# OK, Beeyotches, You've Made Up My Mind For Me **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 4, 2008, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002 "2008-09-04T15:47:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/61 "2008-09-04T16:39:33Z")
I know this isn’t GD, but could I see links to the CNN and MSNBC stories mentioned upthread? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/62 "2008-09-04T16:40:15Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > So by all means, let’s vote for _the guy who didn’t even try_. Well, if McCain has been attacking Biden’s family, I must have missed it. > [@](#): > > Funny, most of us are voting for him \*because \*of his policies, not because we think he’s some sort of messiah or whatever it is you cool kids are calling it these days. Oh no, not all of Obama’s supporters are hero-worshipers - some are just stupid. My apologies for mis-classifying you into the first group. > [@Bricker](#): > > If only the newest VB software had a filter that I could set to only have the vicious nut-jobs read my rant, I would have. No problem - with or without, I would still have seen it. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/63 "2008-09-04T16:40:40Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The pissing off of liberals, in general, is not a goal of mine. Nor one of mine. The problem is, merely speaking the truth on these issues pisses off liberals. The only way to avoid pissing off liberals (or at least the ones around here) is to agree with them or remain silent. ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/64 "2008-09-04T16:42:27Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > And it goes both ways. If Obama turns out to be a Bush-level disaster, most of his supporters still wouldn’t be able to bring themselves to vote Republican the next time around. Honorable caveat, **Giraffe**. Not everyone is rah-rah politics as blood sport party animal. I’m an Independent and don’t pay that much attention to party labels. (Not that there’s that much difference between them, both being corporations devoted to staying in power.) I am specifically opposed to the neocon assholes, the filth like Bush, Cheney, Rove–and their despicable little fanboys like **Bricker** –who’ve hijacked and disgraced conservatism and the Republican Party. They’re vicious little ayatollahs, no lie too personal, no lie too _big_, screw the country, fuck everybody else and use government against the people. McCain is a whore. He started out with potential to repair some of the damage. After all, he was bitter and furious over how Shrub’s campaign attacks on him. So what does he do? Promptly hires RoveLite and starts exactly the same filthy tactics he’d condemned. What a maverick. Then Palin, Creationist Barbie, who’s perfectly comfortable dictating religion with the force of government. I think Obama will be okay. I’m not wildly enthused but he’s solid, very intelligent and he’s stayed consistent. He’s shown signs he’ll do okay. Maybe not great, but who knows those things upfront. At least he won’t make _stupid_ mistakes like Shrub; you know, boy **Bricker’s** heartthrob. I repeat, **Bricker** is, was and always has been neocon filth. Not a conservative, mind, but a neocon. No viciousness too base, but all excused on the basis of a close, personal relationship with none other than God himself. Not that he’s arrogant or anything. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/65 "2008-09-04T16:42:59Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > you Obamites have no better talking point than making up shit (“book banning” is an excellent example) about McCains _veep_? [Cite.](http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/us/politics/03wasilla.html) ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/66 "2008-09-04T16:44:51Z")
> [@TVeblen](#): > > McCain is a whore. To be fair to McCain, he never publicly declared that he was whoring himself out to the people he’d once (correctly) described as “agents of intolerance” just because a few yo-yos on the Internet wrote things that offended his tender sensibilites. ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/67 "2008-09-04T16:45:19Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And I’m ashamed of myself, in a way. If only the newest VB software had a filter that I could set to only have the vicious nut-jobs read my rant, I would have. But it doesn’t, and so a decent, reasonable person gets to see some of my bile. > > I’m really sorry. To you, I apologize. You’d think the last person to think that “the things I’ve publicly confessed can’t possibly hurt me” wouldn’t be a former defense attorney. Honestly, I don’t know whether to respect you or not. You obviously know a lot about the law and politics. But there’s this part of you who wants to throw all the legalese off to one side and go Freeper every once in a while. The problem is you don’t acknowledge the fact that the fist-fight side of you detracts from your serious side. Do you think anybody looks at your serious posts and manages to ignore the bile posts? You know, **Bricker** , I’ve been away from this board for close to three years now. So I’ve missed any kind things you might have said or not said about Obama. Taking that into account though, I’ve got to believe that the positive things you did think about Obama weren’t particularly closely held. Obama said, “Families are off-limits.” The GOP, within days, attacks his wife. Now you accuse _the Dems_ of playing dirty pool? Brother, see the log in your own eye. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/68 "2008-09-04T16:46:16Z")
