# Ok, all joking aside, they're not REALLY going to run Hillary, are they? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 23, 2007, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-all-joking-aside-theyre-not-really-going-to-run-hillary-are-they/409140 "2007-06-23T17:43:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2007, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-all-joking-aside-theyre-not-really-going-to-run-hillary-are-they/409140/21 "2007-06-23T22:18:28Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] I’m not much of a fan, either, but I think she’d make a reasonably good president. I’d rather see Obama in the WH than her, but I’d rather see her than Edwards. She’ll do just fine. [/QUOTE] What have you got against Edwards? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2007, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-all-joking-aside-theyre-not-really-going-to-run-hillary-are-they/409140/22 "2007-06-23T22:20:00Z")
Haircut! Haircut! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2007, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-all-joking-aside-theyre-not-really-going-to-run-hillary-are-they/409140/23 "2007-06-23T22:20:44Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Excuse, but what solid evidence have you offered to support yours? “Mr. Kettle, its Pott on line three”. [/QUOTE] I wouldn’t presume to jump in line in front you, _amigo_. And I just asked a question-- I didn’t make any assertions. I’d be interested in see what fraudulent behavior Giuliani is guilty of that rises about the run of the mill stuff we see from most politicians. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2007, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-all-joking-aside-theyre-not-really-going-to-run-hillary-are-they/409140/24 "2007-06-23T22:20:56Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] I’m not much of a fan, either, but I think she’d make a reasonably good president. I’d rather see Obama in the WH than her, but I’d rather see her than Edwards. She’ll do just fine. [/QUOTE] I’d probably rather see Edwards than Clinton, but the margin is slim. I don’t like that when she comes out firmly on an issue, it always seems to be an issue I despise (like video game violence). When it’s an issue I care about, she pussyfoots (like gays in the military). ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2007, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-all-joking-aside-theyre-not-really-going-to-run-hillary-are-they/409140/25 "2007-06-23T22:21:45Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] What have you got against Edwards? [/QUOTE] Two Americas,for one. I don’t cotton to class warfare. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2007, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-all-joking-aside-theyre-not-really-going-to-run-hillary-are-they/409140/26 "2007-06-23T22:23:59Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Two Americas,for one. I don’t cotton to class warfare. [/QUOTE] We’ve **had** class war in America since 1980 at least, but only the ruling class has been fighting it. Time to remedy that. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2007, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-all-joking-aside-theyre-not-really-going-to-run-hillary-are-they/409140/27 "2007-06-23T22:24:41Z")
Neither do we. We’d like it to stop. ---
**Author:** ![whistlepig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/73ab20/32.png) [@whistlepig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whistlepig)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2007, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-all-joking-aside-theyre-not-really-going-to-run-hillary-are-they/409140/28 "2007-06-23T22:30:34Z")
Just a reminder, at this point the in the election of 2004 the Democrat who had raised the most money was . . . Howard Dean. WOOOOOOOOOOOOO! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2007, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-all-joking-aside-theyre-not-really-going-to-run-hillary-are-they/409140/29 "2007-06-23T22:40:54Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] We’ve **had** class war in America since 1980 at least, but only the ruling class has been fighting it. Time to remedy that. [/QUOTE] I disagree with your premise, but if I did agree with it I’d mention something about two wrongs. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2007, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-all-joking-aside-theyre-not-really-going-to-run-hillary-are-they/409140/30 "2007-06-23T22:41:34Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] I don’t cotton to class warfare. [/QUOTE] What about his statements raises them to the level of “warfare”? ---
