# OK, I've seen The Avengers - open spoilers! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 8, 2012, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234 "2012-05-08T01:37:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/161 "2012-05-10T14:26:28Z")
As an afterthought, what’s the deal with Pepper’s bare-footedness? I was almost expecting a moment where she washed Stark’s armor like [this](http://www.toy-invasion.com/epages/61205477.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61205477/Products/1052&ViewAction=ViewProductDetailImage). ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/162 "2012-05-10T14:29:16Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > As an afterthought, what’s the deal with Pepper’s bare-footedness? I was almost expecting a moment where she washed Stark’s armor like [this](http://www.toy-invasion.com/epages/61205477.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61205477/Products/1052&ViewAction=ViewProductDetailImage). Would’ve worked for me. Hey, did Stark have a movie-reference name for everybody? Point Break, Reindeer Games, Legolas… ---
**Author:** ![AndrewL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@AndrewL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndrewL)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/163 "2012-05-10T14:31:06Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > As an afterthought, what’s the deal with Pepper’s bare-footedness? I was almost expecting a moment where she washed Stark’s armor like [this](http://www.toy-invasion.com/epages/61205477.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61205477/Products/1052&ViewAction=ViewProductDetailImage). Whedon has a thing for feet. Nearly every movie he’s done lately has lingering shots of a woman’s bare feet somewhere. We should be grateful that he didn’t find an excuse to have a superpowered teenage girl beating up monsters somewhere in the movie. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/164 "2012-05-10T14:54:15Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Even going so far as to take the cards from his locker _and get blood all over them_. That’s going pretty far. > And gross. And it ruined some classic, mint condition Captain America cards. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/165 "2012-05-10T14:58:30Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > It was added just before the US release, so if you’re not in the US, you didn’t get to see it. I have no idea why they did it that way, though. It was only filmed a couple weeks ago (apparently, they had to do some work and pull some camera tricks to hide Chris Evans’ new beard). There wasn’t any time to add it into the earlier cuts. > [@RikWriter](#): > > A feather has more air resistance. But we aren’t talking about a feather here…more the difference between a man and tank. Both would have the same terminal velocity, would they not? No, why would they? There would also be a difference in air resistance between a man and a tank, so they’d have different terminal velocities. Even for a single human being, terminal velocity depends on positioning of limbs. Falling face down and spread eagled will produce a lower terminal velocity than if you pulled all your limbs in and balled up. This part should be apparent from all those free fall stunt teams who manage to adjust their relative altitudes in order to coordinate forms. ---
**Author:** ![Pitchmeister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pitchmeister/32/3459_2.png) [@Pitchmeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pitchmeister)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/166 "2012-05-10T15:13:35Z")
I saw the movie last night, knowing absolutely nothing about any Avengers character, (well, I did know Thor has a hammer and Hulk likes to smash things), and I absolutely loved it! Great action scenes, likable characters and awesome one-liners. Due to a recommendation from a Doper I stayed til the very end (as I usually do), and I also did not get to see the Schawarma scene. What was up with that? I probably need to see all the other movies now, any recommendations with regards to sequence, or are they all completely seperate? Any movies I can give a miss? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/167 "2012-05-10T15:18:20Z")
> [@Pitchmeister](#): > > I saw the movie last night, knowing absolutely nothing about any Avengers character, (well, I did know Thor has a hammer and Hulk likes to smash things), and I absolutely loved it! Great action scenes, likable characters and awesome one-liners. > > Due to a recommendation from a Doper I stayed til the very end (as I usually do), and I also did not get to see the Schawarma scene. What was up with that? > > I probably need to see all the other movies now, any recommendations with regards to sequence, or are they all completely seperate? Any movies I can give a miss? They’re kind of in order, but they’re (aside from the two Iron Man movies) all actually supposed to happen at the same time… Hulk (Edward Norton version, not Eric Bana) Iron Man Iron Man II Thor Captain America ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/168 "2012-05-10T15:22:34Z")
You could skip Iron Man 2, but Black Widow has her first appearance there. The Incredible Hulk isn’t terrible, but also not essential. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/169 "2012-05-10T15:32:06Z")
> [@Pitchmeister](#): > > Due to a recommendation from a Doper I stayed til the very end (as I usually do), and I also did not get to see the Schawarma scene. What was up with that? As someone else said, that scene was filmed and added late on and added to the North American release. ---
**Author:** ![Pitchmeister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pitchmeister/32/3459_2.png) [@Pitchmeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pitchmeister)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/170 "2012-05-10T15:33:28Z")
I’m a bit sceptical about Thor and Captain America, here’s why: I found the Thor and Loki characters to be a bit boring, to tell you the truth, and I can’t quite imagine what the movie would feel like. Captain America seems like a caricature of himself, starting with his name and uniform, isn’t it quite jarring to see him on a WWII battlefield fighting actual Nazis with guns? (For that matter, I believe superheroes should not use firearms, it seems against the rules somehow.) That movie has got to be all kinds of cheesy without a massive amount of self-deprecation - does it have that? I really want to find out how Stark invented the Iron Man suit, that seems really cool. The Hulk transformation would also be great to see. ---
