# OK, I've seen The Avengers - open spoilers! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 8, 2012, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234 "2012-05-08T01:37:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/141 "2012-05-09T21:54:41Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Even going so far as to take the cards from his locker _and get blood all over them_. That’s going pretty far. > And gross. And effective. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/142 "2012-05-09T21:55:40Z")
I was actually expecting Agent Hill to add “And it was _my_ blood!” ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/143 "2012-05-09T22:05:25Z")
> [@KneadToKnow](#): > > I’m not sure if I’m misunderstanding your question, but Hulk _was_ driven backwards in that scene. His feet dug through several feet – possibly even a few yards – of asphalt before he came to a stop. I’m sure I was wrong, but watching it I didn’t notice any backwards movement. He tuns into the Hulk in the process of jumping into the punch and pow. Regardless, he hit something that must have weighed hundreds of times more than him (I know it is comic book physics but he is able to walk without buckling the pavement below him (or the decks of a flying airgraft carrier), that was moving at a pretty good clip and brought it to a stop either with no backwards movement or very little. Again, I’m not bothered by the cartoon physics, just curious about them if they were real. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/144 "2012-05-09T22:10:22Z")
The Hulk has been portrayed as having varying levels of strength, immovability and invulnerability. How strong, inert and indestructible he is in any given situation is, usually, exactly as much as he needs to be. If you must think of it in terms of math, think of him as an infinitely-powerful positive feedback situation. Remember his original origin story: He was struck with the just-outside-ground-zero radiation wave, thermal flash and impact wave of a gamma ray (atom) bomb, _in Banner form_, and didn’t die. To me, _that_ is why, when he ate a bullet, the Hulk spit it out, and why he’s able to inhale one breath as Banner and exhale as the Hulk, then stop a multi-ton flying alien cockroach with one punch. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/145 "2012-05-09T22:12:31Z")
> [@Frazzled](#): > > Anybody else think Agent Coulson isn’t dead? I suppose anything is possible in a comic book movie, but I don’t think this is likely. It would be one hell of a manipulative move to pull on a group of people you may want to work with in the future. If any of them finds out he wasn’t actually dead, you’re not going to be high on their list of “People I can Trust in the Sequel”. Also, it’d be a hell of a thing to do to a guy’s collection of vintage cards if you knew he was still alive. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/146 "2012-05-09T22:25:46Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > Hulk can guide his fall just as much, if not more so, than a skydiver pre-chute. With that kind of altitude, miles of horizontal travel aren’t out of the question. Those wing suit guys go even further, and certainly Hulk’s mass catches even more air. > [@Chronos](#): > > If we’re talking real-world physics, he’d catch more air, but it’d be less significant at guiding him. Square-cube law and all that. > > I don’t have any problem accepting that he could aim enough to hit one or two buildings over, though, especially not in a comic book movie. And given his mass, his terminal velocity would be WAY higher than your typical skydiver, which gives him less time to execute horizontal movement. > [@obfusciatrist](#): > > Some math requested for someone who knows the math. > > When Hulk punched the giant flying centipede in the nose and brought to a stop on a dime, how fast would his fist have had to be moving to counteract that momentum so that the Hulk wasn’t thrown backwards? Hulk did move backwards. He punched the face of the thing down into the ground and then slid about twenty feet backwards, feet digging in, the entire surface area of the lower half of the beast’s face digging in as well. This didn’t stop the creature, it just flipped end-over-end as it’s front end got caught and the momentum carried the rest of the creature up and over the Hulk and its own half-buried face. Once that happened enough of a curve was put into its battle armor that Iron Man could put a missile into the soft inner bits and blow it up before it squashed the rest of the team. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/147 "2012-05-09T22:38:46Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > One thing that I _didn’t_ like was the Council that Fury reported to. First of all, they were a bit over-the-top in their bureaucratic evil, seeming to exist only to give Fury someone to rebel against, and always doing the exact wrong thing so as to justify his constant rebellion. Second, who the heck are these people, that they’re in a position to authorize the nuking of Manhattan? Shouldn’t the President be involved in that decision? It strained my suspension of disbelief. I think they were more like a depiction of the relationship between Joss Whedon and any set of TV/Film executives… ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/148 "2012-05-09T22:43:18Z")
Dang, I never really cared much about Thanos. ---
