# Ok, if I shouldn't \_shoot\_ the intruder, then...? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 19, 2009, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-if-i-shouldnt-_shoot_-the-intruder-then/482060 "2009-01-19T23:15:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-if-i-shouldnt-_shoot_-the-intruder-then/482060/721 "2009-01-23T00:13:32Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > edit: I retract my not guilty verdict until I know what you’re charging them with. you two faced turd! Any damn thing your warped mind can come up, THATS what. Make up ANY charge you want and tell us how you would vote. This should be enlightening to say the least. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-if-i-shouldnt-_shoot_-the-intruder-then/482060/722 "2009-01-23T00:18:13Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > you two faced turd! > > Any damn thing your warped mind can come up, THATS what. > > Make up ANY charge you want and tell us how you would vote. > > This should be enlightening to say the least. Well, you’ve told me so little, and you’ve labeled the intruder a criminal without giving any supporting evidence. If it’s an 11 year old neighbor kid, then even if it’s the shooter’s word versus the dead kid (no witnesses), he’d have to put on a pretty good show for me not to want to get him for some level of manslaughter. If the guy was wearing one of those lone ranger robber masks and had a sack with a dollar sign on it, and the guy said he was making threatening moves, I couldn’t do much. Anything in between, use your imagination. edit: If he was a butthole-raping clown with guns for hands, I’d convict for murder in a heartbeat. Because that’s just not right that a butthole-raping clown can be taken out during a simple robbery. There’d have to be something fishy going on. Like, the homeowner may be a ninja, and I don’t trust ninjas. ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-if-i-shouldnt-_shoot_-the-intruder-then/482060/723 "2009-01-23T00:20:55Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Well, you’ve told me so little, and you’ve labeled the intruder a criminal without giving any supporting evidence. I Read that aloud to whoever’s nearby. Should be good for a laugh. No, I won’t rely on you being able to figure it out; an INTRUDER is BY DEFINITION a CRIMINAL. Or Prison Kitten, if you prefer. WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?? ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-if-i-shouldnt-_shoot_-the-intruder-then/482060/724 "2009-01-23T00:23:49Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Well, you’ve told me so little, and you’ve labeled the intruder a criminal without giving any supporting evidence. If it’s an 11 year old neighbor kid, then even if it’s the shooter’s word versus the dead kid (no witnesses), he’d have to put on a pretty good show for me not to want to get him for some level of manslaughter. > > . So now you can tell the homeowner was itching to shoot little iritating Billy huh? ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-if-i-shouldnt-_shoot_-the-intruder-then/482060/725 "2009-01-23T00:26:30Z")
> [@Cuckoorex](#): > > Read that aloud to whoever’s nearby. Should be good for a laugh. > > No, I won’t rely on you being able to figure it out; an INTRUDER is BY DEFINITION a CRIMINAL. Or Prison Kitten, if you prefer. WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?? Or maybe your son is in the basement playing xbox with Billy, and you didn’t know he was invited over, and Billy went upstairs to get some milk. Bad steronz, should have said victim kitten instead of intruder. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-if-i-shouldnt-_shoot_-the-intruder-then/482060/726 "2009-01-23T00:26:45Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Well, you’ve told me so little, and you’ve labeled the intruder a criminal without giving any supporting evidence. . I just remembered the question I asked was intended for Kalhoun. She must be hidding in a closet somewhere. Thats the person I’d REALLY like to get the answer to this question from. