# OK, I've seen The Avengers - open spoilers! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 8, 2012, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234 "2012-05-08T01:37:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/321 "2012-05-15T23:25:20Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > So I don’t remember, in Thor did Thor/Loki/Odin ever mention being to Earth before? They pretty much flat out said the myths were inspired by them, but I don’t think I recall Thor (or anyone) ever really mentioning “oh, yeah, this place. Huh… I guess they don’t really worship us anymore.” Yeah, the opening of Thor takes place on Earth in Viking times. Odin vs Frost Giants. It was not made clear when Thor and Loki were on Earth as adults, but there is a line in there like, “[Frost Giant Realm] isn’t like [Earth] where you can summon some thunder and lightning and be thought a god.” ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/322 "2012-05-15T23:53:43Z")
Plus, in Thor, the foofy one of the Warriors Three said that going to Jotunheim wasn’t like going to Midgard (Earth), where you just call up a few lightnings to impress the babes; he made it sound like a Spring Break kind of place. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/323 "2012-05-16T00:00:57Z")
Ah, I forgot about those (and I would have caught Midgard = Earth, so that was the issue), I probably just forgot about those. I was kind of confused at the very beginning of the movie, and the latter was (iirc) a throwaway line in some mid-battle taunting. Thanks guys. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/324 "2012-05-16T00:03:12Z")
> [@si\_blakely](#): > > In Stuttgart he commanded the crowd to kneel, and they did. He got close to breaking Black Widow just by talking to her. As a demigod, he has power over mortals even without the _Glowstick of Destiny_, and as the trickster, he has the ability to confuse and twist others (even Asgardians) to his will. I think that even Thor would realise that Loki would use their relationship as a weapon/tool to seek escape. And the best approach to avoiding that would be to “shut him up”. I thought the crowd kneeled because he blocked their escape with clones of himself and demonstrated his power that way? And in the scene with Black Widow, she ended up playing him. I never got the impression that his words had any power, just his overwhelming douchery is kind of hard to listen to sometimes ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/325 "2012-05-16T01:34:31Z")
> [@Dr.Rieux](#): > > I thought I recognized that cop–it was Robert Clohessy, who played Officer Coffey on\* Hill Street Blues\*. Hey, good catch! I’ll have to take a closer look next time. But it was Ptl. Flaherty, not Ptl. Coffey, who was played by Ed Marinaro. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/326 "2012-05-16T02:03:09Z")
> [@Dr.Rieux](#): > > I thought I recognized that cop–it was Robert Clohessy, who played Officer Coffey on\* Hill Street Blues\*. The other cop (with no dialog) was played by Enver Gjokaj, who also played Victor on Joss Whedon’s short-lived _Dollhouse_. ---
**Author:** ![Albert\_Rose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de053/32.png) [@Albert\_Rose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Albert_Rose)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/327 "2012-05-16T02:39:59Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > That’s what I often find myself thinking when superheroes/villains fight. “Stop punching him! Grab him in two places and pull in different directions!” And [here](http://www.electricferret.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5090) is the obligatory NSFW Sentry link to answer the question. ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/328 "2012-05-17T14:49:53Z")
I just saw the movie yesterday (5/16/12) so I haven’t been in this thread before hand, but what was the very final scene - after the seemingly endless credits were finally done, in which the Avengers were all sitting around eating at a snack bar -about? Was it supposed to be funny, because if so I didn’t get it. Other than that bit, I loved the movie. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/329 "2012-05-17T14:52:24Z")
> [@zamboniracer](#): > > I just saw the movie yesterday (5/16/12) so I haven’t been in this thread before hand, but what was the very final scene - after the seemingly endless credits were finally done, in which the Avengers were all sitting around eating at a snack bar -about? Was it supposed to be funny, because if so I didn’t get it. > > Other than that bit, I loved the movie. They were eating at the shawarma place that Tony Stark talked about earlier in the movie. And it’s funny to a lot of people because of the juxtaposition between the crazy insane action sequences you’ve just seen, and the clearly exhausted and bone-tired Avengers hanging out eating shawarma. (And because you recognize that they’re at the shawarma place and you weren’t expecting that to turn out to be an actual thing.) Humor is subjective, though, obviously. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/330 "2012-05-17T20:04:05Z")
I didn’t like the movie. The superheros seemed too interchangable. They could all basically fly around, punch really hard, get smashed through walls without any damage and either shoot projectiles that may or may not boomerang back (I guess Cap America couldn’t really fly, but given his ability to drop out of the sky at exactly the right moment, he mind as well have been able to do so). They really needed to give the characters use their individual abilities in creative ways during the fights to make them seem more unique. The plot seemed pretty generic. Evil bureaucrats getting in the heroes way. A super-power object for everyone to fight over. The goody-two-shoes character and the bad-boy are at odds for a while. Yawn The final battle really needed some sort of objective for the alien invaders to try for. They rush through the gate in random bunches and just sort of wander around shooting up the place, making the battle seem pointless. They didn’t even try and secure the portal opening machine. And they weren’t particularly threatening. Some guy kills like 30 of them with a bow and arrow. I was left feeling like the US gov’t could’ve just dispensed with the superhero team and uber-missiles and just sent in a couple thousand marines to fight it out. It had some good bits. I really liked Loki and the actor that played him and the physical comedy was amusing. And flying aircraft carriers are always cool. But the good didn’t really outweigh the bad for me. Obviously most peoples mileage varies. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/331 "2012-05-17T22:29:31Z")
