Oh, that won’t happen until after the armed uprising that finally overthrows the tyrannical Christian Reconstructionist regime that tries to implement Biblical law in America by punishing the public expression of all non-Christian religions and philosophies with death by stoning.
Sincere question, why would taking the motto off money piss people off? Is it because we are a Christian nation in the US, or is it because people believe that we are a Christian nation because of what is printed on our money?
I really don’t care what the incoming President says during his oath, but why should it matter if the Oath did say, “so help me God,” and the new President refused to say that line. The US will always be considered to be a Christian nation as long as people implicitly accept the belief in a particular god. I regularly have people wishing me a blessed day as they count back my change, I look them in the eye and say, “No thank you.” I see no difference in what Mr Obama would be doing if those were the words in the Constitution.
SSG Schwartz
How Eschatonian.
Yeah, I guess they can ignore that pesky little “no religious tests for office” rule! :rolleyes:
Hey, it’s not a perfect analogy. But the point was – just in case it went over your head – that if something needs to be righted, some of us don’t think we should wait 100 years for a Rosa Parks to come along.
Hopefully it won’t take 100 years for you to realize that…YOU’RE NOT FUCKING OPPRESSED.
Maybe, but the reverse is true as well, isn’t it? Taking “In God We Trust” off the money doesn’t change individuals’ relationship with God. But all leaving it on does is piss people off, and it doesn’t make religious folks’ lives any better.
Honestly, as an agnostic, I don’t care much for it in the pledge or on my money and I really don’t see the need for it other than to stroke some religious people’s egos. I also don’t get the whole God relationship to money thing either.
What difference does it make? It’s a wrong that ought to be righted.
That’s the least of their problems. Due to a freak sewing mistake in his burial garments, Thomas Jefferson’s spinning has managed to trap air pockets such that he’s actually gained lift. NORAD’s tracking him somewhere over the Pacific last I checked.
I’m less upset about governmental endorsement of God on official currency than I am official endorsement of particular years. 2004 wasn’t all that great, yet there it sits, crudely emblazoned on your coins and notes.
Your argument is foolish, inadequate, and evidence of a weak mind.
Now, I don’t believe anything like that. I just think you’re wrong. But there’s quite a significant difference between a rather emotionally charged claim and a more reasonable one. The difference between claiming oppression and claiming there’s a wrong that ought to be righted is pretty large, because people are going to react to both of those really quite differently.
Somehow, I think having folks adding “so help me God” to the Oath of Office is more spin producing then simply wanting to have the oath given the way the Fucking Founding Father’s wrote it.Article II - Section 1
… Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:–“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
Think, just maybe, they didn’t have “so help me God” at the end might have been because they didn’t fucking want it there?
CMC fnord!
The Founding Fathers knew well that God would be busy in the nation’s latter years helping boxers punch the snot out of their opponents and quarterbacks throw a tight spiral. No time for that helping Presidents stuff.
Seriously?
Note to self: don’t move to Paris, Texas.
Okay. I can see how people might feel oppressed by all the God this, God that; personally I don’t, although I do feel distinctly put upon by it. Seems like you can’t turn around without being reminded that as a non-believer you are somehow not a patriot, not a moral person, or otherwise less than everyone else. All I have to do is open my wallet to see that I don’t fit in. I know why you people can’t keep God to yourself, but it’s awfully presumptuous to speak for us all.
It really comes down to perception I guess. I’d say it’s viewed more as a social oppression than a governmental one, but the lines seem to blur when society uses the government to reinforce the social oppression. It’s one thing to express your own values on a personal level. It’s quite another thing to express your values as that of society-as-a-whole.
I don’t think that recessive cultural accretions are a wrong that ought be righted.
Why? You trust in God, too- you just trust that he won’t actually start existing tomorrow, rather than that he’ll Bless America and protect our troops and make sure the markets run smoothly and so on.
Whatever.
I’ll remember that the next time you get gonorrhea.
It’s always odd to me how hostile people are to religious expressions. I mean why is a cultural well wish so nasty?
Well, no, not really. I trust that my legal tender is going to pay my rent, buy me a cup of coffee, put gas in my car. That’s about it. I’m not sure God really has anything to do with that.