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-if-i-shouldnt-_shoot_-the-intruder-then/482060/727 "2009-01-23T00:30:43Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Or maybe your son is in the basement playing xbox with Billy, and you didn’t know he was invited over, and Billy went upstairs to get some milk. > > Bad steronz, should have said victim kitten instead of intruder. I told you a CRIMINAL was shot. If you wanna label little Billy a CRIMINAL, go ahead… ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-if-i-shouldnt-_shoot_-the-intruder-then/482060/728 "2009-01-23T00:33:41Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Or maybe your son is in the basement playing xbox with Billy, and you didn’t know he was invited over, and Billy went upstairs to get some milk. > > Bad steronz, should have said victim kitten instead of intruder. Yeah, you should have, because you DID say “intruder”. I’m pretty fucking sure that if I see 11-year old Billy, I’m not going to shoot anyone. I’m going to ground my son and send Billy home and talk to Billy’s parents/guardian tomorrow, and ask Billy why he thought it would be OK for him to invite someone into the house after everyone’s asleep. No, check that, I would have already impressed upon him that no one is allowed in the house without permission from adults, especially after hours. Talk about a totally ridiculous scenario. You might as well ask, “Oh no, what happens if your parents come to your door with a fruit basket and instead of even asking who is at the door you open fire through the door with an AK-47?” ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-if-i-shouldnt-_shoot_-the-intruder-then/482060/729 "2009-01-23T00:44:46Z")
[http://jukebox.lohud.com/photos/refers/index.php?gallery=HOME%20INVASION%20ARREST%2001-22-09](http://jukebox.lohud.com/photos/refers/index.php?gallery=HOME%20INVASION%20ARREST%2001-22-09) We get a few Home Invasion style robberies around here. Whole string last summer, actually. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-if-i-shouldnt-_shoot_-the-intruder-then/482060/730 "2009-01-23T00:51:54Z")
> [@Cuckoorex](#): > > Yes, you were a career criminal and even now you still have a criminal mindset. You blame the homeowner for being the victim of a home intrusion and it seems to you that crime is everyone’s fault but the person committing the crime. I’d say you have a psychological problem. You sound like a sociopath, based only on what I’ve read so far. That may totally be wrong, but that’s how you come off. You really don’t want to say things like that! \< puts on best Hannibal Lecter stare \> ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-if-i-shouldnt-_shoot_-the-intruder-then/482060/731 "2009-01-23T00:55:56Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > [http://jukebox.lohud.com/photos/refers/index.php?gallery=HOME%20INVASION%20ARREST%2001-22-09](http://jukebox.lohud.com/photos/refers/index.php?gallery=HOME%20INVASION%20ARREST%2001-22-09) > > We get a few Home Invasion style robberies around here. Whole string last summer, actually. A home invasion\* to me is where someone forcibly enters a house with no intention of stealth. Do these ‘Home Invasions’ include any type of burglary? Your link wasn’t exactly informative. - I do understand it is just a terminology thing. ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-if-i-shouldnt-_shoot_-the-intruder-then/482060/732 "2009-01-23T01:13:28Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > You really don’t want to say things like that! \< puts on best Hannibal Lecter stare \> You’re at a disadvantage…you’re insane. \ ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-if-i-shouldnt-_shoot_-the-intruder-then/482060/733 "2009-01-23T01:16:23Z")
> [@Cuckoorex](#): > > I’m pretty fucking sure that if I see 11-year old Billy, I’m not going to shoot anyone. I’ve meet Billy. I’ve talked to Billy. I’ve broken bread with Billy. I am blowing his ass away the first excuse I get 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-if-i-shouldnt-_shoot_-the-intruder-then/482060/734 "2009-01-23T01:18:30Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > **I** have a psychological problem!? I’ve shared cells with the nutjobs on our streets, know exactly how they behave and I still am less paranoid than you. A bit of advice; don’t try pot! > No, that’d be you. Yeah, well no worries there, I don’t do drugs. Sharing a cell with criminals hardly makes you one to call me paranoid, or judge my mental state off of comments here. As a matter of fact, how the hell can you say I’m paranoid? Because i’d use a weapon on one of your cuddly cellmates that breaks into my house? I should take your sage advice because you shared a cell with them? Ooooh boy, this is rich. Its gone beyond stupid into twilight zone territory. Since you have no idea about anyone I’ve met you wouldn’t know that I have met criminals. I but since I never broke into anyone’s house or any other sordid unlawful deed I am missing your insight on their complicated minds. Especially the part that makes them all saintly and above the wrath of us mere mortals who simply don’t want unknown intruders breaking into our homes. Guess its too bad I never shared a cell with criminals…then maybe I’d realize its wrong to assualt them when they break into my fuckin’ house. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-if-i-shouldnt-_shoot_-the-intruder-then/482060/735 "2009-01-23T01:34:05Z")