**Author:** ![GreedySmurf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a698b9/32.png) [@GreedySmurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreedySmurf)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/149 "2012-05-09T23:04:33Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > We left after the scene where the alien guys are saying ‘Humans are tougher than we thought’ and the red guy grins… > > Do you mean to tell me there was another epilogue after that? ::Sigh:: Not in the version I saw ☹ I went to see it last night, and I had heard about the second after credits piece so stayed around, but it wasn’t there. As to the actual movie itself, I’m a comic geek from way back, and I absolutely adored this movie. So much that I happily ignored the few minor ‘that doesn’t make sense bits’ The dialogue was just quintessential Whedon, and I loved some of the nods to otherwise minor canon bits that many other directors would have ignored or not known about. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/150 "2012-05-09T23:08:12Z")
**Re: Iron Man’s Legolas line** Both times I saw the movie that line didn’t get much of a laugh from anyone but me. Posters here are saying they didn’t hear it. I think that has a lot to do with the fact that Robert Downey Jr. did not pronounce it the same way it is pronounced in the recent _Lord of the Rings_ movies. He pronounces it “LEE-go-las”. I think because of the alternate pronunciation people are missing it. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/151 "2012-05-09T23:43:34Z")
> [@Mtgman](#): > > And given his mass, his terminal velocity would be WAY higher than your typical skydiver Ummm…am I being whooshed? Didn’t Galileo disprove that notion? ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/152 "2012-05-10T00:08:05Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > **Re: Iron Man’s Legolas line** > > Both times I saw the movie that line didn’t get much of a laugh from anyone but me. Posters here are saying they didn’t hear it. > > I think that has a lot to do with the fact that Robert Downey Jr. did not pronounce it the same way it is pronounced in the recent _Lord of the Rings_ movies. He pronounces it “LEE-go-las”. I think because of the alternate pronunciation people are missing it. The audience I saw it with laughed. My audience was largely Latino and Asian families (that’s my neighborhood). ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/153 "2012-05-10T00:46:32Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Ummm…am I being whooshed? Didn’t Galileo disprove that notion? Nope. In the presence of air resistance, a heavier object will have a greater terminal velocity than a lighter object of similar size and shape. Terminal velocity is reached when air resistance equals weight. The heavier object has to reach a greater speed in order for the air resistance to equal its weight. ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/154 "2012-05-10T01:04:48Z")
Why did Tony Stark call Thor “Point Break”? Is it a reference to the Keanau Reeves movie? ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/155 "2012-05-10T01:08:34Z")
As far as the Hulk, remember tht deep down, he IS Banner. Yes, he’s Banner’s rage personified. But he does have the same basic motivations as Banner: the same likes, loves, and enemies. Banner was angry at SHIELD, so the Hulk viewed it as his enemy, possibly including Black Widow (or she was just there). ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/156 "2012-05-10T01:21:15Z")
> [@MadTheSwine](#): > > Why did Tony Stark call Thor “Point Break”? Is it a reference to the Keanau Reeves movie? Yup. Though he was referring to Patrick Swayze’s character. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/157 "2012-05-10T01:25:30Z")
> [@GreedySmurf](#): > > Not in the version I saw ☹ > > I went to see it last night, and I had heard about the second after credits piece so stayed around, but it wasn’t there. It was added just before the US release, so if you’re not in the US, you didn’t get to see it. I have no idea why they did it that way, though. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/158 "2012-05-10T05:18:48Z")
> [@](#): > > Ummm…am I being whooshed? Didn’t Galileo disprove that notion? First rule of science: What you actually observe is true, no matter who tells you it isn’t. Ever see a feather fall? It really does fall very slowly. If you’ve got a notion of physics that says that isn’t so, then you’re misapplying it. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/159 "2012-05-10T10:20:15Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > First rule of science: What you actually observe is true, no matter who tells you it isn’t. Ever see a feather fall? It really does fall very slowly. If you’ve got a notion of physics that says that isn’t so, then you’re misapplying it. A feather has more air resistance. But we aren’t talking about a feather here…more the difference between a man and tank. Both would have the same terminal velocity, would they not? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/160 "2012-05-10T14:04:09Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > It was added just before the US release, so if you’re not in the US, you didn’t get to see it. I have no idea why they did it that way, though. Well, now I feel a little better. I saw the Thanos scene but in our Montreal theater, the lights came up immediately afterward, suggesting that was it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234.md?page=9)