# Ok,Im new here,Carol is the name **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 18, 2010, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534 "2010-04-18T15:34:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2010, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/61 "2010-04-19T18:56:16Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > It’s probably a more skeptical audience than you are used to, yes. > Then you should probably stop jumping past the conclusion that predators and decay are responsible. > [@carol\_nistri](#): > > um,huh? I’m guessing he meant “not responsible”. It’s that being back from the dead thing. Makes his grammar sloppy… ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2010, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/62 "2010-04-19T19:04:24Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > I’m guessing he meant “not responsible”. It’s that being back from the dead thing. Makes his grammar sloppy… And his grampa ain’t much better… ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2010, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/63 "2010-04-19T19:13:55Z")
> [@carol\_nistri](#): > > Some of us have seen the ranchers point of view. So far, you’ve only presented us with hearsay. No evidence, no photos, no reports, no publications, nothing at all, really, except your own allegations. You really shouldn’t be surprised when no one here takes you seriously. ---
**Author:** ![carol\_nistri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@carol\_nistri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carol_nistri)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2010, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/64 "2010-04-19T19:17:51Z")
> [@SoulFrost](#): > > I’ve lived on a ranch in Texas for most of my life. Whenever mutilations happen, the fellows all stand around and talk about how they’ve never seen anything like it–then we go out and shoot the coyote, the big cat, or the hog (yes, _hogs_) that did the deed. Oddly enough, the cow killing stops afterward. And how did they know just what animal to hund down SoulFrost? Two and two isnt making four here.If they stood around saying they had never seen anything like it before are you saying that they had never seen what the big cat did to a cow,or a coyote or a hog to a cow? ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2010, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/65 "2010-04-19T19:20:55Z")
Wouldn’t a serious investigator with a genuine interest in the subject go and check out these stories for themselves, or does everything have to be spoon fed to you? ---
**Author:** ![carol\_nistri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@carol\_nistri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carol_nistri)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2010, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/66 "2010-04-19T19:21:29Z")
The report is the Animal Mutilation report by Ken Rhommel. Its on the net just look for it,then read it. Ask yourself why they did everything but the obvious,and the obvious thing would be to determine the cause of death. Thats it,what killed a healthy range cow,the old saying should be healthy as a cow,not a horse. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2010, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/67 "2010-04-19T19:24:35Z")
What is your explanation? ---
**Author:** ![SoulFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@SoulFrost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoulFrost)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2010, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/68 "2010-04-19T19:37:50Z")
> [@carol\_nistri](#): > > And how did they know just what animal to hund down SoulFrost? Two and two isnt making four here.If they stood around saying they had never seen anything like it before are you saying that they had never seen what the big cat did to a cow,or a coyote or a hog to a cow? Oh, that’s just good ole boys talking. We’ve all seen it before; we know exactly what did it. Still waiting for you to tell us who or what you think is responsible. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2010, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/69 "2010-04-19T19:38:11Z")
> [@carol\_nistri](#): > > um,huh? Right, I’m sorry. I was trying to say that you are jumping past the most reasonable explanation (the cows die by predation or natural causes and are “mutilated” by scavengers and the process of decay) in favor of… well, you haven’t provided a full explanation of what’s happening. So far your whole argument is “the farmers don’t know what it is, so it can’t be something easily explainable.” ---
**Author:** ![SoulFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@SoulFrost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoulFrost)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2010, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/70 "2010-04-19T20:01:10Z")
Aw hell… I got tired of waiting. No matter what is explained to our newest **carol** , I have little doubt that the response will be something along the lines of: > [@carol nistri](#): > > Asking how we can discern between the two will tug firmly at the lynchpin of the entire deception. Some might reject this by assuming all aliens must be positive, that such an exercise in prudence is nothing more than “xenophobic paranoia.” Well, maybe they are letting their biases interfere with their better judgment. Unfortunately this attitude is common today considering the scope and finesse of the alien disinformation campaign. It has been so intricately tailored to human psychological blind spots and emotional weaknesses that all but the most discerning and intuitively astute are being misled. As the saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions: regardless of how much one pursues peace, love, and progress, without necessary awareness of contingencies the results may be just the opposite. > > - [Source](http://www.ufoevolution.com/forums/showpost.php?p=44033&postcount=3) or > [@carol nistri](#): > > so whats the alternative Dr.Wu,to ignore this? To ignore all the worldwide sightings,to ignore the cries for help by those that swear there being abducted? Do we fold our arms across our chests and turn our collective noses skyward? We dont have the hard evidence so ignore all the rest of it? Do you see how silly that is when you put it in print? No one said this would be easy,but the evidence is mounting everyday.Its to the point that the only thing really needed is an announcement from the government that this is quite real. > > - [Source](http://www.ufoevolution.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4587&postcount=7) ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2010, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/71 "2010-04-19T20:20:54Z")
