# OK, I've seen The Avengers - open spoilers! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 8, 2012, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234 "2012-05-08T01:37:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/301 "2012-05-15T00:19:35Z")
> [@Dr\_Doom](#): > > Best -audience related- part of the show was when Iron Man just barely makes it through the closing portal, the theater was dead quiet. and then the Hulk jumps up to catch him, some dude yells “FUCKIN’ RIGHT!” and the whole place erupted. My audience’s biggest eruption? Surprisingly, when that cop said _“I want men posted in all these buildings! And I want a perimeter all the way down to 39th!”_ ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/302 "2012-05-15T00:52:17Z")
> [@B.Serum](#): > > While I love that movie tons, no. > > Of all the things a Whedon/Marvel movie would reference, why a minor art house movie about food? True - we all know how much Joss Whedon simply _despises_ obscure pop culture references. ---
**Author:** ![B.Serum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/b.serum/32/14266_2.png) [@B.Serum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/B.Serum)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/303 "2012-05-15T01:24:29Z")
References, yes. But why that one? I think you all are seeing a superficial similarity and making a connection. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/304 "2012-05-15T01:25:37Z")
That’s just we roll. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/305 "2012-05-15T01:30:21Z")
> [@B.Serum](#): > > References, yes. But why that one? Why not? ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/306 "2012-05-15T01:51:51Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > That’s just we roll. You accidentally a verb. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/307 "2012-05-15T02:33:30Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > You accidentally a verb. And… how! ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/308 "2012-05-15T02:37:21Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > And… how! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mekhazzio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@Mekhazzio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mekhazzio)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/309 "2012-05-15T03:18:21Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Now that you mention it, this was the single weak point of the movie for me. Every time Nick Fury was on screen, it was like, “Oh, Sam Jackson.” Like, let’s have Sam Jackson say “stupid-ass” because people will love that, etc. He just didn’t sell the role for me. Heh! Masterful. I can’t tell if this is a serious complaint or a really funny comic book in-joke 😃 (The rebooted Nick Fury comic book character of 2001 was explicitly modeled after Samuel Jackson. Now that the movies have actually been made, it’s come full-circle, so he’s playing himself as his stereotypical movie persona.) ---
**Author:** ![Beastly\_Rotter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/45deac/32.png) [@Beastly\_Rotter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beastly_Rotter)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/310 "2012-05-15T03:26:19Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > True - we all know how much Joss Whedon simply _despises_ obscure pop culture references. Hey, I got that one. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/311 "2012-05-15T06:03:33Z")
Dunno if this has been mentioned before but at the end, why was Loki’s mouth covered up? Its not like his powers are using his voice to take over other people’s minds. Maybe they were just tired of his shit? ---
**Author:** ![si\_blakely](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@si\_blakely](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/si_blakely)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/312 "2012-05-15T07:02:45Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Dunno if this has been mentioned before but at the end, why was Loki’s mouth covered up? Its not like his powers are using his voice to take over other people’s minds. Maybe they were just tired of his shit? In Stuttgart he commanded the crowd to kneel, and they did. He got close to breaking Black Widow just by talking to her. As a demigod, he has power over mortals even without the _Glowstick of Destiny_, and as the trickster, he has the ability to confuse and twist others (even Asgardians) to his will. I think that even Thor would realise that Loki would use their relationship as a weapon/tool to seek escape. And the best approach to avoiding that would be to “shut him up”. Or maybe the censor figured out what _mewling quim_ actually meant, and did not want a repeat 😉 Si ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/313 "2012-05-15T07:14:28Z")
But now, the Avengers face [their greatest challenge!](http://www.gocomics.com/tomthedancingbug) ---
