# Ok,Im new here,Carol is the name **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 18, 2010, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534 "2010-04-18T15:34:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/141 "2010-04-22T16:41:53Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > 1. No, they’re not. They understand raising cattle but they don’t necessarily know much about the effects of natural predation of cattle. > > 2. Ranchers in this very thread have shown that they don’t see anything unusual with the state of the dead cattle. They’ve identified the predators, killed them, and the cattle deaths have stopped. This. This is where **carol nistri’s** premise goes off the rails - right at the beginning. Ranchers are not experts in the area of animal death and predation. They may seem to be so, since they are “in the field” with the animals a great deal. (although less so than in the past - many ranchers today are much more “hands off”, and do not have a real connection to the land.) But they are more expert in live animals - dead ones not so much. In addition, if you have 98 ranchers that are knowledgeble about why their cattle have died, and 2 who don’t know from shit what is going on, but espouse a “mysterious conspiracy” theory… guess who is going to get the attention? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/142 "2010-04-22T16:49:04Z")
> [@carol\_nistri](#): > > When a Rancher tells you that this is strange you can believe its strange. This is exactly what you DON’T do: believe something is strange just because someone says so. That’s how you end up with ridiculous conclusions like “El Chupacabra must be nearby” or “aliens are mutilating cattle in experiments.” You bring in someone who can evaluate whether or not it’s strange and then go through the most likely explanations so you can get some facts. > [@](#): > > I havent heard from a single person whos truely interested in this subject Because you’re using these goofy arguments and not explaining yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/143 "2010-04-22T17:25:00Z")
> [@carol\_nistri](#): > > ok lets sum it up.Ranchers are the authority here.They raise these animals for a living.They know cattle,they protect their investments into these animals. When a Rancher tells you that this is strange you can believe its strange. What nonsense. My grandpa, despite being a rancher his entire adult life, knew jack shit about biology and ecology. Not a friggin’ clue. I doubt he could have told a coyote bite from a wolf bite from an anaconda bite. ---
**Author:** ![Pushkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee59a6/32.png) [@Pushkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pushkin)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/144 "2010-04-23T01:20:46Z")
> [@freckafree](#): > > Emo beef! It carves itself! You’d like to [meet the meat](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1nxaQhsaaw&feature=related)? ---
**Author:** ![Ostrya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/35a633/32.png) [@Ostrya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ostrya)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/145 "2010-04-23T04:29:16Z")
Originally Posted by **toodlepip** > [@](#): > > cashew, does your knife also have one of those thingies for picking stones out of horses’ hooves? Are those.. those aren’t stones… are they? I drank a six pack of Bell’s Oberon just before posting, tried to rinse 'em out. My teeth are getting pretty worn down, at least for anyone (even toodlepip 😉 ) to be referring to them as “horses’ hooves”.. so I’ll take that as a complement. 🙂 ~cks the bleaching treament, seems to be reducing the yellowing effect on the almost worthless nubs~ ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/146 "2010-04-23T09:41:00Z")
> [@ghardester](#): > > A cow dies out on the range. The first thing that scavengers, such as coyotes, eat are the soft and easy parts, like chewing out the anus and the udder. The vicera (guts) are the best parts for a scavenger, not the meat. Sometimes they chew off the head and take it away to eat. Birds pick out the eyes. Then flies and bacterial action trim up the torn edges until they look nice and smooth. > > “Look at the surgical precision by which these parts were removed! The animal is completely devoid of internal organs! The udder, eyes, and tongue have been cut out and taken away!” > > Who would do such a thing? Wiley Coyote, that’s who. Well I never! That’s a lie! I never had edible relations with that cow! I don’t have to stick around here an be insulted. _stomps off_ ---
**Author:** ![carol\_nistri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@carol\_nistri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carol_nistri)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/147 "2010-04-23T10:00:59Z")
drums fingers on desk…ok let me point out something to all of you.How many of you believe crop circles are made by us humans,can I see a show of hands? I take it just about all of you do.Now are you familiar with the Alien Face.I tried to cut and paste the face but couldnt.Its important that we know which crop circle Im referring to. > **[Crop Circle Research: The 2002 'Alien Face' Formation](http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/articles/alienface.html)** > > Crop Circle Research, crop circles articles and the international crop circle database ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/148 "2010-04-23T10:03:16Z")
