline is ā€œScrew You and the Horse You Rode In Onā€ > > [http://thehill.com/homenews/media/364622-ny-daily-news-hits-moore-screw-you-and-horse-you-rode-in-on](http://thehill.com/homenews/media/364622-ny-daily-news-hits-moore-screw-you-and-horse-you-rode-in-on) > > Priceless. [Roy Mooreā€™s Horse](https://twitter.com/roymooreshorse) is so relieved! ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/239 "2017-12-13T17:35:57Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Damn, I so love NY papers. > > Hell even the POST went for the ā€œhorse you rode in onā€ cover, too. [Hereā€™s the cover for those interested,](https://nypost.com/cover/covers-for-december-13-2017/) with the eyebrow headline (above the main) : ā€œPerv Moore loses in Alabama.ā€ Wow, even the right wing rags are getting in on it. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/240 "2017-12-13T17:41:31Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > These are people, not bears. Do they want to be treated like animals or like rational, thinking humans? Because when rational, thinking humans vote for the creepy pedophile because ā€œheā€™s OUR creepy pedophileā€ then they deserve to be called out on it. I agree, and I for one am glad that fascist, racist, dominionist, hypocrite, child molesting, son of a bitch lost. I am especially pleased that the pundits are saying it was the black vote and women vote - especially black women - that led to his lossā€¦ In a state where supposedly Dixie Repubs canā€™t lose. May he choke on that. I hope the stink of supporting a child molester like him hangs and lingers on the GOP for decades, if not forever. Still, itā€™s pretty damning that the ā€œraceā€ was as close as it was. The fucker should have never had a shot. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253.md?page=13)