# OK, Beeyotches, You've Made Up My Mind For Me **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 4, 2008, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002 "2008-09-04T15:47:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/81 "2008-09-04T17:11:20Z")
> [@TVeblen](#): > > **Bricker** , you’ve always been a neocon whore. Ideals, quite demonstrably, have never mattered a damn to you. Your vicious little cadre has been in power for 8 miserable, killing, damaging years. Don’t expect the rest of the world, much less the Dope, to develop convenient amnesia about that. You’ve been a vocal, enthusiastic defender of TPTB. Of course. Because reasonable people can only think one way about issues. Questioning the Leftist Line is akin to having no ideals at all. When have you ever heard me issue a personal attack on any candidate? I’ve been a member here since 1999. When I have slammed a candidate for a personal issue? Can you make that claim? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/82 "2008-09-04T17:13:23Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Of course. Because reasonable people can only think one way about issues. Questioning the Leftist Line is akin to having no ideals at all. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Nor one of mine. The problem is, merely speaking the truth on these issues pisses off liberals. The only way to avoid pissing off liberals (or at least the ones around here) is to agree with them or remain silent. Yeah, those lefties sure have the market cornered on thinking their way is the only true way. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/83 "2008-09-04T17:15:09Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Yeah, those lefties sure have the market cornered on thinking their way is the only true way. Um.. you know I’m **Bricker** , not **Starving Artist** , right? ---
**Author:** ![Subterraneanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Subterraneanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subterraneanus)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/84 "2008-09-04T17:15:13Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I have realized something, thanks to this board. > > I considered supporting and voting for Senator Obama, even though I disagree with him on most major issues and agree with Senator McCain on most of those same issues. > > Why did I toy with this idea? > > As I explained in a number of threads, it was because I was impressed – hell, blown away, more like it – by Senator Obama’s approach to campaigning. He had talked the talk, like every candidate does, about making it about the issues, but he was doing the nearly unprecedented walking the walk as well. He was keeping to the high road, even in the face of negative forays by his opponents (both Senators Clinton and McCain). I thought to myself, “If Obama can win doing this, it could transform how people in this country view campaigning!” That alone, I figured, was an issue, and it was fast becoming my ‘single issue’ and I was leaning towards being a single-issue voter. > > The past few days and the Palin hysteria here (and in the larger blogosphere) have convinced me that I was an idiot to imagine such a thing. Despite Senator Obama’s calls (and actions!) to avoid such things, I see that the left has no intention of heeding this particular call to arms from their candidate. I see, further, the idea that the lesson of an Obama win will be that clean honest campaigning works would never be drawn. > > So that settles it. Given that my only reason to support Obama is revealed now as a ridiculously naive pipe dream, it’s over. > > I’m voting McCain, you beeyotches! Thanks for making me see the light. > > And when he wins, I am going to crow for a week. You think I crowed after 2000? I remember that, and I remember 2004 too, when you pussies whined about how shocked and hurt you were and begged me stop rubbing your pathetic faces in your loss. That will be a walk in the park compared to what’s coming up. I’ll fucking buy ad time on this board to crow about a McCain victory. > > Yeah, I was a fool to think it could be any other way. I see that now. Thanks. You’re a fucking idiot. ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/85 "2008-09-04T17:16:04Z")
> [@](#): > > What is this shit? Issues? You want to talk about issues? What about Palin’s DNA test? What’s your position on THAT? My position on that is that the only person who ever brought it up is McCain’s campaign manager, who says that several members of the media brought up such a possibility in an “off the record” luncheon. He won’t name names, of course, since it was “off the record” (which apparently doesn’t mean what he thinks it means). Oh, and I always enjoy reading your posts, **Bricker** , but I admit I rolled my eyes a little every time you said you were considering voting for Obama. Not that I think you were lying or anything; I just think you overestimated your own open-mindedness. Like I was going to say in your other thread, it’s possible to be open-minded and to accept that your idealogical opponents hold their beliefs honestly but to still believe those beliefs are total bullshit. But if McCain wins, I hope you enjoy your little dance. I suppose someone should get some joy out of it. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/86 "2008-09-04T17:16:39Z")
Rick, dude. I don’t have the inclination to actually start debating your politics. It’s a futile excercise and as an international onlooker I don’t get a say in the election anyway. I’m not going to convince you, make you change your mind. You have made up your mind and that’s that. What I find sad, though is that you present yourself as Hispanic, a lawyer, a conservative Catholic, in no particular order. But this is the first time I’ve seen you present yourself as a **Troll**. > [@Bricker](#): > > The pissing off of self-righteous pricks here, on SDMB, has become a dear and pleasant goal. But I guess the responses here really are feeding you. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/87 "2008-09-04T17:16:41Z")
