# OK, Beeyotches, You've Made Up My Mind For Me **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 4, 2008, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002 "2008-09-04T15:47:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Merkwurdigliebe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/74df32/32.png) [@Merkwurdigliebe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merkwurdigliebe)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/181 "2008-09-04T21:08:46Z")
Awww…:(:(☹ The Librul media and the people around here were MEAN to this woman… :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: That’s its! I MUST VOTE FOR MCCAIN TOO! Oh wait, I’m not fucking six. I understand that politics are never going to change. You were stupid for thinking so, and you were doubly stupid for voting against your belief for it. What the fuck do you expect? Obama went through the fucking ringer for 19 months, and she’s been in it for 5 days. Just fucking get over yourself. That woman is fucked up, btw. I hate her for a lot of the reasons, but the main one is that she’s annoying in the same way Rachel Ray is. Seriously you have to be fucked up to do what she did to her unborn child. She’s against abortion, yet what she did was akin to drinking a bottle of burbon and throwing herself down a flight of stairs while pregnant. Fuck off, Merkwurdigliebe ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/182 "2008-09-04T21:11:29Z")
> [@bup](#): > > _raises hand_ > > I hope you don’t follow through on trash-talking if McCain wins, **Bricker**. That will actively work against the changes you’d like to see. Yeah, you’re right. I’m calmer now. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/183 "2008-09-04T21:12:46Z")
> [@Merkwurdigliebe](#): > > Seriously you have to be fucked up to do what she did to her unborn child. She’s against abortion, yet what she did was akin to drinking a bottle of burbon and throwing herself down a flight of stairs while pregnant. She checked with her doctor, who OK’d the plan. I have to take his (or her) judgement overyours, unless you also went to medical school and examined the governor. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/184 "2008-09-04T21:13:22Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I’m calmer now. So that’s where my single malt went. And you had to finish off my Oban. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/185 "2008-09-04T21:19:28Z")
Bricker, what the fuck is wrong with you? Seriously. You honestly want to reward the Republican party with another 4 years of power? The party of Bush and Rove and Cheney? I’m about to shout now: THE PARTY THAT OPENED UP A JESUS-FUCKING TORTURE CENTER AT GUANTANAMO BAY? Where’s your Jesus now? How dare you call yourself a Christian? You’re a poor excuse for a human being. You talk a good game, you put up a facade. And then crap like this thread comes out. You whited sephulcre, you. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/186 "2008-09-04T21:22:27Z")
> [@Giles](#): > > Plus, she’s been divorced twice, with no children. Does that add up to the right “family values”? Her religion might not help with right-wing Christians either (she’s a Jew). And did you SEE her? What a DOG! I could never vote for a woman that unattractive. I require win, place, or show in a beauty pageant for MY female candidates. **Bricker** , you never honestly intended to vote for Obama. At best, you were going to vote against McCain. To come in here all High and Mighty showed what a fatuous, self-absorbed turd you can be. **TVeblen** , you have never been more lovely than in this thread. 😃 All of you old farts who came back the past few days, the joint wasn’t the same without you. ---
**Author:** ![A\_shameful\_cracka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@A\_shameful\_cracka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_shameful_cracka)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/187 "2008-09-04T21:23:18Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > She checked with her doctor, who OK’d the plan. > > I have to take his (or her) judgement overyours, unless you also went to medical school and examined the governor. The doctor denied approving getting on the plane. ---
**Author:** ![Cyberhwk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@Cyberhwk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyberhwk)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/188 "2008-09-04T21:23:52Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Horseshit. > > And fuck you. **VT** …spreading bipartisanship one post at a time. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Risha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5fc32e/32.png) [@Risha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Risha)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/189 "2008-09-04T21:25:55Z")
Why are people feeding such an obvious trolling attempt? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/190 "2008-09-04T21:28:14Z")
**Bricker** : I will attempt to respond seriously and politely to your post. We’ll see how that goes 🙂 First of all, as others have pointed out, change doesn’t happen overnight. And in particular, it’s still less than a week after Palin was announced, less than a day after she gave her big speech, and less than a few days after most of us have even heard of the various issues/scandals/whatever that might be surrounding her. The anti-Obama campaign was talking about his lack of experience, deceptively misrepresenting his “present” votes, mocking his perceived elitism, and endlessly harping on his “bitter” remark months ago, and they’re still doing so now. They’ve found their happy Obama-bashing groove, and they’re sitting in it. The current Palin furor is fairly comparable to what was going on in the days immediately following the Jeremiah Wright revelations. That has (to a large degree) died down now. What do you think people will be saying about Palin a week from now or a month from now or when she’s debating Joe Biden? And the fact that change doesn’t happen instantly and completely doesn’t mean it’s not happening at all. Obama’s campaign (particularly if one focuses just on the campaign itself) is clearly the most clean and positive major presidential campaign in a long time. If