# Ok,Im new here,Carol is the name **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 18, 2010, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534 "2010-04-18T15:34:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Zygoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ee7513/32.png) [@Zygoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zygoma)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/201 "2010-04-25T12:37:42Z")
> [@carol\_nistri](#): > > Personally I love a mystery and having Vallee echo an idea that this is done from afar and that its a military doing I find exciting. I think you need to start thinking with more logic and less emotion. You can find plenty of things that are exciting without needing to deviate into far-fetched theories. ---
**Author:** ![carol\_nistri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@carol\_nistri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carol_nistri)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/202 "2010-04-25T12:42:47Z")
> [@Zygoma](#): > > I think you need to start thinking with more logic and less emotion. You can find plenty of things that are exciting without needing to deviate into far-fetched theories. no,no I cant. ---
**Author:** ![Ostrya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/35a633/32.png) [@Ostrya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ostrya)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/203 "2010-04-25T13:03:24Z")
Okay! Well, I think that pretty much wraps it up here, folks! ---
**Author:** ![carol\_nistri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@carol\_nistri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carol_nistri)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/204 "2010-04-25T15:21:35Z")
What I find to be a real puzzlement is how otherwise very intelligent men could look at circles and think no matter how complex the circle is or was that its all just done with plank and rope,that was the real puzzle. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/205 "2010-04-25T15:27:41Z")
> [@carol\_nistri](#): > > What I find to be a real puzzlement is how otherwise very intelligent men could look at circles and think no matter how complex the circle is or was that its all just done with plank and rope,that was the real puzzle. Because a few years ago a couple Englishmen confessed to making some of them. They demonstrated they could do it overnight. Therefore every single crop circle must be man made. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/206 "2010-04-25T16:04:51Z")
> [@carol\_nistri](#): > > Well yes I did answer that question of why anyone would take cow anuses and udders and other soft tissue,they take it for testing. 1. Testing what, exactly? Why anuses and udders in particular? Why cattle? 2. Why would any kind of sophisticated research operation, whether extraterrestrial or Black Ops, need to take such large quantities of material? Today geneticists and other scientists only need the tiniest amount of tissue or blood to do very sophisticated analyses. One would hardly think those with presumably much more advanced technology would need or want to take pounds and pounds of material as a sample. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/207 "2010-04-25T19:17:01Z")
> [@carol\_nistri](#): > > What I find to be a real puzzlement is how otherwise very intelligent men could look at circles and think no matter how complex the circle is or was that its all just done with plank and rope,that was the real puzzle. Why? There’s a HUGE amount of complex things that the human mind/body can do. When I see figure skaters at the Olympics, they’re doing things that the average human can’t do. It’s incredibly complicated. We could then conclude that they’re bred by aliens or they’re just automatons but why not conclude that they’re just very good at what they do? Similarly, the people creating crop circles are at that level of planning and mastery. Could the average person just go in and make a great crop circle? Probably not, but why couldn’t someone who’s put a lot of work and thought into it? People have created far more complex structures in human history, no? ---
**Author:** ![SoulFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@SoulFrost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoulFrost)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/208 "2010-04-25T19:23:22Z")
> [@carol\_nistri](#): > > What I find to be a real puzzlement is how otherwise very intelligent men could look at circles and think no matter how complex the circle is or was that its all just done with plank and rope,that was the real puzzle. Yeah, a compass and a straight edge… nobody can do anything with those. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/209 "2010-04-25T19:26:03Z")
> [@carol\_nistri](#): > > Well yes I did answer that question of why anyone would take cow anuses and udders and other soft tissue,they take it for testing. What **Colibri** said. Why take the anus, udder, and eyes? Why not just take the whole cow? Exposure to radiation doesn’t just cause anal or eye cancer. And what’s the purpose of the crop circles? ---
**Author:** ![carol\_nistri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@carol\_nistri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carol_nistri)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/210 "2010-04-25T19:41:51Z")
now your cooking. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/211 "2010-04-25T19:43:17Z")
I’m not cooking! I’m asking why you’ve fallen for all this ridiculousness and what purpose you think is served by “black ops” stealing cow assholes or writing circles in crops. You’re the one who thinks this crap is going on. ---