I can kinda sympathize with the OP. Kinda. I’m what I like to call a “weak” Obama supporter. I like the man, the way he thinks, and the way he seems to really dig into issues and have thoughtful proposals. The thing is, I probably agree with McCain more than with Obama on most issues. I think both would be fine as president, but I just like Obama’s decision making process a lot more. And their positions on the Iraq war are a big factor. That’s the 800 lb gorilla of an issue that overshadows almost everything else. Now, getting back to the OP… I cringe everytime I log onto this board and see the nonsense coming from the Obamamaniacs here. I hate being associated with them in any way, but it really would be silly and childish to change my vote because of that. Besides, there are plenty of brain-dead McCain supporters out there even if they’re not all that well represented on this MB. You lose either way if being associated with idiots makes a difference to you. Of course, living in CA, it really doesn’t matter for whom I vote. Obama is going to take this state handily. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/88 "2008-09-04T17:22:15Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I can kinda sympathize with the OP. Kinda. > > I’m what I like to call a “weak” Obama supporter. I like the man, the way he thinks, and the way he seems to really dig into issues and have thoughtful proposals. The thing is, I probably agree with McCain more than with Obama on most issues. I think both would be fine as president, but I just like Obama’s decision making process a lot more. And their positions on the Iraq war are a big factor. That’s the 800 lb gorilla of an issue that overshadows almost everything else. > > Now, getting back to the OP… I cringe everytime I log onto this board and see the nonsense coming from the Obamamaniacs here. I hate being associated with them in any way, but it really would be silly and childish to change my vote because of that. > Of course, living in CA, it really doesn’t matter for whom I vote. Obama is going to take this state handily. This is almost _exactly_ my position!:eek: Altho I do agree with Obama more than McCain, I do like some of McCains positions, and I really like his experience and personal integrity. But I just can not support another 8 years of this crappy war. Noway, no how. And, the whole sleezebag GoP powerbrokers like Rove. :rolleyes: Also being a Californian, my vote also isn’t going to mean much. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/89 "2008-09-04T17:22:36Z")
I’ve never voted for a Republican in my life, and I can’t imagine reality-based circumstances in which I would. I don’t see why Republicans can’t take the same position with respect to their candidates. Vote your principles, which in this case are Republican principles: enormous deficits (future taxes); drowning government in a bathtub (Katrina indifference); influence peddling (Abramoff and Keating 5); and propaganda (false rumors that Obama is a Muslim). Oh, and saying how awful your opponents are, how dissent from your policies is hating America. The reality is that modern Republicans expand government far more than Democrats, spend more, borrow more and get poorer results. I’m going to vote for Obama, but I really don’t see how he can win. I’m a very white guy, and when I’m with other white people exclusively, I hear how racist they are and I know that this country will not elect a black man in my lifetime. I know at least one life-long Democrat who will not vote for Obama because it will make black people “uppity.” I hope I’m wrong and eat those words, but I don’t think this election will be close at all. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/90 "2008-09-04T17:23:56Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Um.. you know I’m **Bricker** , not **Starving Artist** , right? I’m sorry, but the things that **Starving Artist** has said has made me lose all respect for you **Bricker**. If only you could have controlled his attacks better, I might actually have voted for you. ---
**Author:** ![Carl\_Corey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Carl\_Corey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carl_Corey)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/91 "2008-09-04T17:24:57Z")
Oh for fuck’s sake, people. DNFTFT. ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/92 "2008-09-04T17:25:18Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Of course. Because reasonable people can only think one way about issues. Questioning the Leftist Line is akin to having no ideals at all. > > When have you ever heard me issue a personal attack on any candidate? I’ve been a member here since 1999. When I have slammed a candidate for a personal issue? > > Can you make that claim? Can you prove it, ah, boarfucker? (God, you’re lame.) Don’t bother. You’re intellectually dishonest and not worth my time. This isn’t about any Leftist Line, moron. Nice try on a strawman. You just threw a technicolor tantrum over your offended ideals. That’s why you can’t consider voting for Obama, remember? Though he didn’t actually violate your tender sensibilities. You know, the ones that are still so proud of Rove/Bush. By your own ridiculous Pit fit, you’re all hurt and shocked, SHOCKED, by what you’ve read on the internet and those _tabloids_! Can’t have it both ways, whore. You