# OK Alabama **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 12, 2017, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253 "2017-12-12T02:13:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2017, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/261 "2017-12-14T16:58:43Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > You have a problem with trade unions? > [@Steophan](#): > > Obviously, yes. At times in history they’ve been the lesser fo two evils, but they fundamentally exist to promote the rights of one group of people over others. The “right” of an employer to hire employees on terms he sets unilaterally (that being the only thing that can possibly be infringed by unions) seems to be missing from my copies of Locke, Jefferson, etc. Can you direct me to your source? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2017, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/262 "2017-12-14T17:05:18Z")
The weakness of strategic gerrymandering. You set up districts where you can fairly depend to win, but spread out so that you win the majority of districts after cramming all the other teams votes in fewer districts. So, you have maybe thirty districts, and can expect to lose half a dozen by huge margins, but win most all of the rest by narrow margins, but still win. Trouble is, if the perceived electorate shifts even slightly, you might lose _all_ of those by the same narrow margin, or even less. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2017, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/263 "2017-12-14T17:10:14Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I got some quotes for HIS ass… > > Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of My Father in heaven. On that day many will say to Me, Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’ Then I will announce to them, I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’ > > Matthew 23:27-28″Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness. > > Romans 10:3 Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. > > _I like the next one…_ > > Matthew 24:51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. > > _And as far as his constant and sickening bleating about Christians and values bullshit…_ > > Romans 2:14-15 Even Gentiles, who do not have God’s written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it. They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right. > > John 4:20 If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. > > _I like this one too, as Moore apparently thought he’d never be called on his racism and child molesting…_ > > Luke 12:2 Nothing is covered up that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known. > I guess those are enough. Nah, you left out one particularly apropos to Moore: Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2017, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/264 "2017-12-14T17:14:27Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > I have no idea what that means, but could it possibly mean 1000 state legislative seats could flip in 2018? Fox news constantly likes to talk about how ‘under Obama, democrats lost 1000 state legislature seats’. Which is true. However the dems started at a very high level in 2009 and most of those 1000 seats were lost in 2010. > > Could the democrats get back to where they were in 2009, when they controlled something like 2/3 of state legislatures? > > If all goes well, not only could the democrats win the federal house in 2018, they could win the federal senate and possibly 800+ state legislature seats and who knows how many governorships. Just so long as we turn out. Democrats controlling state governments in 2020 also has implications for the rest of that decade, since they’ll control much of the new Congressional district mapping. Already, the GOP hold on the House is dependent on gerrymandering (the Democrats got more total votes for their candidates); if that goes away (or, acknowledging that the Democrats are not saints, if the new lines are gerrymandered in the opposite direction) they lose the House with no realistic prospect of regaining it until 2032. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2017, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/265 "2017-12-14T17:20:24Z")
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**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2017, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/266 "2017-12-14T17:52:27Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Joe Biden threw out Senator Harris’s name this morning in suggesting potential Presidential candidates. Tried to respond with a question mark smilie and then an angry one but they seem to be disabled right now. > [@asahi](#): > > What concerns me is that Republicans nationwide also see this and are probably determined to find even more ways to rig the vote. Republicans are increasingly, desperately becoming anti-democratic because from their point of view, they are fighting for their survival. They know that the majority of people do not share their worldview, and while that makes them vulnerable, it also makes them dangerous. But voter fraud! ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/267 "2017-12-14T18:43:22Z")
And the conspiracy theories are out in full bloom: > **[Alex Jones Is Making Roy Moore Election Conspiracy Theories Even Nuttier](https://www.yahoo.com/news/alex-jones-making-roy-moore-175409032.html)** > > “It really is biblical." ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2017, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/268 "2017-12-14T18:54:01Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > And the conspiracy theories are out in full bloom: > [Alex Jones Is Making Roy Moore Election Conspiracy Theories Even Nuttier](https://www.yahoo.com/news/alex-jones-making-roy-moore-175409032.html) Don’t have a cite, but wasn’t it yesterday that the losing team was claiming 5000 felons voted illegally in the election? ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2017, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/269 "2017-12-14T19:12:20Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > The “right” of an employer to hire employees on terms he sets unilaterally (that being the only thing that can possibly be infringed by unions) seems to be missing from my copies of Locke, Jefferson, etc. Can you direct me to your source? No, they infringe upon the right of both employer and worker to negotiate terms or even, in the case of closed shops, to even contract for employment on any terms. Giving too much power to the small group of people who are workers in essential industries - that is, where a strike causes widespread hardship to the general population - is just as bad as giving too much power to the small group of people who have the most wealth. Both harm the majority of people for the benefit of a minority. Of course, in an imperfect world, unions may sometimes be better than the alternative. But they are not an ideal, and far too many are corrupt organisations that don’t even help their members, let alone society as a whole. