# OK, I've seen The Avengers - open spoilers! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 8, 2012, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234 "2012-05-08T01:37:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![heathen\_earthling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/13edae/32.png) [@heathen\_earthling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/heathen_earthling)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/21 "2012-05-08T12:20:48Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > And of course I’d love anything that could set up a Magneto connection (though Fox apparently owns the rights to the X-Men movies so no Avengers/X-Men crossover anytime soon). Why do Fox and Disney refuse to collaborate on stuff like this? Wouldn’t an Avengers/X-Men crossover film just mean huge profits for both of them? ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/22 "2012-05-08T13:12:27Z")
I wouldn’t mind seeing the Ant-Man and the Wasp in the sequel. I would also like to see Monica Rambeau (She was called “Captain Marvel” at first, but now goes by “Photon”) : > **[Monica Rambeau](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Rambeau)** > > Monica Rambeau is a superhero appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. Created by writer Roger Stern and artist John Romita Jr., the character first appeared in The Amazing Spider-Man Annual #16 (October 1982). Monica gained super powers after being bombarded by extradimensional energy produced by an energy disruptor weapon. She joined and eventually became leader of the Avengers for a time. She was also a member of Nextwave and the latest Ultimates team. The character has Ak... ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/23 "2012-05-08T13:14:35Z")
> [@Bakhesh](#): > > Antman would be useless in this lineup of Avengers, but a Giantman/Goliath might work ok Giant-Man/Goliath – shucks, that’s just more strength and toughness alongside Thor and the Hulk; Ant-Man can work otherwise impossible feats of sheer damn sneakiness. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/24 "2012-05-08T13:21:22Z")
> [@heathen\_earthling](#): > > Why do Fox and Disney refuse to collaborate on stuff like this? Wouldn’t an Avengers/X-Men crossover film just mean huge profits for both of them? It would probably open up a legal can of worms with regard to who owns the rights. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/25 "2012-05-08T13:29:29Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > She “stabbed” one of the Chitauri in the back of the neck with it. Is this the scene where she stabs one of the Chitauri and takes command of his flying thing? I wasn’t really clear what was happening there. It looked like she was controlling the Chitauri, who was still flying the craft (rather than taking over the controls herself, I mean). Also, yes, thanks for the non-spoiler-box thread. Phew. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/26 "2012-05-08T13:36:08Z")
Can someone tell me what Hulk said after slamming Loki around? I was laughing too hard to hear. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/27 "2012-05-08T13:38:17Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Can someone tell me what Hulk said after slamming Loki around? I was laughing too hard to hear. “Puny god.” And yeah, I had to look that up when I got home. I’ve seen the movie in the theater twice now, and both times, the audience was still roaring so loudly that the line got drowned out. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/28 "2012-05-08T13:42:46Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > Good, that last thread got tedious. > > Think they’ll hold a direct conflict with Thanos off for the third movie? > > Any one else not care about Hank Pym ever making it to the screen? It seems like most people just want him in as a shoe-in for Ultron. [Hank just kept missing the call.](http://www.cracked.com/blog/why-it-sucks-to-be-ant-man-forgotten-avenger/) That’s all. It looked like, at the end, they were setting up the separate characters’ sequels. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/29 "2012-05-08T13:47:21Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > “Puny god.” > > And yeah, I had to look that up when I got home. I’ve seen the movie in the theater twice now, and both times, the audience was still roaring so loudly that the line got drowned out. Which is too bad, because it was funnier than the beat-down itself. Speaking of the Hulk, I have a question about the battered motorcycle that Bruce Banner rides into the Manhattan conflagration. Is this an allusion to something? Whedon lingers on the shot of Banner and the bike a bit longer than I would think for a “here’s Hulk” moment. Has Banner ever had a bike like that in the comics? Or might this be a reference to something Ruffalo (or Harry Dean Stanton) had done previously? ---
**Author:** ![heathen\_earthling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/13edae/32.png) [@heathen\_earthling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/heathen_earthling)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/30 "2012-05-08T13:49:02Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > It would probably open up a legal can of worms with regard to who owns the rights. How so? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/31 "2012-05-08T14:10:04Z")
> [@heathen\_earthling](#): > > Why do Fox and Disney refuse to collaborate on stuff like this? Wouldn’t an Avengers/X-Men crossover film just mean huge profits for both of them? I would guess it might be because it would be difficult for two studios to work together on such a big budget film. It would be twice as many executives to make decisions on who to hire, how big the budget is, when to release it, and all the other things that can be contentious even on smaller films. Each studio would be looking out for their own interests. And there’d be two sets of Hollywood accountants deciding who pays how much for everything and how to split the profits. Even if the Avengers/X-Men made a huge amount of money, the profits would still have to be split between the two companies, so it might be less trouble and equally profitable to separately make two blockbuster movies instead of working together to make one mega-blockbuster movie. ---
