# Ok,Im new here,Carol is the name **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 18, 2010, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534 "2010-04-18T15:34:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/281 "2010-04-27T18:30:31Z")
> [@carol\_nistri](#): > > I still think the Lady lawyer came up with the best explanation Ive ever heard on the subject Despite the fact that it’s so full of holes you won’t even attempt an explanation. > [@](#): > > Although there is the case of the man and wife that were out on their lands while cows were birthing their calfs,seems they tended to one mother and calf went over a ridge and went back within a half hour and the cow was dead and mutilated. So predators are impossible, but somehow the black ops drove up in a car that made no sound, mutilated a cow in half an hour, and vanished without leaving a trace with the rancher nearby. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/282 "2010-04-27T18:44:30Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Despite the fact that it’s so full of holes you won’t even attempt an explanation. > So predators are impossible, but somehow the black ops drove up in a car that made no sound, mutilated a cow in half an hour, and vanished without leaving a trace with the rancher nearby. Now your cooking! ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/283 "2010-04-27T19:11:42Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I predict this post, like so many others will be thoroughly and studiously ignored, or at best acknowledged with a sly wink and a nod to allow her to scoot past it without addressing any of the points. > > And I’m backing up that prediction with a full two dozen cow anuses. If I’m wrong, the next 24 posters get a free cow anus. Sorry, everyone. Because CAROL ONCE AGAIN IGNORED EVERYTHING I AND OTHERS SAID, YET AGAIN I’m keeping my cow anuses to myself for now. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/284 "2010-04-27T19:27:25Z")
Ok Carol, I’ll have a go. I don’t find what you’ve posted to be compelling. In post #56 you suggest that it’s not enough to say ‘insects did it’ but that we must identify specific species and confirm that they’re present and active in the place and time of the incident. Nothing wrong with that, in fact those are pretty good questions for a skeptic to ask. But you don’t maintain that kind of thinking. In your posts and links you accept statements from anonymous pathologist and unnamed witnesses. You’ve yet to link to say, a newpaper article. You say that ranchers are the authority on what’s normal, well I’d like to see some statements by identified ranchers about what they found to be abnormal, and why. And what percentage of total ranchers have found something abnormal, do most ranchers think their cattle have been muted or just a handful? For every event where lack of tracks is noted, current ground conditions must be noted as well. I think these questions are just as reasonable as you raised about the insects. But you haven’t been raising them as far as I can tell. You appear to have begun with a conclusion, that the world is a more mysterious place than ‘they’ve’ been telling you and then looked for and accepted only evidence that supports your conclusions. That’s not an unusual behaviour, it’s common amongst many types of believers, but it’s unlikely to lead you to any facts or scientific truths. It’s also not a very respected way of thinking on this message board. best wishes ---
**Author:** ![Spud](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spud/32/347_2.png) [@Spud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spud)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/285 "2010-04-28T01:05:30Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I’m keeping my cow anuses to myself for now. No problem… I’ve got a friend who works for the government and for some reason he always seems to have plenty… no idea why though. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/286 "2010-04-28T01:35:34Z")
Can he spare a few? 'cause I got a fever and the only cure is more cow anus! ---
**Author:** ![flyboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/4da419/32.png) [@flyboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flyboy)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/287 "2010-04-28T04:43:30Z")
I propose a new rule for the boards: anyone attempting to support an argument by citing a site like [http://www.crystalinks.com/](http://www.crystalinks.com/) should be immediately banned. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/288 "2010-04-28T04:47:15Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I’m keeping my cow anuses to myself for now. _You can have my cow anuses when you pry them from my cold, dead,_ . . . .er, cows. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/289 "2010-04-28T04:50:10Z")
> [@flyboy](#): > > I propose a new rule for the boards: anyone attempting to support an argument by citing a site like [http://www.crystalinks.com/](http://www.crystalinks.com/) should be immediately banned. It strikes me that having a “Metaphysical and Science Website” is a bit like having an “Fundamentalism and Atheism Website.” ---
**Author:** ![carol\_nistri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@carol\_nistri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carol_nistri)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/290 "2010-04-28T10:10:02Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Sorry, everyone. Because CAROL ONCE AGAIN IGNORED EVERYTHING I AND OTHERS SAID, YET AGAIN I’m keeping my cow anuses to myself for now. Smeghead stop yelling at me.. ---
**Author:** ![carol\_nistri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@carol\_nistri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carol_nistri)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/291 "2010-04-28T10:19:22Z")
> [@outlierrn](#): > > Ok Carol, I’ll have a go. > I don’t find what you’ve posted to be compelling. > > In post #56 you suggest that it’s not enough to say ‘insects did it’ but that we must identify specific species and confirm that they’re present and active in the place and time of