# Ok, I agree...Bush is a frigging moron (Bush Signs Schiavo Bill) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 21, 2005, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-i-agree-bush-is-a-frigging-moron-bush-signs-schiavo-bill/295591 "2005-03-21T17:30:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![infamousmom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d6d6ee/32.png) [@infamousmom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/infamousmom)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-i-agree-bush-is-a-frigging-moron-bush-signs-schiavo-bill/295591/101 "2005-03-23T08:26:19Z")
> [@SiouxChief](#): > > I can’t wait to hear you guys when W celebrates the birth of his first grandchild. You really think someone’s going to be interested in helping either of Dubya’s Drunken Daughters reproduce? I guess it’s not always true that there are some things money can’t buy. ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-i-agree-bush-is-a-frigging-moron-bush-signs-schiavo-bill/295591/102 "2005-03-23T08:47:52Z")
> [@SiouxChief](#): > > The law he signed regarding Terri did not, and does not prevent the removal of any patient from life support. Yes I knew that. The law he signed is supposed to give Terri Schiavo “her day in court”, because George W. Bush seems to think that her case has not been given due consideration by our justice system. If he was so concerned about this, then perhaps he should make sure that cases in Texas also get reviewed by a federal court. > [@](#): > > Sure, it’s fun to jump down his throat for everything. I wouldn’t worry about it too much, because there are always people ready to defend him for anything. > [@](#): > > I can’t wait to hear you guys when W celebrates the birth of his first grandchild. Why don’t you wait until he has a first grandchild and see what I say about it, before trying to predict the future? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-i-agree-bush-is-a-frigging-moron-bush-signs-schiavo-bill/295591/103 "2005-03-23T08:53:14Z")
> [@infamousmom](#): > > You really think someone’s going to be interested in helping either of Dubya’s Drunken Daughters reproduce? I don’t know, I don’t think it’d be _that_ much of a hardship to inseminate either of them, even _without_ that whole world-dominating dynasty perk thrown in. _Especially_ after a few beers. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-i-agree-bush-is-a-frigging-moron-bush-signs-schiavo-bill/295591/104 "2005-03-23T08:53:16Z")
> [@infamousmom](#): > > You really think someone’s going to be interested in helping either of Dubya’s Drunken Daughters reproduce? > > I guess it’s not always true that there are some things money can’t buy. I’m guessing you never tried to defend Chelsea for being dragged into her daddy’s politics? Based on your vitriol towards Bush and now his daughters, you’re as bad as the “right-wing zealots” you seem to be railing against. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-i-agree-bush-is-a-frigging-moron-bush-signs-schiavo-bill/295591/105 "2005-03-23T11:54:49Z")
Pure idle speculation that is OT: Does anyone seriously think that if one of the twins became pregnant w/o the sanctity of marriage (say, next week) that she would not get an abortion? Just a stray thought. but as to the thread–Bush has shown that he has principles of expediency not of er, principles. IMO, he has thrown a bone to his anti-choice base (which may have not even wanted it–the polls are strongly against this move by Congress). Maybe this’ll teach W some humility. yeah. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-i-agree-bush-is-a-frigging-moron-bush-signs-schiavo-bill/295591/106 "2005-03-23T20:43:12Z")
> [@infamousmom](#): > > You really think someone’s going to be interested in helping either of Dubya’s Drunken Daughters reproduce? I’d do it for free, just to piss off the Bush apologists. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-i-agree-bush-is-a-frigging-moron-bush-signs-schiavo-bill/295591/107 "2005-03-23T22:27:02Z")
“Once more into the breach, dear friends, once more!” _Hank the Five_, Shakespeare ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2005, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-i-agree-bush-is-a-frigging-moron-bush-signs-schiavo-bill/295591/108 "2005-03-24T13:18:01Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Does anyone seriously think that if one of the twins became pregnant w/o the sanctity of marriage (say, next week) that she would not get an abortion? Either that, or soon after Laura becomes the spokeswoman for fetal alcohol syndrome research. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2005, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-i-agree-bush-is-a-frigging-moron-bush-signs-schiavo-bill/295591/109 "2005-03-24T13:37:03Z")
**duffer:** _I’m guessing you never tried to defend Chelsea for being dragged into her daddy’s politics?_ While I tend to dislike vulgar comments about the Bush daughters, I have to point out that there’s a difference in the two cases. Liberals were outraged by conservatives gratuitously taunting the young-adolescent Chelsea’s looks (e.g., Limbaugh’s remark about her being the “White House dog”) or just generally making nasty remarks about her for no reason other than that she was her parents’ daughter. Chelsea herself had done nothing to deserve that. The Bush twins, on the other hand, are adults who are being slammed mostly on the basis of their own freely chosen actions **as** adults (the illegal alcohol incidents, the “naked photos” flap, the Vogue photo spread, the socialite lifestyle, the awkward campaign speeches). They voluntarily joined their father’s campaign and accepted the role of political public figures. They’re fair game. Of course, they also get a lot of gratuitous nastiness and vindictiveness just because some people dislike their father, which is one reason I don’t like mean remarks about them. However, it’s still a lot lower on the meanness scale than taunting a fourteen-year-old about her braces because you oppose her dad’s politics. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2005, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-i-agree-bush-is-a-frigging-moron-bush-signs-schiavo-bill/295591/110 "2005-03-24T13:41:58Z")
**eleanorigby:** _Does anyone seriously think that if one of the twins became pregnant w/o the sanctity of marriage (say, next week) that she would not get an abortion?