**Author:** ![GovernmentMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@GovernmentMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GovernmentMan)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/314 "2012-05-15T08:10:40Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > drastic quench: > > Why? Has he ever lifted it in the comics? I haven’t been into Marvel in a long time, but last I remember he had never done so. > > I realize there’s some comfort in the idea that someone like Captain America, with his simple, pure-hearted heroism, would be “worthy” of Mjollnir. However, I find it likely that the ancient Viking (or, if you prefer, Asgardian) notion of “worthiness” is very different from the modern Western idea of “worthiness” and that Cap isn’t likely to pick up the hammer. Marvel Asgardians =/= Viking Asgardians You need to be of pure heart, a warrior, have indomitable will, all around dude of honor. I don’t think Cap is that simple anyway. He’s lived in the modern era for how many years now and a master of war. ---
**Author:** ![lawoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/35a633/32.png) [@lawoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lawoot)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/315 "2012-05-15T12:07:39Z")
I know that, at least in the comics past Cap has lifted the Hammer, as has [Beta Ray Bill.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_Ray_Bill) > [@](#): > > (from [wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mjolnir_(comics))) > Mjolnir has been wielded by a select number of other individuals: alien Beta Ray Bill;[18] Avenger Captain America can pick up Thor’s hammer.;[19] Eric Masterson;[20] Odin (Thor’s father); Borr (Thor’s grandfather);[21] and Buri (also known as Tiwaz, Thor’s great-grandfather).[ According to the [Marvel.wikia.com](http://Marvel.wikia.com) website, others who have been deemed worthy to wield [Mjolnir](http://marvel.wikia.com/Mjolnir) in the Earth-616 reality are Tiwaz, Bor, Odin, Beta Ray Bill, Red Norvell, Eric Masterson, Ororo Munroe (X-Man Storm), Steve Rogers (Captain America), Simon Williams (Wonder Man) and Alexander Power (Zero-G of the Power Pack) ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/316 "2012-05-15T13:15:28Z")
> [@Mekhazzio](#): > > Heh! Masterful. I can’t tell if this is a serious complaint or a really funny comic book in-joke 😃 I really, really wish I could take credit for this being some kind of awesome in-joke, but the sad fact is that I haven’t even read the comics. It was just my real criticism of SJ’s acting in the role, I’m afraid. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/317 "2012-05-15T15:29:58Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > But now, the Avengers face [their greatest challenge!](http://www.gocomics.com/tomthedancingbug) What’s really funny is that Thanos is [a rip-off](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanos) of Darkseid, who was created by Kirby for his Fourth World comics when he defected to DC. > [@](#): > > Starlin has admitted the character is influenced by Jack Kirby’s Darkseid: > "Kirby had done the New Gods, which I thought was terrific. He was over at DC at the time. I came up with some things that were inspired by that. You’d think that Thanos was inspired by Darkseid, but that was not the case when I showed up. In my first Thanos drawings, if he looked like anybody, it was Metron. I had all these different gods and things I wanted to do, which became Thanos and the Titans. Roy took one look at the guy in the Metron-like chair and said : “Beef him up! If you’re going to steal one of the New Gods, at least rip off Darkseid, the really good one!” In fact, when I caught the glimpse of a face at the end I thought it was Darkseid and couldn’t figure out how they were going to do that. The New Gods are the worst thing that ever happened to DC, a pollution that continues to spoil comics four decades later. Kirby could draw but he couldn’t write his way out of a hat. Yes, he was extremely influential in the 60s Marvel revolution, and yes, he got screwed just like every other person who worked in comics at the time. Including Stan Lee, who didn’t make any real money until much later. But it was Stan’s writing who changed the comics world, not Kirby’s art. We know this because every single thing Stan did clicked no matter who the artist was, but the reverse can’t be said for Kirby. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/318 "2012-05-15T18:49:09Z")
I liked the scene in _Thor_ where he immobilized Loki, who had been knocked onto his back, just by putting Mjolnir on his chest. > [@lawoot](#): > > … According to the [Marvel.wikia.com](http://Marvel.wikia.com) website, others who have been deemed worthy to wield [Mjolnir](http://marvel.wikia.com/Mjolnir) in the Earth-616 reality are Tiwaz, Bor, Odin, Beta Ray Bill, Red Norvell, Eric Masterson, Ororo Munroe (X-Man Storm), Steve Rogers (Captain America), Simon Williams (Wonder Man) and Alexander Power (Zero-G of the Power Pack) Yeesh. That’s kind of devaluing it, I think. By now, the Boy Scout next door could probably lift it… ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Rieux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Dr.Rieux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Rieux)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/319 "2012-05-15T20:27:42Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > My audience’s biggest eruption? Surprisingly, when that cop said _“I want men posted in all these buildings! And I want a perimeter all the way down to 39th!”_ I thought I recognized that cop–it was Robert Clohessy, who played Officer Coffey on\* Hill Street Blues\*. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/320 "2012-05-15T22:48:17Z")
So I don’t remember, in Thor did Thor/Loki/Odin ever mention being to Earth before? They pretty much flat out said the myths were inspired by them, but I don’t think I recall Thor (or anyone) ever really mentioning “oh, yeah, this place. Huh… I guess they don’t really worship us anymore.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234.md?page=17)