the incident. > > Nothing wrong with that, in fact those are pretty good questions for a skeptic to ask. But you don’t maintain that kind of thinking. > > In your posts and links you accept statements from anonymous pathologist and unnamed witnesses. You’ve yet to link to say, a newpaper article. > > You say that ranchers are the authority on what’s normal, well I’d like to see some statements by identified ranchers about what they found to be abnormal, and why. And what percentage of total ranchers have found something abnormal, do most ranchers think their cattle have been muted or just a handful? For every event where lack of tracks is noted, current ground conditions must be noted as well. > > I think these questions are just as reasonable as you raised about the insects. > But you haven’t been raising them as far as I can tell. You appear to have begun with a conclusion, that the world is a more mysterious place than ‘they’ve’ been telling you and then looked for and accepted only evidence that supports your conclusions. That’s not an unusual behaviour, it’s common amongst many types of believers, but it’s unlikely to lead you to any facts or scientific truths. It’s also not a very respected way of thinking on this message board. > > best wishes Well now,thats a quite and thoughtful post Outliern,scowls at Old Yeller.. What alerted the ranchers is the time factor.In order for a carcase to receive as much damage to them as these cattle mutes more time had to have passed.In some cases its only a matter of a few hours before a cow is found with all of its parts missing. And the way they are missing,teats and anuses missing yet no tearing of the flesh,eyes missing yet even on white faced herfords theres no blood staining the white of the face,the list goes on and on. If these animals had been fed upon then tracks would be around the ground.Even if the soil is hard and dry tracks would still show up where the animal bit into a piece of flesh and proceded to tug and remove that flesh. There are no tracks of humans or animals ever around the body.This leads some to believe that the aniamal is actually killed and mutilated elsewhere with its body being lifted and set down somewhere else,hence no footprints.Ranchers see range death all the time Outliern,there familar with common range death its no big deal. This what there seeing is something none of them have experienced before,it was the ranchers that called in law enforcement when their vets came away as perplexed as they were. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/292 "2010-04-28T10:25:17Z")
> [@carol\_nistri](#): > > This leads some to believe that the aniamal is actually killed and mutilated elsewhere with its body being lifted and set down somewhere else,hence no footprints. _Once again_: why would anybody do that? If the goal is covert radiation testing, why bring the carcass back? And anyway, if people are bringing the carcass back, why aren’t _they_ or their equipment leaving tracks? ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/293 "2010-04-28T10:35:50Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > _Once again_: why would anybody do that? If the goal is covert radiation testing, why bring the carcass back? And anyway, if people are bringing the carcass back, why aren’t _they_ or their equipment leaving tracks? their levitated by microwave beams,silly.Havent you been paying attnetion? ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/294 "2010-04-28T11:15:50Z")
> [@carol\_nistri](#): > > Smeghead stop yelling at me.. I thought perhaps you were CONTINUALLY IGNORING MANY VALID POINTS PEOPLE ARE RAISING because you are visually impaired. Perhaps this will get your attention. So far, no luck. ---
**Author:** ![carol\_nistri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@carol\_nistri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carol_nistri)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/295 "2010-04-28T11:35:25Z")
If I havent answered all the posts its because I dont have the answers,nothing proveable anyway. Im still with the ranchers on this one,they know its unusual,they have been interviewed many times and insist that how they find these animals is so extraordinairy they call in both vets and law enforcement. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/296 "2010-04-28T11:39:19Z")
> [@carol\_nistri](#): > > If I havent answered all the posts its because I dont have the answers I agree, you don’t. Your theory is full of basic logical and logistical holes, and you believe it anyway even though you can’t answer any of them and the events you’re intersted in have much simpler explanations. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/297 "2010-04-28T11:42:40Z")
Is there anything left to discuss? The OP has basically acknowledged that any time she hears something that suggests what she already “believes” is wrong, she’s going to stick her fingers in her ears and go LA LA LA CAN’T HEAR YOU! ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/298 "2010-04-28T13:01:29Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > Is there anything left to discuss? We can’t close this thread yet. Too many ‘cow anus’ references hanging out there. Remember: A cow anus a day keeps the crop circles away. ---
**Author:** ![carol\_nistri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@carol\_nistri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carol_nistri)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/299 "2010-04-28T14:05:14Z")
Well then,I take it this board thinks theres nothing to all of this. Ranchers are wrong to report what they see and their vets and law enforcement are also wrong,my my and to think you did all that without ever having to leave your chairs.Well I see things differently,this has been going on for years,dispite stakeouts ranchers are continually hit and their animals end up dead with no apparent reason at hand.Ignore it if you will,thats your choice to me its a strange and mysterious occurance but to all of you it isnt,shrugs,so be it. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/300 "2010-04-28T14:13:31Z")
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