never mind ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/69 "2008-09-04T16:47:05Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Well, it sounds like you really tried to give him a chance, but your hands are tied. I’m just glad that, by little Rick’s standard, I can now judge Jesus by the actions of Phred Phelps. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/70 "2008-09-04T16:49:43Z")
Who gives a fuck who you vote for, bitch? Goddamn, I’ve rarely run into anyone so self-important. Maybe 'cause I don’t hang out with neocons - who knows? But as others have said, this is no surprise anyway. Vote for McCain as you were planning to all along, point and laugh if he wins - you’ll still be a fucking asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/71 "2008-09-04T16:49:55Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Well, if McCain has been attacking Biden’s family, I must have missed it. Did you miss it when McCain attacked Obama’s family? > [@Shodan](#): > > Oh no, not all of Obama’s supporters are hero-worshipers - some are just stupid. > My apologies for mis-classifying you into the first group. You stay classy, **Shodan**. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/72 "2008-09-04T16:54:29Z")
Welcome back to the fold, **Bricker**. You’ll find things just as you left them. Some of our club members aren’t very nice, and we aren’t terribly organized. We have beer, though, and pie after supper. That ought to make up for it. ---
**Author:** ![psycat90](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@psycat90](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psycat90)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/73 "2008-09-04T16:58:20Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > Who gives a fuck who you vote for, bitch? Goddamn, I’ve rarely run into anyone so self-important. Maybe 'cause I don’t hang out with neocons - who knows? But as others have said, this is no surprise anyway. Vote for McCain as you were planning to all along, point and laugh if he wins - you’ll still be a fucking asshole. You took the words right out of my mouth. I came in this thread not knowing what it was about based on the title. I’m sitting here scratching my head wondering why this even warrants a thread. Who cares? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/74 "2008-09-04T16:59:42Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > Welcome back to the fold, **Bricker**. > > You’ll find things just as you left them. Some of our club members aren’t very nice, and we aren’t terribly organized. > > We have beer, though, and pie after supper. That ought to make up for it. And shit sandwiches. Big ones that you guys all love to take a bite from. The problem is that because of people like you and **Bricker** and your mindless support for modern Republicans, all other Americans have to take a big bite of the shit sandwich too. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/75 "2008-09-04T17:00:29Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > Welcome back to the fold, **Bricker**. > > You’ll find things just as you left them. Some of our club members aren’t very nice, and we aren’t terribly organized. > > We have beer, though, and pie after supper. That ought to make up for it. Pie is a nonpartisan issue. Let us all unite under its warm and chewy banner, that our children will never again know the tyranny of hunger. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/76 "2008-09-04T17:01:49Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I know this isn’t GD, but could I see links to the CNN and MSNBC stories mentioned upthread? [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26513837/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26513837/) [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26517781/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26517781/) And others like that. Yes, I know – they’re not spreading the attacks; they’re reporting on the news that the attacks exist. It reminds me of an old Monty Python album I had as a kid. In the beginning, the serious announcer warns that the album contains several offensive words: “Two ‘cunts,’ one ‘clitoris,’ and a ‘foreskin.’ But as these words appear only in this introduction, you are safely past them now.” ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/77 "2008-09-04T17:02:36Z")
> [@psycat90](#): > > You took the words right out of my mouth. I came in this thread not knowing what it was about based on the title. I’m sitting here scratching my head wondering why this even warrants a thread. Who cares? Because Republicans voting Democratic gives the Dems huge stiffies and he knows it. Frankly, I’ve been embarrassed more than once at the attention **Airman Doors** gets because of this. ---