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/270 "2017-12-14T20:24:16Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > And the conspiracy theories are out in full bloom: > [Alex Jones Is Making Roy Moore Election Conspiracy Theories Even Nuttier](https://www.yahoo.com/news/alex-jones-making-roy-moore-175409032.html) [Here is the major take down](https://twitter.com/jonrog1/status/941083157712969728) of the ‘bussed in voters’ foolishness (John Rogers is one of the creators of ‘Leverage’, which explains his reference to writing cons). ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2017, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/271 "2017-12-14T20:31:39Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > [Here is the major take down](https://twitter.com/jonrog1/status/941083157712969728) of the ‘bussed in voters’ foolishness (John Rogers is one of the creators of ‘Leverage’, which explains his reference to writing cons). Good lord, it should be illegal to do that to someone in public…:eek: ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2017, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/272 "2017-12-14T20:37:37Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I fully admit to predicting the race wrong and one of the main reasons was my fear that voter suppression efforts would help Moore get past the finish line. As it turns out, despite some very serious voter suppression efforts, black Alabamians voted anyway, and in very large numbers.worldview, and while that makes them vulnerable, it also makes them dangerous. Details, please. Exactly what “voter suppression efforts” were made? ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2017, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/273 "2017-12-14T21:29:46Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Details, please. Exactly what “voter suppression efforts” were made? [Here are details](http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/12/it_looks_like_alabama_violated_federal_law_with_its_inactive_voter_scheme.html) on their ‘inactive voter’ scheme, which may have (potentially inadvertently, but I don’t know if I would give them the benefit of the doubt) violated Federal law. Also discusses police intimidating voters in heavily minority precincts. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2017, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/274 "2017-12-14T21:49:40Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > [Here are details](http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/12/it_looks_like_alabama_violated_federal_law_with_its_inactive_voter_scheme.html) on their ‘inactive voter’ scheme, which may have (potentially inadvertently, but I don’t know if I would give them the benefit of the doubt) violated Federal law. Also discusses police intimidating voters in heavily minority precincts. Wow! That’s pretty evil. Disgusting! ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2017, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/275 "2017-12-14T21:52:08Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Details, please. Exactly what “voter suppression efforts” were made? See, Republicans can’t do that successfully without Russian help. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/276 "2017-12-15T02:36:02Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Details, please. Exactly what “voter suppression efforts” were made? Voter suppression efforts are multifaceted Demanding ID that groups which do not lean GOP are less likely to have Making it harder to get ID in districts that have a lot of democrats Making it harder to register voters Eliminating early voting Eliminating absentee voting Taking away voting rights from felons Purging registered voters which tends to target democratic voters Reducing the number of voting booths in democratic areas the list goes on. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/277 "2017-12-15T03:40:35Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Voter suppression efforts are multifaceted > > Demanding ID that groups which do not lean GOP are less likely to have > Making it harder to get ID in districts that have a lot of democrats > Making it harder to register voters > Eliminating early voting > Eliminating absentee voting > Taking away voting rights from felons > Purging registered voters which tends to target democratic voters > Reducing the number of voting booths in democratic areas > > the list goes on. After Mississippi required voter IDs and required that they be obtained at the DMV offices, they closed the DMV offices in every county that was at least 75% black. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/278 "2017-12-15T17:08:07Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > After Mississippi required voter IDs and required that they be obtained at the DMV offices, they closed the DMV offices in every county that was at least 75% black. That was Alabama. (I live in Mississippi, and I’m pretty sure I would have remembered if the state government here had tried something similar. We do have a voter ID law, which is a barrier in its own right, but I don’t know of any attempts to close DMV offices after the law was implemented, and can’t find anything on a Google search.) ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/279 "2017-12-17T18:57:27Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Nah, you left out one particularly apropos to Moore: > > Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Oooooh, I love that one! ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253/280 "2017-12-17T19:58:55Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > > [@Steve\_MB](#): > > > > Nah, you left out one particularly apropos to Moore: > > > > Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. > > Oooooh, I love that one! Going back a bit, The Lord — via Isaiah — seems to have a word or three for Moore and his ilk (1:11-17): > [@](#): > > “The multitude of your sacrifices— what are they to me?” says the LORD. “I have more than enough of burnt offerings, of rams and the fat of fattened animals; I have no pleasure in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats. > When you come to appear before me, who has asked this of you, this trampling of my courts? > Stop bringing meaningless offerings! Your incense is detestable to me. New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations— I cannot bear your worthless assemblies. > Your New Moon feasts and your appointed festivals I hate with all my being. They have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them. > When you spread out your hands in prayer, I hide my eyes from you; even when you offer many prayers, I am not listening. Your hands are full of blood! > Wash and make yourselves clean. Take your evil deeds out of my sight; stop doing wrong. > Learn to do right; seek justice. **Defend the oppressed.Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.** (Emphasis mine, not necessarily the Lord’s.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-alabama/804253.md?page=15)