**Author:** ![Pitchmeister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pitchmeister/32/3459_2.png) [@Pitchmeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pitchmeister)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/171 "2012-05-10T15:37:09Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > As someone else said, that scene was filmed and added late on and added to the North American release. Just saw a really bad pirated version of it on YouTube, seems like a fun scene. Too bad they didn’t put it in the German release (even though I watched the English language version). ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/172 "2012-05-10T15:38:09Z")
> [@Pitchmeister](#): > > I’m a bit sceptical about Thor and Captain America, here’s why: > > I found the Thor and Loki characters to be a bit boring, to tell you the truth, and I can’t quite imagine what the movie would feel like. > > Captain America seems like a caricature of himself, starting with his name and uniform, isn’t it quite jarring to see him on a WWII battlefield fighting actual Nazis with guns? (For that matter, I believe superheroes should not use firearms, it seems against the rules somehow.) That movie has got to be all kinds of cheesy without a massive amount of self-deprecation - does it have that? > > I really want to find out how Stark invented the Iron Man suit, that seems really cool. The Hulk transformation would also be great to see. ‘Thor’ didn’t really do it for me, to be honest. ‘Captain America’ surprised me by not being anywhere near as cheesy as it could have been. Also, IIRC, the baddies are Hydra although they are connected to the Nazis. ‘Iron Man’ is essential. ‘Iron Man 2’ less so, but still watchable. ‘The Incredible Hulk’ pretty much starts off with Banner as the Hulk. It is kind of a sequel to Ang Lee’s ‘Hulk’ but it in a way that they really want to pretend that it didn’t exist. ‘The Incredible Hulk’ refers to the transformation and shows some flashback footage (in a rather jump cut way). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/173 "2012-05-10T15:41:25Z")
> [@Pitchmeister](#): > > Captain America seems like a caricature of himself, starting with his name and uniform, isn’t it quite jarring to see him on a WWII battlefield fighting actual Nazis with guns? (For that matter, I believe superheroes should not use firearms, it seems against the rules somehow.) He’s shown using a gun in the movie, and gets a number of action scenes alongside Allied soldiers who do likewise. (That’s not a spoiler; it’s in the commercials.) > [@](#): > > That movie has got to be all kinds of cheesy without a massive amount of self-deprecation - does it have that? It does, but as the movie goes on they play it increasingly straight. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/174 "2012-05-10T16:05:58Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Ummm…am I being whooshed? Didn’t Galileo disprove that notion? Of course. Galileo’s skydiver/Hulk drop tests are well documented. He found that the average skydiver would accelerate at the same rate as the average Hulk if dropped in a vacuum. Unfortunately, the Grand Duke of Tuscany cut off his funding after one of the seals ruptured and the rapid compression caused the Tower of Pisa to start leaning. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Man\_In\_Black](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@The\_Man\_In\_Black](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Man_In_Black)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/175 "2012-05-10T16:20:00Z")
> [@simster](#): > > angle of body, a properly timed flatulance burst - “hulk! Fart!” ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/176 "2012-05-10T21:56:22Z")
I didn’t read this whole thread, but I thought the movie sucked… probably because I knew nothing about the characters. How did Banner become The Hulk? Or Captain America get super powers, (they said something about him being trapped in ice?) How did people know Thor and Loki before they came to Earth? The Tesseract, an energy source, that also is a door to another universe? Where/how did we get it? Why did the aliens want to take over Earth? Some of these questions may have been answered, but I didn’t catch any of them. Maybe it was because the man in back of me was snoring. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/177 "2012-05-10T22:00:51Z")
Some of it was explained in previous movies, but some is just pop culture. I’d think anyone who would go to see this movie would know how the Hulk came to be, who Captain America is and probably more than a little about Iron Man. That’s just part of the American zeitgeist these days. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/178 "2012-05-10T22:06:21Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > I didn’t read this whole thread, but I thought the movie sucked… probably because I knew nothing about the characters. How did Banner become The Hulk? Or Captain America get super powers, (they said something about him being trapped in ice?) How did people know Thor and Loki before they came to Earth? The Tesseract, an energy source, that also is a door to another universe? Where/how did we get it? Why did the aliens want to take over Earth? > > Some of these questions may have been answered, but I didn’t catch any of them. Maybe it was because the man in back of me was snoring. Banner became the Hulk because he was researching the super-soldier serum that created Captain America in World War II. Thor had been to Earth previously, when a small town got flattened in a fight. The Tesseract was used by a Nazi sub-group to make weapons, and was lost in the ice when Captain American crashed into the arctic. It was found by Howard Stark, Ironman’s father, who was a friend of Captian America and searched for him after his disappearance. The aliens didn’t want to take over Earth, they wanted the Tesseract, and Loki promised it to them, if they would give him an army to take over the Earth. Loki wants to take over the Earth because he’s been banished and his brother loves it. I should note that all of these things were said in the film. If the guy behind you was snoring so loud that you couldn’t hear, you should have told him to wake up, or called an usher. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/179 "2012-05-10T22:17:10Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Banner became the Hulk because he was researching the super-soldier serum that created Captain America in World War II. Thor had been to Earth previously, when a small town got flattened in a fight. The Tesseract was used by a Nazi sub-group to make weapons, and was lost in the ice when Captain American crashed into the arctic. It was found by Howard Stark, Ironman’s father, who was a friend of Captian America and searched for him after his disappearance. The aliens didn’t want to take over Earth, they wanted the Tesseract, and Loki promised it to them, if they would give him an army to take over the Earth. > > Loki wants to take over the Earth because he’s been banished and his brother loves it. > > I should note that all of these things were said in the film. If the guy behind you was snoring so loud that you couldn’t hear, you should have told him to wake up, or called an usher. I recall some of that… but it’s hard to piece together all the back story by only small bits of dialog devoted to catch people up on what’s going on. Thanks for helping me understand though. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234/180 "2012-05-10T23:24:33Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > I recall some of that… but it’s hard to piece together all the back story by only small bits of dialog devoted to catch people up on what’s going on. Thanks for helping me understand though. 🙂 Bear in mind, each of those sentences was an entire two-hour movie, condensed down. I’m thinking this movie didn’t put much effort into explaining the setup for people who are new to the franchise. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-ive-seen-the-avengers-open-spoilers/621234.md?page=10)