I have a question… Is the Hulk completely invincible? I mean, we saw him taking lazer fire and apparently being damaged, but he did survive a fall at terminal velocity, into a building. And there wasn’t any long-term effect to the lazers. So, can you actually kill the Hulk? Ever? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2012, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/332 "2012-05-18T00:07:23Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I have a question… Is the Hulk completely invincible? I mean, we saw him taking lazer fire and apparently being damaged, but he did survive a fall at terminal velocity, into a building. And there wasn’t any long-term effect to the lazers. So, can you actually kill the Hulk? Ever? He’s pretty much invincible, though like most things, he is as invincible as needed for the plot. Banner ate a bullet, but Hulk spit it our. Hulk shies away from the guns on the fighter jet, but ignores the lasers. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2012, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/333 "2012-05-18T02:01:21Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I have a question… Is the Hulk completely invincible? I mean, we saw him taking lazer fire and apparently being damaged, but he did survive a fall at terminal velocity, into a building. And there wasn’t any long-term effect to the lazers. So, can you actually kill the Hulk? Ever? In the comics, Red Hulk jumped from the moon to the earth. There aren’t enough smilies in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Beastly\_Rotter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/45deac/32.png) [@Beastly\_Rotter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beastly_Rotter)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2012, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/334 "2012-05-18T02:19:51Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > The final battle really needed some sort of objective for the alien invaders to try for. They rush through the gate in random bunches and just sort of wander around shooting up the place, making the battle seem pointless. They didn’t even try and secure the portal opening machine. And they weren’t particularly threatening. Some guy kills like 30 of them with a bow and arrow. I was left feeling like the US gov’t could’ve just dispensed with the superhero team and uber-missiles and just sent in a couple thousand marines to fight it out. I think that was the point, though: Loki’s invasion - which was undertaken purely out of petulance and hubris - wasn’t really planned, and didn’t have proper leadership or tactics. Coulsen was quite right, he lacked commitment: Loki assumed that he would just show up and put on show, slap a few people around with the Glowstick of Doom, sow dissension among the supers, and then when they were split his army would bum-rush the show. Stark called it: Loki was a ful-on diva, and Stuttgart was his prelude; New York was a big show. What Loki lacked, though, was exactly what the Avengers had, which was clear leadership in the field and the ability to extemporise battlefield tactics that played to each of their strengths: when it came to the crunch, they had not just the skills but the commitment, and that was made explicit. I agree that the formula was well-used, but it’s Whedon’s ability to take the old and familiar and make it fresh and interesting that is his major strength as a writer and director. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2012, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/335 "2012-05-18T02:33:14Z")
> [@Beastly\_Rotter](#): > > What Loki lacked, though, was exactly what the Avengers had, which was clear leadership in the field and the ability to extemporise battlefield tactics that played to each of their strengths: when it came to the crunch, they had not just the skills but the commitment, and that was made explicit. They also had a Hulk. Just sayin’… ---
**Author:** ![JCorre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3da27b/32.png) [@JCorre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JCorre)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2012, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/336 "2012-05-18T05:24:36Z")
I think this is the right thread to ask this (though I haven’t read all 7 pages so excuse me if this has already been answered). How does Cap’s shield work? Thor gave a full-on, no holds barred blow to Cap and the result was something akin to a major explosion that should have turned Cap into pulp. I assumed that the nature of his shield protected him from the kinetic energy and saved his life. However in the final battle he went into some building to save civilians and the explosive that the aliens used pushed Cap out of the building (via his shield). So either the shield protects him from the kinetic energy or it doesn’t. Which is it? ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2012, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/337 "2012-05-18T06:01:46Z")
It absorbs and nullifies energy, except when he throws the shield and it ricochets somehow, because comics. ---
**Author:** ![JCorre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3da27b/32.png) [@JCorre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JCorre)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2012, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/338 "2012-05-18T06:29:20Z")
Right. It absorbs the energy unless its needed to repulse the wearer. Doesn’t matter really. Liked the movie just wondered if this was explained anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![si\_blakely](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@si\_blakely](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/si_blakely)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2012, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/339 "2012-05-18T08:29:05Z")
> [@JCorre](#): > > Right. It absorbs the energy unless its needed to repulse the wearer. > > Doesn’t matter really. Liked the movie just wondered if this was explained anywhere. It is referred to in _Captain America: The First Avenger_. Howard Stark has an array of shields of different shapes, all with weapons. Cap spots the simple disk shield, and Stark is somewhat dismissive, but he explains that it is make of [Vibranium](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibranium), and the shield is the only sample, and that it absorbs vibrations. Cap takes the shield. Si ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2012, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/340 "2012-05-18T10:46:36Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > So I don’t remember, in Thor did Thor/Loki/Odin ever mention being to Earth before? They pretty much flat out said the myths were inspired by them, but I don’t think I recall Thor (or anyone) ever really mentioning “oh, yeah, this place. Huh… I guess they don’t really worship us anymore.” Well, he’s started out in a small town and then went to New York. If a god can make it there, he can make it anywhere…🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234.md?page=18)