_ Actually, I could easily see either one of them choosing not to get an abortion in such circumstances. I wouldn’t be outraged if she **did** choose an abortion (although I would definitely brand her a flaming hypocrite if she then to support an anti-abortion platform), but for all I know she might well choose to have the baby. If she did, though, I’d bet that she would hastily marry the father. ---
**Author:** ![Digital\_Stimulus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Digital\_Stimulus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Digital_Stimulus)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2005, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-i-agree-bush-is-a-frigging-moron-bush-signs-schiavo-bill/295591/111 "2005-03-24T13:43:19Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > They’re fair game. Oh, boy. While I agree with your point, couldn’t you have chosen a different phrase? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2005, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-i-agree-bush-is-a-frigging-moron-bush-signs-schiavo-bill/295591/112 "2005-03-24T13:55:51Z")
> [@SiouxChief](#): > > The law he signed regarding Terri did not, and does not prevent the removal of any patient from life support. Did you read it? > > Look, George W. Bush is not a saint, nor is he perfect (yeah, I know, understatement of the day, blah blah blah). He’s done plenty of questionable things in the past. BUT this time, with the Terri law, what he did was not so bad. > > Sure, it’s fun to jump down his throat for everything. But in this case I think some people are overreacting. > > I can’t wait to hear you guys when W celebrates the birth of his first grandchild. “Hypocrite! Unbelievable! Shrub does it again! Acting like he cares about life when CLEARLY…” blah blah blah > > Give it a rest. You don’t find his actions even mildly hypocritical? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2005, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-i-agree-bush-is-a-frigging-moron-bush-signs-schiavo-bill/295591/113 "2005-03-24T14:56:09Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > **eleanorigby:** _Does anyone seriously think that if one of the twins became pregnant w/o the sanctity of marriage (say, next week) that she would not get an abortion?_ > > Actually, I could easily see either one of them choosing not to get an abortion in such circumstances. I wouldn’t be outraged if she **did** choose an abortion (although I would definitely brand her a flaming hypocrite if she then to support an anti-abortion platform), but for all I know she might well choose to have the baby. If she did, though, I’d bet that she would hastily marry the father. What position have the sisters taken on abortion? I have no defensible idea whether either Barbara or Jenna would get an abortion if they became pregnant - and neither do you, **eleanorrigby**. ---
**Author:** ![SiouxChief](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@SiouxChief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SiouxChief)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2005, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-i-agree-bush-is-a-frigging-moron-bush-signs-schiavo-bill/295591/114 "2005-03-24T18:51:07Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > You don’t find his actions even mildly hypocritical? No, I don’t. Bush opened a door for further qualified review, and nothing else. If Bush didn’t believe in the law, but signed it anyway, then that would be hypocritical. If he believed in the law, but didn’t sign it, that would also be hypocritical. Based on his comments, I’m pretty sure he agreed with the law he signed. Also, people change. People grow, and have new experiences that shape their opinions. Every case has different variables…different shades of gray. Even if Bush signed a law in 1999 ordering the ruthless slaughter of every sick poor child in Texas, it does not apply here. This is a different time, and a different case. Hypocrisy is not always proven by past actions. Are you a hypocrite if you tell your kids not to shoplift, even though you did it once as a kid? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2005, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-i-agree-bush-is-a-frigging-moron-bush-signs-schiavo-bill/295591/115 "2005-03-24T19:17:16Z")
> [@SiouxChief](#): > > Are you a hypocrite if you tell your kids not to shoplift, even though you did it once as a kid? Are you saying that George Bush as an adult, _as governor_, has the moral compass of a child? I have apparently misjudged you. ---
**Author:** ![SiouxChief](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@SiouxChief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SiouxChief)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2005, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-i-agree-bush-is-a-frigging-moron-bush-signs-schiavo-bill/295591/116 "2005-03-24T19:31:17Z")
> [@Fear Itself](#): > > Are you saying that George Bush as an adult, _as governor_, has the moral compass of a child? Uh, no. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2005, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-i-agree-bush-is-a-frigging-moron-bush-signs-schiavo-bill/295591/117 "2005-03-24T19:39:21Z")
Seems more and more likely that this case will now become the justification for the “nuclear option.” Many conservatives are even agreeing that Congress may have sunk its own bill so that this would be a political win. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2005, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-i-agree-bush-is-a-frigging-moron-bush-signs-schiavo-bill/295591/118 "2005-03-24T19:41:29Z")
Which is to say: is that really all that moronic? Or is it actualy pretty smart? Remember, Bush wouldn’t leave his ranch for virtually anything, and then he’s suddenly flying back to Washington to sign a bill that could have more quickly and cheaply been flown to him. If that’s not political theater, I don’t know what is. ---
**Author:** ![brownie55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f14d63/32.png) [@brownie55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brownie55)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2005, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-i-agree-bush-is-a-frigging-moron-bush-signs-schiavo-bill/295591/119 "2005-03-24T19:47:14Z")
> [@SiouxChief](#): > > No, I don’t. > Also, people change. People grow, and have new experiences that shape their opinions. Every case has different variables…different shades of gray. Even if Bush signed a law in 1999 ordering the ruthless slaughter of every sick poor child in Texas, it does not apply here. This is a different time, and a different case. Hypocrisy is not always proven by past actions. Just so I understand, When Bush changed his position, it’s “gorwing,” but when Kerry did it he “flip-flopped”? ---
**Author:** ![brownie55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f14d63/32.png) [@brownie55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brownie55)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2005, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-i-agree-bush-is-a-frigging-moron-bush-signs-schiavo-bill/295591/120 "2005-03-24T19:48:24Z")
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