**Author:** ![Lust4Life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecc23a/32.png) [@Lust4Life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lust4Life)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/78 "2008-09-04T17:04:35Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I have realized something, thanks to this board. > > I considered supporting and voting for Senator Obama, even though I disagree with him on most major issues and agree with Senator McCain on most of those same issues. > > Why did I toy with this idea? > > The past few days and the Palin hysteria here (and in the larger blogosphere) have convinced me that I was an idiot to imagine such a thing. Despite Senator Obama’s calls (and actions!) to avoid such things, I see that the left has no intention of heeding this particular call to arms from their candidate. I see, further, the idea that the lesson of an Obama win will be that clean honest campaigning works would never be drawn. > > So that settles it. Given that my only reason to support Obama is revealed now as a ridiculously naive pipe dream, it’s over. > > I’m voting McCain, you beeyotches! Thanks for making me see the light. > > And when he wins, I am going to crow for a week. You think I crowed after 2000? I remember that, and I remember 2004 too, when you pussies whined about how shocked and hurt you were and begged me stop rubbing your pathetic faces in your loss. That will be a walk in the park compared to what’s coming up. I’ll fucking buy ad time on this board to crow about a McCain victory. > > Yeah, I was a fool to think it could be any other way. I see that now. Thanks. I’m a Limey so have no dog in this fight. But what I get from your post is that though you were honestly considering voting for Obama INSPITE of not only voting for the biggest fuckwit ever to be elected POTUS in American history,not once but twice, you actually CROWED about it to all and sundry. Could i be forward enough to ask if you included NA NEE NAH NEE NAH NAH!in your crowing? But of course NOW you cant vote for Obama because the opposition have pointed out inconsistancies in Palins stance and have actually said nasty things about her. Well I can only say that I dont blame you. It couldn’t be worse if he was black. I personally have never EVER seen politicians saying unflattering things about each other and the day that happens then its the day to quit or of course vote for the opposing candidate. I find you completely convincing,I applaud your moral stature and your honesty is an example to us all. I am especially proud as no doubt you are that the Republicans have never used this tactic. With voters like you America deserves great Presidents like Bush and who knows in the near future MacCain! I wish you all the very best of fucking luck. ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/79 "2008-09-04T17:06:47Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And it won’t. Because, as has been clearly demonstrated, it cannot. We’re past that. My boys can’t do it; negative campaign tactics are page one of the GOP playbook. And now we learn that even if the one-in-a-million Dem (and make no mistake: Obama is one-in-a-million) does it, no one will care enough to emulate it. > > Obama is a great man. **None of you pig fuckers understand what he was doing here.** I didn’t like any of his positions, and I say that about him. Biden is a run-of-the-mill politico, no better or worse than a dozen others. Obama is a different breed. > > But it really doesn’t matter, because no one else is ready for the one lesson he had that I cared about.(bolding added for emphasis) Oh. None of us pigfuckers are bright enough or principled enough to _get_ that Obama has done exactly what he promised: run a clean campaign, and one focused on the issues. But nobody else but **Bricker** , special, _principled_ **Bricker** , is ready for the only lesson the poor misunderstood lad has really, really, REALLY cared about all along, forget that minor lapse, well two, with Rove/Shrub: civility and truth in campaigning. But the Dope, blogsphere and the tabloid press have crushed the idealism of yet another frail violet. **Bricker** reels, disillusioned, back into voting for yet another unprincipled, lying shit and an inexperienced creationist, both safely Republican, of course. But nobody _understands_ **Bricker’s** shattered ideals. It is to barf. **Bricker** , you’ve always been a neocon whore. Ideals, quite demonstrably, have never mattered a damn to you. Your vicious little cadre has been in power for 8 miserable, killing, damaging years. Don’t expect the rest of the world, much less the Dope, to develop convenient amnesia about that. You’ve been a vocal, enthusiastic defender of TPTB. Stop crying, bitch. You’re not a victim, nobody’s picked on you and if people dislike you, there are reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/80 "2008-09-04T17:11:17Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Well, if McCain has been attacking Biden’s family, I must have missed it. > Oh no, not all of Obama’s supporters are hero-worshipers - some are just stupid. > > My apologies for mis-classifying you into the first group. > No problem - with or without, I would still have seen it. > > Regards, > Shodan Well, if Obama has been attacking Palin’s family, I must have missed it. You’ve got a real subtle thing going on there, Shodan… “Obama’s supporters are hero worshipers or stupid” That’s just great. You know, 99% of people here don’t think that McCain/Palin supporters are deluded, stupid or anything of the kind. Even you. Your passionate us/them partisanship is certainly something to be in awe of though! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002.md?page=5)