**Author:** ![AskNott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asknott/32/5790_2.png) [@AskNott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AskNott)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2007, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-all-joking-aside-theyre-not-really-going-to-run-hillary-are-they/409140/31 "2007-06-23T22:47:25Z")
She wouldn’t be my choice, out of the Democratic candidates, but I think she has a better than even chance of being the nominee. She’s a very accomplished politician and a top-notch fundraiser. At ground level, she has her network in place. She’s the only female candidate, so she has the loving support of EMILY’s List. In her appearances so far, she’s concentrating on being warm and expressive to shoo away that stuff about being a cold, shrill bitch. She has been the punching bag of the noise machine for a long time, and she learned from it. Unlike the last two candidates we fielded, she knows how to stand her ground when attacked. She’s got, well, ovaries. Gore and Kerry were easy meat; no hangy-downs. They spent all there time dodging and dancing. Her big weakness will be voters who believe the continuous mudslinging the rightwing noise machine has done since her husband was president. A lot of people out there will tell you sincerely that Mrs. Clinton is a thief, a murderer, a lesbian, and a commynist. Oh, and a Feminazi, too. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2007, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-all-joking-aside-theyre-not-really-going-to-run-hillary-are-they/409140/32 "2007-06-23T22:47:41Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] I disagree with your premise, but if I did agree with it I’d mention something about two wrongs. [/QUOTE] It is a fact that different social classes exist. It is a fact that they have some interests in common but some interests in conflict. What is “wrong” about the working class becoming conscious of those facts and fighting for its own interests, at least by nonviolent political means? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2007, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-all-joking-aside-theyre-not-really-going-to-run-hillary-are-they/409140/33 "2007-06-23T22:52:25Z")
[QUOTE=jsgoddess] What about his statements raises them to the level of “warfare”? [/QUOTE] The whole idea that there are “two Americas”. > [@John Edwards](#): > > Today, under George W. Bush, there are two Americas, not one: One America that does the work, another that reaps the reward. One America that pays the taxes, another America that gets the tax breaks. One America - middle-class America - whose needs Washington has long forgotten, another America - narrow-interest America - whose every wish is Washington’s command. One America that is struggling to get by, another America that can buy anything it wants, even a Congress and a president. No-thanks. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2007, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-all-joking-aside-theyre-not-really-going-to-run-hillary-are-they/409140/34 "2007-06-23T22:55:03Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] The whole idea that there are “two Americas”. No-thanks. [/QUOTE] What? He’s telling the truth and you can’t wish it away. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2007, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-all-joking-aside-theyre-not-really-going-to-run-hillary-are-they/409140/35 "2007-06-23T22:58:07Z")
OK, everybody, the _Internationale_, in the People’s key of “C”… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2007, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-all-joking-aside-theyre-not-really-going-to-run-hillary-are-they/409140/36 "2007-06-23T22:59:32Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] What? He’s telling the truth and you can’t wish it away. [/QUOTE] Well, there is some truth in that “one America” pays the taxes. However, I have a sneaking suspicion that he’s mixing up which one that is. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2007, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-all-joking-aside-theyre-not-really-going-to-run-hillary-are-they/409140/37 "2007-06-23T23:08:53Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] The whole idea that there are “two Americas”. [/QUOTE] So, rhetoric designed to bring something to people’s attention is “warfare.” What does that leave for actual actions? It strikes me as yet another attempt to make a scary word or phrase keep people from discussing underlying issues. “Class warfare!” “Socialized medicine!” “Unamerican!” “Terror!” “Death tax!” _gasp, sob, faint_ ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2007, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-all-joking-aside-theyre-not-really-going-to-run-hillary-are-they/409140/38 "2007-06-23T23:18:19Z")
Would you mind telling us which lesbian coven you belong to? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2007, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-all-joking-aside-theyre-not-really-going-to-run-hillary-are-they/409140/39 "2007-06-23T23:34:13Z")
[QUOTE=Larry Borgia] She ran a brilliant senate campaign in NY which many people thought she couldn’t pull off either. [/QUOTE] What Hillary did brilliantly is run for senate in NY, anyone on the democratic ticket in NY, with or without a brain wins - it’s that simple. It was not a great achievement in that sense. Now getting the dem’s to run her was. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2007, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-all-joking-aside-theyre-not-really-going-to-run-hillary-are-they/409140/40 "2007-06-23T23:38:52Z")
Of all the candidates to date, Hillary does have the best ability to create a firestorm of support for the Party candidate - the Republican Party that is. The anti-Hillary vote very well could be the deciding factor in the election. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-all-joking-aside-theyre-not-really-going-to-run-hillary-are-they/409140.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-all-joking-aside-theyre-not-really-going-to-run-hillary-are-they/409140.md?page=3)