**Author:** ![Ostrya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/35a633/32.png) [@Ostrya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ostrya)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/212 "2010-04-25T21:53:06Z")
posted by **carol nistri** (my bolding for emphasis) > [@](#): > > Well yes I did answer that question of why anyone would take cow anuses and udders and other soft tissue,they take it for testing. And whoever it was that said they didnt want to read the link to Vallee is causing me to get hives,why do you think I posted it in the first place? Go back and read it cause Vallee has been a #1 figure in the paranormal for eons now. **Personally I love a mystery and having Vallee echo an idea that this is done from afar and that its a military doing I find exciting.** We see you’ve posted the link but this does not legitimize the work Vallee has done or the conclusions he has drawn. And you’re admitting that you’re probably catering to his paranormal hypotheses only because you find the idea exiting. You’re discrediting your ideas about this but don’t seem to know it. So what if Vallee has been a #1 figure in the paranormal for years? So was Uri Geller. If anything, this only discredits your claims on this, not legitimizes them. You don’t seem to be listening or considering at all, the logical questions posed in this thread. Is it because you find the logic uninteresting? But you’ve admitted that. So there’s no point in this discussion with you. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/213 "2010-04-25T22:29:21Z")
I’m not getting the “It’s more fun” argument either. Hey, I think it’s more fun to believe that instead of humans, all the people reading and posting the Dope are sentient purple furred ape creatures. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/214 "2010-04-25T23:27:02Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > I’m not getting the “It’s more fun” argument either. Hey, I think it’s more fun to believe that instead of humans, all the people reading and posting the Dope are sentient purple furred ape creatures. Uh-oh! They’re on to us! ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/215 "2010-04-25T23:31:50Z")
> [@SoulFrost](#): > > Yeah, a compass and a straight edge… nobody can do anything with those. Well, the Pyramids are, in fact, slightly crooked. And haven’t you ever wondered why you never see the Pyramids and cow anuses at the same time? ---
**Author:** ![Torpor\_Beast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/71e660/32.png) [@Torpor\_Beast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Torpor_Beast)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/216 "2010-04-26T01:55:34Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > I’m not getting the “It’s more fun” argument either. Hey, I think it’s more fun to believe that instead of humans, all the people reading and posting the Dope are sentient purple furred ape creatures. _scratches purple, furry armpit_ _sniffs fingers_ ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/217 "2010-04-26T02:26:09Z")
> [@carol\_nistri](#): > > now your cooking. Sorry to have to come out and say it bluntly, carol, but you’re not the first person I’ve encountered who tries to use cryptic statements and obfuscation to try to conceal the fact that, in the end, they’re simply not very bright. Not bright, as in, say, the manner of a bulb; and that bulb is observably dim. Capice? ---
**Author:** ![Ostrya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/35a633/32.png) [@Ostrya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ostrya)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/218 "2010-04-26T02:54:33Z")
I think when carol said “now your cooking”, she meant just that. We have assumed she meant “you _are_ cooking”. But when considering this in a different context… _our_ cooking… hm… I think we’ll just have to wait for carol to tell us whether or not she likes our cooking, and what our culinary skills have to do with military cattle teats and squashed down crops. Are you trying to tell us you’d prefer we cook your meals in the microwave, is that it carol? Or that the military has developed some sort of new fangled oven and from afar, testing it by cooking cattle teats and flattening wheat? Is that what you find so mysterious and exciting? Come on, give us some pointers on our cooking. (don’t make me beg) ---
**Author:** ![carol\_nistri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@carol\_nistri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carol_nistri)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/219 "2010-04-26T09:26:55Z")
Well isnt this curious,I sit and read the posts and wonder how the heck any of you can think theres zero questions connected to crop circles,you sit there and wonder why I see any mystery in this subject at all,perspectives I guess. No sense discussing the crisp edges of crop circles and ask you how you believe the come to be with a couple of guys stomping on a board that in turns presses down the crop.Lets discuss that motion. Supposedly were suppose to believe that a circlemaker grabs a rope in each hand then bends the crop by stepping in the center of that board,is that correct? Is that your understanding? Now if you would pull up Milk Hill on your screen. This is considered the mother of all crop circles. Its huge,theres a picture on the net of Milk Hill showing small black dots in its middle. Those small black dots are actually people,thats how big it is. But getting back to that motion of step and press. Can you really imagine men,even men in relatively good shape doing those lunges and they do amount to lunges thousands and thousands of times in a night? Thats what would be required to accomplish this. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/jqJS28YTjJM/hqdefault.jpg "Milk Hill Crop Circle") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqJS28YTjJM) ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/220 "2010-04-26T09:37:00Z")
> [@carol\_nistri](#): > > Can you really imagine men,even men in relatively good shape doing those lunges and they do amount to lunges thousands and thousands of times in a night? Thats what would be required to accomplish this. > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqJS28YTjJM](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqJS28YTjJM) Um, you mean like [these guys](http://circlemakers.org/), whom I found through 15 seconds of browsing on [Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lundberg)? > [@](#): > > John Lundberg (born December 5, 1968) is an English artist and documentary filmmaker. In the early 1990s he founded circlemakers, a UK based arts collective famous for covertly creating hundreds of the world’s largest and most elaborate crop circles. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534.md?page=12)