Cattle mutes are serious business. I suspect the answer is either: 1. Druidic attempts to summon the Dark Lord Beelzebull; or 2. Foghorn Leghorn’s revenge for the Chick-fil-A advertising campaign; or 3. Maybe that scavenger thing. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2010, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/72 "2010-04-19T20:37:40Z")
Alien Disinformation Campaign?! I saw those guys at CBGB one time. They were opening for Feral Toilets. ---
**Author:** ![Ellen\_Cherry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellen_cherry/32/3600_2.png) [@Ellen\_Cherry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellen_Cherry)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2010, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/73 "2010-04-19T20:48:02Z")
I have been snickering over the term “cattle mutes” all day. It reminds me of\* My Cousin Vinny\*. “I will PROVE, your honor, that the two mutes were UNABLE to moo!” ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2010, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/74 "2010-04-19T22:15:51Z")
> [@Ellen\_Cherry](#): > > I have been snickering over the term “cattle mutes” all day. I give you a sculpture entitled [“The Daily Cow-Mute.”](http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_a/0_around_edinburgh_-_edinburgh_cow_parade_princes_st_gardens_010024_1024.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2010, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/75 "2010-04-19T23:28:39Z")
As for me, I’d like to know you folks’ opinion of the tow truck industry. What have you heard about it? What do you think about it? ---
**Author:** ![SoulFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@SoulFrost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoulFrost)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2010, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/76 "2010-04-19T23:33:21Z")
> [@AHunter3](#): > > As for me, I’d like to know you folks’ opinion of the tow truck industry. > > What have you heard about it? What do you think about it? I think that tow trucks are useful for disposing of both muted cows and sculptures of muted cows. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/77 "2010-04-20T00:23:22Z")
**carol** – You have **OVER 7,000** posts on a UFO site, linked to by **SoulFrost** above. (Post #70) You believe in aliens and alien abductions, unless I missed something over there. **dr wu23** , from that site, sounds like a pretty level headed guy. He said > [@](#): > > IMO all ‘abductees’ need to see a psychiatrist or psychologist first and then go from there. > > and > > Carol, > In answer to your point I would say it sounds like those people who have that trauma may have a serious psychological problem. Doesn’t mean it’s from aliens though. So, you don’t get validation from other sites, at least from people who are rational, and you come here looking for validation. No go. The cattle were NOT mutilated by aliens, nor were they mutilated by the USGUVMINT. ---
**Author:** ![SoulFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@SoulFrost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoulFrost)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/78 "2010-04-20T00:48:18Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > **dr wu23** , from that site, sounds like a pretty level headed guy. I was thinking the same thing. **carol** : I don’t have any problems with people who believe in aliens… there may be some out there, somewhere. I don’t have any problems with people who believe that Earth has been visited by aliens, despite the vast distances involved… maybe the aliens have warp drive. But I’m really, _really_ going to need some solid evidence before I’ll accept that any given event was caused by aliens or that people are being snatched up by them. The first step in providing that evidence is to show me the damn alien. Ditto on the government cloak and dagger stuff–yes, the US government has gotten up to some pretty nasty stuff, but it’s going to be hard to convince me that they’re counting the rads absorbed by random cow buttholes. ---
**Author:** ![Torpor\_Beast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/71e660/32.png) [@Torpor\_Beast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Torpor_Beast)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/79 "2010-04-20T02:25:27Z")
> [@SoulFrost](#): > > Ditto on the government cloak and dagger stuff–yes, the US government has gotten up to some pretty nasty stuff, but it’s going to be hard to convince me that they’re counting the rads absorbed by random cow buttholes. Indeed. There are strict guidelines for the storage and disposal of radioactive material. And everything is tracked. Stuff like “I just had an idea, fellow stern, conservatively dressed men! Let’s bury 200 barrels of Special Surprise Isotope there and have some cows graze on top of it!” doesn’t really happen. Not to mention the fact that if someone would happen to eat the above-mentioned cow buttholes in their hotdog and keel over from radiation poisoning, there’d be a public scandal of never-before-seen proportions. In the end it’s just much easier to follow the proper disposal procedures than to run a massive, long term cover up after ignoring them. ---
**Author:** ![SoulFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@SoulFrost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoulFrost)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/80 "2010-04-20T02:28:58Z")
> [@Torpor\_Beast](#): > > Indeed. There are strict guidelines for the storage and disposal of radioactive material. And everything is tracked. Stuff like “I just had an idea, fellow stern, conservatively dressed men! Let’s bury 200 barrels of Special Surprise Isotope there and have some cows graze on top of it!” doesn’t really happen. Not to mention the fact that if someone would happen to eat the above-mentioned cow buttholes in their hotdog and keel over from radiation poisoning, there’d be a public scandal of never-before-seen proportions. In the end it’s just much easier to follow the proper disposal procedures than to run a massive, long term cover up after ignoring them. I have it on good authority that there actually _are_ no cow buttholes in hotdogs. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534.md?page=5)