it wins, people will learn something from that. Does that mean there will never be another negative campaign, or another media flurry about fairly irrelevant issues? Of course not. But it is FAR more likely to be a step in that direction thatn if the most clean and positive campaign in a long time is defeated, which will pretty much pound the nail in the coffin of anything other than bile. Secondly, I think you’re vastly overestimating the extent to which Palin is actually being bashed or treated unfairly. There is a HUGE amount of press/discussion/SDMB-thread-posting about her right now. But how much of that is actually negative comments about her for trivial reasons, as opposed to some combination of: -People commenting about, or discussing, the existence of those negative comments -People defending her against those negative comments -People whining about those negative comments -People on the left attempting in good faith to discuss issues that in some way relate to those negative things without the discussion getting sidetracked into total negativity -People talking about any of the above 3 -Etc. (Also, when you see a SDMB thread in which virulently-anti-Palin are actually being posted, and there are some, how many of them are the work of a small number of particular vocal posters? **Diogenese the Cynic** is only one man, but he does the posting of 20, for instance.) And in further particular, how much of the negativity towards her has actually come from either the Obama campaign itself, or from major national political or media figures? And how realistic is it to in any way imagine that there WON’T be huge flurries of discussion of her on places like the SDMB? I mean, here’s a woman who a week ago no one had heard of. Suddenly she’s one of the 4 most important people in the country, and we suddenly get reports of a whole bunch of, bluntly, titillating and salacious and potentially horrifying (she banned books?) rumors. What are we doing to do? NOT post on the SDMB about them? Message board posts occupy an odd place. On the one hand, they’re on the internet and are more or less permanently and totally publically visible for anyone to see. So they’re kind of like published writing. On the other hand, they tend to feel more like a casual conversation. If I was sitting around the dinner table chatting with people and someone said “hey, did you hear this rumor that Sarah Palin’s 5 month old daughter is really her granddaughter?” I would be interested, and I’d ask what evidence there was for this rumor. I wouldn’t say “hahaha LOL she is a lying bitch evil conservative hypocrite”, but neither would I say “hey, that is not a topic that we ought to be discussing, a candidate’s personal life is off the table”. On the other hand, if I were (in some insane universe) the author/host/editor of a national publication of some sort, I would CERTAINLY not include that rumor\*. So I’m posting on a message board. How should I act? \*It’s possible that I would address the existence of the rumor if it were already sufficiently widespread, although there’s an extent to which even addressing rumors like that gives them the imprimateur of authority. It’s a tricky issue. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/191 "2008-09-04T21:30:13Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > She checked with her doctor, who OK’d the plan. > > I have to take his (or her) judgement overyours, unless you also went to medical school and examined the governor. I’m afraid you’re mistaken. Her doctor is denying giving her permission to fly. [From here](http://www.adn.com/626/story/382864.html): > [@](#): > > Palin did not ask for a medical OK to fly, the doctor said. Of course now, after she did so, the doctor is trying to cover for her by saying: > [@](#): > > “I don’t think it was unreasonable for her to continue to travel back.” That conclusion is contradicted by other medical professionals, including one quoted in that same story. > [@](#): > > Still, a Sacramento, Calif., obstetrician who is active in the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, said when a pregnant woman’s water breaks, she should go right to the hospital because of the risk of infection. That’s true even if the amniotic fluid simply leaks out, said Dr. Laurie Gregg. > > “To us, leaking and broken, we are talking the same thing. We are talking doctor-speak,” Gregg said. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/192 "2008-09-04T21:42:08Z")
> [@FallenAngel](#): > > I saw a statement on another board that really sealed it for me. I’ll summarize the highlights: > > [Note: Glurge deleted] Congrats. You’ve decisively wrested the ‘Dumbest Reason for Voting Against a Candidate’ award away from the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/193 "2008-09-04T21:47:35Z")
> [@Risha](#): > > Why are people feeding such an obvious trolling attempt? 😕 Because it’s **Bricker** , and his years of defending torture still haven’t convinced some people what a shitbag he is. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/194 "2008-09-04T21:50:32Z")
**Bricker** , I know the admonishments of a random dumbass on the internet doesn’t mean shit, but I’ve really lost a lot of respect for you. I tended to disagree with you politically, but at least you seemed to think things through. You were reasonable and respectful. This thread is closer to the petulant whining of a child. “I’m taking my vote and going home. That’ll show you.” Really? I’m tired of some of the over the top attacks on McCain and Palin, but I don’t let it affect myself or my vote or my views on the candidates in general. People on the internet don’t stand for or reflect the candidate. They reflect only themselves. If you want to vote for McCain/Palin on issue, more power to you. If you’re going to vote for them to spite people on the internet? That reflects on you. ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/195 "2008-09-04T22:27:46Z")
> [@fluiddruid](#): > > But, yet, how can you expect any clean campaigner to immediately change the face of American politics? We’re not talking about Obama himself, nor his campaign, nor even prominent members of his party - we’re talking random yakkos on the Internet. Surely you must realize that if that was your expectation, you never really seriously considered Obama, because such a thing is impossible. You’re talking about reality. Republicans don’t deal in reality, only appearance. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/196 "2008-09-04T22:45:21Z")
