# OK, I've seen The Avengers - open spoilers! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 8, 2012, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234 "2012-05-08T01:37:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/121 "2012-05-09T18:08:44Z")
FoieGrasIsEvil: > [@](#): > > Don’t give them any ideas! OK, Rick Moranis would be a bad idea here…but I got to that point by thinking of an Ant-Man movie starting from the “Man in the Ant Hill” story which was Hank Pym’s first comics appearance, and then it occurred to me that that’s pretty much exactly how “Honey I Shrunk the Kids” played out. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/122 "2012-05-09T18:16:34Z")
Hulk can guide his fall just as much, if not more so, than a skydiver pre-chute. With that kind of altitude, miles of horizontal travel aren’t out of the question. Those wing suit guys go even further, and certainly Hulk’s mass catches even more air. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/123 "2012-05-09T18:20:48Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > Hulk can guide his fall just as much, if not more so, than a skydiver pre-chute. With that kind of altitude, miles of horizontal travel aren’t out of the question. Those wing suit guys go even further, and certainly Hulk’s mass catches even more air. I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/124 "2012-05-09T18:40:28Z")
> [@prodicus](#): > > And he says neither “buckle up” nor “pucker up”. He says “clench up”. This is what I heard also. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/125 "2012-05-09T18:43:14Z")
> [@](#): > > …and certainly Hulk’s mass catches even more air. If we’re talking real-world physics, he’d catch more air, but it’d be less significant at guiding him. Square-cube law and all that. I don’t have any problem accepting that he could aim enough to hit one or two buildings over, though, especially not in a comic book movie. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/126 "2012-05-09T18:46:37Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > If we’re talking real-world physics, he’d catch more air, but it’d be less significant at guiding him. Square-cube law and all that. > > I don’t have any problem accepting that he could aim enough to hit one or two buildings over, though, especially not in a comic book movie. Hehe. Yes, but how many Hulks could dance on the head of pin. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/127 "2012-05-09T18:48:03Z")
> [@prodicus](#): > > And he says neither “buckle up” nor “pucker up”. He says “clench up”. Ooh, that’s right, and “clench” is the funniest possible word to use in that line. Joss wins again! As for CA’s and Thor’s characterization, yeah, it sounds like it helped a lot to have seen the previous movies. For me, they paled so much in comparison to Iron Man and Hulk that it really showed. If those two had been weaker, I wouldn’t have noticed so much. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/128 "2012-05-09T18:59:31Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Right before Tony grabbed him by the collar and took him to his perch above the fray. Ah, thanks. Have to listen more closely next time. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/129 "2012-05-09T19:18:21Z")
We left after the scene where the alien guys are saying ‘Humans are tougher than we thought’ and the red guy grins… Do you mean to tell me there was another epilogue after that? ::Sigh:: ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/130 "2012-05-09T19:21:59Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > Do you mean to tell me there was another epilogue after that? **::Sigh::** Yet you quoted the only line in the second epilogue. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/131 "2012-05-09T20:07:01Z")
> [@prodicus](#): > > And he says neither “buckle up” nor “pucker up”. He says “clench up”. > [@Skammer](#): > > This is what I heard also. For the record I heard “cinch up” as in “cinch up your bow you’re going up high” ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/132 "2012-05-09T20:17:00Z")
Is this going to be like the Vorlons in _Babylon 5_, where we all hear what we wanted to hear? According to my wife, who remembers these things, it’s “clench.” ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/133 "2012-05-09T20:53:59Z")
I’ll have to listen very carefully next time I see it. I heard it as “pucker up” the first time. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/134 "2012-05-09T20:54:03Z")
Some math requested for someone who knows the math. When Hulk punched the giant flying centipede in the nose and brought to a stop on a dime, how fast would his fist have had to be moving to counteract that momentum so that the Hulk wasn’t thrown backwards? ---
**Author:** ![B.Serum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/b.serum/32/14266_2.png) [@B.Serum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/B.Serum)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/135 "2012-05-09T21:02:43Z")
I really enjoyed this movie and really only have minor quibbles that might just be subjective. One of those quibbles was the approach to Hawkeye. While I LOVED the treatment of his equipment (quiver loading payloads) and demonstrated the idea of tricked-out arrowheads without it looking goofball (ala boxing glove arrows); I thought using the Ultimates-version of the character left his character being just a bit dour. Some of the key defining characteristics of the comics version is that he’s a bit of a smart-alecky scoundrel who doesn’t always look before he leaps. I think those character traits are an ideal “feet of clay” for a person whose skills are all about accuracy and control. The Ultimates-assassin incarnation feels a bit one-dimensional by contrast. (Also, for some reason, I can’t help but see Josh Lucas as Clint Barton, but I know that’s just something I’ve sculpted in my head). A secret-agent Hawkeye and Black Widow movie? Yes. Emphatically. Show me where to sign up. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/136 "2012-05-09T21:23:43Z")
> [@B.Serum](#): > > I really enjoyed this movie and really only have minor quibbles that might just be subjective. > > One of those quibbles was the approach to Hawkeye. While I LOVED the treatment of his equipment (quiver loading payloads) and demonstrated the idea of tricked-out arrowheads without it looking goofball (ala boxing glove arrows); I thought using the Ultimates-version of the character left his character being just a bit dour. Some of the key defining characteristics of the comics version is that he’s a bit of a smart-alecky scoundrel who doesn’t always look before he leaps. I think those character traits are an ideal “feet of clay” for a person whose skills are all about accuracy and control. The Ultimates-assassin incarnation feels a bit one-dimensional by contrast. (Also, for some reason, I can’t help but see Josh Lucas as Clint Barton, but I know that’s just something I’ve sculpted in my head). > > A secret-agent Hawkeye and Black Widow movie? Yes. Emphatically. Show me where to sign up. Thinking about it, they may have missed the mark a bit by not making Hawkeye the snarky quipster, but Iron Man seemed to fill that role more than needed. ---
**Author:** ![Mekhazzio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@Mekhazzio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mekhazzio)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/137 "2012-05-09T21:24:54Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > When Hulk punched the giant flying centipede in the nose and brought to a stop on a dime, how fast would his fist have had to be moving to counteract that momentum so that the Hulk wasn’t thrown backwards? That depends on the mass of the serpent and the mass of the Hulk. In the case of the latter, the only thing known for sure is that it varies wildly as the plot requires 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Frazzled](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frazzled/32/3368_2.png) [@Frazzled](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frazzled)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/138 "2012-05-09T21:27:15Z")
Anybody else think Agent Coulson isn’t dead? Yes, he stopped breathing right as help arrived but the camera cut away before anybody started to work on him. We only found out that the medics “called it” over the speakerphone. Add to that that Fury followed his advice and used him as the lightning rod to bring the Avengers together as a team (even going so far as to take the cards from his locker before showing them to CA). Finally, we never actually saw a body nor a funeral. I expected to see him recovering at the end of the movie but suspect he’ll make an appearance in the next one. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/139 "2012-05-09T21:45:18Z")
> [@](#): > > (even going so far as to take the cards from his locker before showing them to CA). Even going so far as to take the cards from his locker _and get blood all over them_. That’s going pretty far. And gross. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/140 "2012-05-09T21:49:59Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > Some math requested for someone who knows the math. > > When Hulk punched the giant flying centipede in the nose and brought to a stop on a dime, how fast would his fist have had to be moving to counteract that momentum so that the Hulk wasn’t thrown backwards? I’m not sure if I’m misunderstanding your question, but Hulk _was_ driven backwards in that scene. His feet dug through several feet – possibly even a few yards – of asphalt before he came to a stop. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234.md?page=8)