**Author:** ![DarkFire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/34f0e0/32.png) [@DarkFire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DarkFire)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/32 "2012-05-08T14:54:00Z")
I thought the Widow was excellent in this movie. Reasons for her to be there: - she was already part of the team before there was a team (as a top field agent of SHIELD. Even though she’s not truely a soldier. She and Hawkeye commented on that) - at this time there are no other useable super heroes. It’s not really a choice they had. - Her elite training (she started as a kid, she says so to Banner) allows her to outmatch the Chitauri troops. - She took their own weapons and used them. So she wasn’t just using two small hand guns. - She looked damn fine. A friend of mine (not a comic book geek) and I (a comic book geek) discussed future movies and if they should add heroes to the roster. While I geeked out about the options, he was hesitant. He knows these people now. Introducing others will take time/shift focus from the ones that he likes. So yeah, maybe introduce one or two people at the most. Like they sort of did with Hawkeye in this one. But no complicated stories like Ant-Man and Ultron right away. Though of course they can use the other movies to slowly introduce people. Like I totally expect Thanos to somehow show himself in the next Thor movie. After all, the Infinity Gauntlet was in the treasure room iirc. Oh, and I am definitely 75% sure Black Widow used her stings when she was sitting on the shoulders of a Chitauri and basically blasted him in the side of the head/neck with them. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/33 "2012-05-08T14:56:14Z")
> [@DarkFire](#): > > Oh, and I am definitely 75% sure Black Widow used her stings when she was sitting on the shoulders of a Chitauri and basically blasted him in the side of the head/neck with them. I am 100% sure. During my second viewing of the film I specifically looked for the scene. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/34 "2012-05-08T14:57:34Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > It looked like, at the end, they were setting up the separate characters’ sequels. Didn’t Stark and Banner ride off together? I would love a Hulk and Iron Man movie. Ruffalo is great, but I just don’t think the Hulk works that great as a solo character movie. It’s all fun Banner action, but then once he Hulks out you lose most of the character. You need the Hulk smashing while Stark makes the quips. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/35 "2012-05-08T15:15:35Z")
May I ask a possibly stupid question? Was there any particular significance to Harry Dean Stanton playing the fellow who spoke to Bruce Banner after Hulk fell from the sky? I had the feeling I was missing an inside joke… ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/36 "2012-05-08T15:31:51Z")
> [@simster](#): > > well, there weren’t just any handguns - they had +1 armor/durability and an infinity clip. > > That, in a movie about superheros, is my biggest single qualm. I give credit to the movie makers that at least they gave them purposeful roles. Captain America being the soldier is the one that comes up with the tactics in the fight. Black Widow is the intel officer doing the interrogations. Hawkeye is the sniper. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/37 "2012-05-08T15:34:04Z")
I am of the opinion that they shouldn’t add anybody to the team. Period. I don’t care how much I or another geek want to see a different character. It just wouldn’t work. This movie was a gem, but how often can you say that? History seems to be showing that you get three movies out of a character before you have to stop and reboot. That’s an 8-10 year cycle. Then you have to stagger the films to prevent fratricide. So we are looking at Iron Man 3, Thor 2 & 3, Cap 2 & 3, Avengers 2 & 3, and maybe another Hulk/Iron Man (good idea!) movie. That’s 12 years or so of work for Marvel without introducing a single new hero. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/38 "2012-05-08T15:35:39Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > May I ask a possibly stupid question? Was there any particular significance to Harry Dean Stanton playing the fellow who spoke to Bruce Banner after Hulk fell from the sky? I had the feeling I was missing an inside joke… Harry Dean Stanton played in the original Alien movie. He asked Banner if he was an alien. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/39 "2012-05-08T15:36:12Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > May I ask a possibly stupid question? Was there any particular significance to Harry Dean Stanton playing the fellow who spoke to Bruce Banner after Hulk fell from the sky? I had the feeling I was missing an inside joke… No significance, Whedon just thought he would be perfect in the role. [THE AVENGERS: Joss Whedon On Harry Dean Stanton's Cameo; Why He Was Chosen For His Scene With Mark Ruffalo](http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=59032) ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/40 "2012-05-08T15:48:58Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Didn’t Stark and Banner ride off together? I would love a Hulk and Iron Man movie. Ruffalo is great, but I just don’t think the Hulk works that great as a solo character movie. It’s all fun Banner action, but then once he Hulks out you lose most of the character. You need the Hulk smashing while Stark makes the quips. That’s kind of my feeling, too. Movie Hulk is more mindless/Id orientated than Comic Hulk, and really is unsuited to being a central character in a series of movies. I’ve heard that Ruffalo had signed on to do six movies with Marvel, I think we’ll see him in (maybe) one Hulk movie (the Leader is now out there), an Iron Man movie, another Captain America movie (probably a cameo), and two more Avengers movies. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234.md?page=3)