> [@Jolly\_Roger](#): > > Yeah, well no worries there, I don’t do drugs. Sharing a cell with criminals hardly makes you one to call me paranoid, or judge my mental state off of comments here. As a matter of fact, how the hell can you say I’m paranoid? Because i’d use a weapon on one of your cuddly cellmates that breaks into my house? I should take your sage advice because you shared a cell with them? Ooooh boy, this is rich. Its gone beyond stupid into twilight zone territory. > > Since you have no idea about anyone I’ve met you wouldn’t know that I have met criminals. I but since I never broke into anyone’s house or any other sordid unlawful deed I am missing your insight on their complicated minds. Especially the part that makes them all saintly and above the wrath of us mere mortals who simply don’t want unknown intruders breaking into our homes. Guess its too bad I never shared a cell with criminals…then maybe I’d realize its wrong to assualt them when they break into my fuckin’ house. :rolleyes: Hey, all I’m trying to do is allay your fears about bad assed killer clowns breaking in during the night. All this fantasising about what you are going to do in the event of something that seems a rarity among crimes, is likely to be unhealthy. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-if-i-shouldnt-_shoot_-the-intruder-then/482060/736 "2009-01-23T01:42:26Z")
> [@Cuckoorex](#): > > You’re at a disadvantage…you’re insane. > > \ You only caught me because you are like me. \< gives Graham eyes rolling back in the head routine \> ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-if-i-shouldnt-_shoot_-the-intruder-then/482060/737 "2009-01-23T01:46:27Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Or maybe your son is in the basement playing xbox with Billy, and you didn’t know he was invited over, and Billy went upstairs to get some milk. I knew those TiVo-shaped commemorative milk cartons would be trouble! ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-if-i-shouldnt-_shoot_-the-intruder-then/482060/738 "2009-01-23T01:55:10Z")
**billfish678** > [@](#): > > you two faced turd! **Flyhalf** > [@](#): > > You really are a fucking moron aren’t you? You are claiming to not be able to read the intruders intentions. AND THAT’S THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT! > > Jackass. [Moderator Hat ON] TIME OUT. No more insults and everybody calm down right now. billfish678 and Flyhalf, personal insults are NOT allowed in this forum. All of you who are getting overly snarky, even if I didn’t call you out specifically, you guys calm down too. Otherwise I’m locking this thread. [Moderator Hat OFF] ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-if-i-shouldnt-_shoot_-the-intruder-then/482060/739 "2009-01-23T01:55:25Z")
> [@Flyhalf](#): > > You really are a fucking moron aren’t you? > . . . Jackass. > [@billfish678](#): > > you two faced turd! > [@Cuckoorex](#): > > You’re at a disadvantage…you’re insane. This is an official **Warning** to each of you that you have stepped way over the line for what is permitted in this Forum. Knock it off. (If everyone can address some issues instead of just insulting each other and making snide remarks, this thread has a remote chance that it will stay open a while longer. However, given the petulant tenor of the last few pages, I would not bet in that direction. **[/Moderating]** ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-if-i-shouldnt-_shoot_-the-intruder-then/482060/740 "2009-01-23T02:01:25Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > This is an official **Warning** to each of you that you have stepped way over the line for what is permitted in this Forum. > > Knock it off. > > (If everyone can address some issues instead of just insulting each other and making snide remarks, this thread has a remote chance that it will stay open a while longer. However, given the petulant tenor of the last few pages, I would not bet in that direction. > > **[/Moderating]** I was quoting a movie, the same movie that ivan was quoting to me. That was actually one of the more civil exchanges we’ve had! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-if-i-shouldnt-_shoot_-the-intruder-then/482060.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-if-i-shouldnt-_shoot_-the-intruder-then/482060.md?page=38)