I’m sorry, Carol, but what does that have to do with cow “mutes”? If you want to take the discussion in that direction, you’ll have to state plainly just what you think the connection is. Well? ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/149 "2010-04-23T11:31:38Z")
I am waiting for Jetblast to appear. ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/150 "2010-04-23T11:54:34Z")
carol nistri- have you ever heard of[Dyatlov Pass](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_incident)? ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/151 "2010-04-23T12:22:40Z")
> [@Cicero](#): > > carol nistri- have you ever heard of[Dyatlov Pass](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_incident)? Now, unlike cattle “mutes”, I do find that to be one freaky story. As well as another story from back in the USSR: [quackers](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quacker_(sound)). ---
**Author:** ![carol\_nistri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@carol\_nistri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carol_nistri)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/152 "2010-04-23T13:32:26Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > Now, unlike cattle “mutes”, I do find that to be one freaky story. > > As well as another story from back in the USSR: [quackers](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quacker_(sound)). Oh my,thats interesting,Id never heard that story before thanks Koxinga.:eek: ---
**Author:** ![carol\_nistri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@carol\_nistri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carol_nistri)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/153 "2010-04-23T13:41:29Z")
Ok,what do I think Cattle Mutilations and Crop Circles have in common? In my opinion only,I think there blacker than black operations. I want you to look at that Alien Face and tell me what you think. The shading is fantastic ,the binary code has the worlds silliest message but its the binary code thats convinced me these circles are done on a computer.I dont know how to do it but can someone put that alien face up for all of us to see? Is that possible or does this board not accept images? Whats the conection,thats the obvious question isnt it,but lazer beams comes to mind,now before you scoff do any of you know of Jacquee Vallee? ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/154 "2010-04-23T14:16:17Z")
> [@carol\_nistri](#): > > Ok,what do I think Cattle Mutilations and Crop Circles have in common? In my opinion only,I think there blacker than black operations. I want you to look at that Alien Face and tell me what you think. The shading is fantastic ,the binary code has the worlds silliest message but its the binary code thats convinced me these circles are done on a computer.I dont know how to do it but can someone put that alien face up for all of us to see? Now come on, your own link admits it could be done with a GPS device. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/155 "2010-04-23T14:32:27Z")
That is to say, somebody could create or copy an image and turn it into a set of GPS coordinates, and then it’s just a matter of stamping the wheat down where your GPS device tells you to do so. And an English-language message in “binary” that any college freshman in computer science could create (or decode, for that matter)? There are far more mysterious things in the world than _that_. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/156 "2010-04-23T14:59:59Z")
> [@carol\_nistri](#): > > …notice that Ken Rhommel never names the predator,just the name of Doug and Dave are enough to satisfy the non curious mind. The predators are named Doug and Dave? That’s the name of two people I work with! :eek: They’re not going to mutilate me, are they? ---
**Author:** ![carol\_nistri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@carol\_nistri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carol_nistri)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/157 "2010-04-23T15:05:58Z")
ha ha lol! Ok I asked for that one Mangeout… ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/158 "2010-04-23T15:16:49Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > Now, unlike cattle “mutes”, I do find that to be one freaky story. Me too. I know there’s got to be some logical explanation but I’m sure that when I’m falling asleep late tonight and that story pops into my head, there will be a serious shudder fest. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/159 "2010-04-23T15:21:36Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > Now, unlike cattle “mutes”, I do find that to be one freaky story. Count me in on that reaction. Brrrrrr… ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534/160 "2010-04-23T15:29:17Z")
> [@carol\_nistri](#): > > Is that possible or does this board not accept images? The board only allows links to images, no inline images here. And this is a perfect example of why. The image, by itself, means very little. It’s amusing, but unless you back up in words and logic why it would be impossible for a group of motivated people to make that with relatively simple technology then you’ve really done nothing to advance your case. In fact, since it’s pretty easy to see how a group of hoaxers could make the alien face, you’ve shot your own argument in the foot. You don’t seem to understand the implications of the data you are presenting. Rather than bolstering your case (it’s all black ops) it is merely showing how mundane and simple explanations are more logical. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-im-new-here-carol-is-the-name/536534.md?page=9)