I’ve had this on my desk since this afternoon when I went off to a meeting. I see the conversation has moved on a bit, but it could still add some value/perspective, so here you go. > [@Bricker](#): > > Obama is a great man. None of you pig fuckers understand what he was doing here. I didn’t like any of his positions, and I say that about him. Biden is a run-of-the-mill politico, no better or worse than a dozen others. Obama is a different breed. > > But it really doesn’t matter, because no one else is ready for the one lesson he had that I cared about. It should also be noted that we’ve had just about a week from the announcement of Palin as the VP nominee. We’ve had decades of negative campaigning tradition in this country. Obama is bucking that trend, but sometimes the horse gets the bit in its teeth and runs. If I were you, and I cared as deeply about this as you seem to, I’d give Obama some time to get the horse calmed down and see what he can do then. Remember, even Gandhi, a one-in-a-million leader if ever there was one, lost control of his followers from time to time. Remember [Chauri Chaura](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauri_Chaura)? He stuck with his message and in the end he prevailed. Calling Obama a failure because there has been negative sentiments towards Palin on the SDMB, in the blogosphere, and some mainstream media may well be premature. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/197 "2008-09-04T23:16:27Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > She checked with her doctor, who OK’d the plan. > > I have to take his (or her) judgement overyours, unless you also went to medical school and examined the governor. I don’t give a whistling damn about Sarah Palin’s twat. I’ve heard way too much about her about her teenage daughter’s twat too. Messy TMI time. If she’s a hypocrite, so what. They abound in politics. Wouldn’t be the first; won’t be the last. What I _do_ care about, and legitimately so, is how Creationist Barbie plans to impose her twat-maintenance beliefs onto others, like say, citizens of this republic who might be uppity enough to believe they can manage their very own twats without close government supervision, thanks bunches just the same. And a follow-up point for **Starving Artist** : Your choice isn’t to vote for McCain the whore and Creationist Barbie, or just hold your nose and vote for Obama. Elections aren’t much fun for those not caught up in party loyalty fever. They require too much research, soul searching, compromise and sometimes holding your nose and going for the lesser evil. I sure as hell wasn’t enthused by John Kerry. I thought he was a sanctimonious ass. Still do. But there was no way I could vote for Rove/Shrub. Too much viciousness, too much hypocrisy, too much incompetence. So I voted for Kerry because he was the best chance to remove an inept, evil administration. Nader’s never been an option for me. Talk about arrogant, elitist assholes. I could never have voted for Hillary Clinton if the Dems had run her. Too much sleaze, too extreme, too polarizing. Bad for the country, and I was disgusted with her and the Dems for dinking around with her for so long. McCain the whore was off my list permanently when he promptly hired RoveJr. So what would I have done? Don’t know. Maybe a write-in. Any hardcore conservative could take a look at Ron Paul. He’s a sort of Ross Perot Lite of this election but he’s also pretty principled in conservative/libertarian values. He doesn’t stand an ice cube’s chance in hell of winning this thing but a strong showing for him could send a message to the GOP. I’m not sure they’re listening any more though. It’s ugly and it’s a genuinely damned shame. It didn’t have to be this way. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/198 "2008-09-04T23:31:33Z")
I want to have **TVeblen** gay aborted babies. It’s no use being upset by this shit though. My head exploded 4 years ago and all that happened to me was that I was diagnosed with Bush Derangement Syndrome. The abuses this current batch of Republicans have subjected this country to cannot be badmouthed or their poor, thin-skinned, put-upon party members will _never_ vote for a Democrat. The only thing I can hope for is that the United States will vote for the best of the two men running. I have hope but it is quite small. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/199 "2008-09-04T23:42:45Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > As I am a Steeler fan, I would expect to differ on exactly what level of MAN Ickey rose to. > > I just don’t think anyone could regard the Ickey Shuffle as anything other than full-tard. > > Quite like the juvenile celebration dance of **ShitBricker**. > > You all missed me greatly, didn’t you? 🙂 You being a lowdown, dirty Steelers fan explains a lot! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/200 "2008-09-04T23:45:06Z")
> [@TVeblen](#): > > What I _do_ care about, and legitimately so, is how Creationist Barbie plans to impose her twat-maintenance beliefs onto others, like say, citizens of this republic who might be uppity enough to believe they can manage their very own twats without close government supervision, thanks bunches just the same. Can’t make your point with insulting _someone_, can you? Well, here’s the thing: some people in this country believe that an unborn chjild is a human being, and deserves legal protection. So it’s not so much twat management as it is protecting the life of a person. Now, I know you don’t share that view. But is everyone that holds it simply evil? Contrast your position with mine. I think your policy leads to the death of people, albeit unborn ones. But I recognize that you don’t agree, and while I reserve the right to lobby to change the law and convince you, I don’t call you a murderer. Your beliefs are held in good faith – although I think they’re wrong. Why can’t your position be a mirror image of that? Why must she be “Creationist Barbie?” concerned with “managing twats?” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002.md?page=11)