were all thrilled and proud when your boy Shrub set the bar for politicking way down, including deliberate lies and personal attacks, because your team won! Do your victory dance again, **Bricker**. Your boys won, the ones who best represented your interests and values, remember? Your attempt to claim moral outrage and disappointment now is pretty hilarious, especially since it’s not even over anything Obama’s, y’know, actually _done_ or shit. Obama ain’t the messiah but he’s kept his word and run a clean campaign. You’re right. He _doesn’t_ represent your values or interests. Because you’re a piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Pashnish\_Ewing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8797f3/32.png) [@Pashnish\_Ewing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pashnish_Ewing)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/93 "2008-09-04T17:25:43Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26513837/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26513837/) > > [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26517781/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26517781/) > > And others like that. > > Yes, I know – they’re not spreading the attacks; they’re reporting on the news that the attacks exist. Seriously? Those are your cites? The first article is _extremely_ mild compared to what that flaming liberal [Dr. Laura](http://www.drlaurablog.com/2008/09/02/sarah-palin-and-motherhood/) has to say. The second article is about _fucking jokes_ made by late night comedians - and about how they are treading lightly. But buy all means, continue on about all those smears… :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/94 "2008-09-04T17:27:27Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Um.. you know I’m **Bricker** , not **Starving Artist** , right? And Obama isn’t **Diogenes**. But you seem perfectly happy to hold one to the behavior of the other. I’m using him to point out that zealotry isn’t confined to the left. But whatever. Have your fun and let’s let this cock-waving die. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/95 "2008-09-04T17:27:33Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Um.. you know I’m **Bricker** , not **Starving Artist** , right? **Starving Artist** ’s behavior reflects your failure of leadership and inability to set a good example. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/96 "2008-09-04T17:28:03Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I hate being associated with them in any way, but it really would be silly and childish to change my vote because of that. I have in the past called you out for what I see is a tendency to make decisions based on nothing but sheer oppositionality. Clearly, that is not correct here, and I wanted to give you props for having a position of integrity. Unlike **ShitBricker**. ---
**Author:** ![Taber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@Taber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taber)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/97 "2008-09-04T17:28:45Z")
Can I get a show of hands as to who actually thought Bricker was going to vote Obama? ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/98 "2008-09-04T17:31:41Z")
Bricker, You know, I like alternative fuels. I think we were crazy to have killed the electric car. Hydrogen and helium are viable sources for most mainstream cars if we just put a bit more R&D into them. We can lessen our dependence on oil imports and reduce our impact on the environment by adopting clean systems. I ride the bus to work. I have a fuel efficient car. And I think the big oil companies are evil. Well…I thought that anyway. For awhile at least. But BP’s commercials really impacted me. Have you seen them? They talk about research into alternative fuels. They talk about cleaner technology in oil based fuels. They discuss how hard they’re working at planting trees across the globe. And it all ends with their slogan “It’s a start.” They’re right. It is a start. It’s a way to show me that this oil company is different. This oil company cares. This oil company wants to make a positive impact on society. So on one side of the scale I had all my policy beliefs on alternative fuels. And on the other side I had one Big Oil company telling me that they alone will do it differently. Run a clean company. I believed them. I was on board. I’m voting with my dollars and buying into BP. But I pulled into the station yesterday and what did I see? Litter on the sidewalk! And some fucktard putting gas in his tank overflowed it creating a massive spill! What the fuck? You almost had me BP. Almost. But I can clearly see that this campaign of clean was nothing but a sham. It will never work. It’s just business as usual for all Big Oil and this incident proves it. My scale is tipped. I hope you’re happy BP. ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/99 "2008-09-04T17:32:04Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > What is this shit? Issues? You want to talk about issues? What about Palin’s DNA test? What’s your position on THAT? Please, please, please tell me who asked Palin to take a DNA test. ---
**Author:** ![Nancarrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002/100 "2008-09-04T17:35:32Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I’m sorry, but the things that **Starving Artist** has said has made me lose all respect for you **Bricker**. If only you could have controlled his attacks better, I might actually have voted for you. Zing! (and to all you johnny-come-latelys… sorry Mr. Polemic wins the teddy bear!) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-beeyotches-youve-made-up-my-mind-for-me/462002.md?page=6)