# OK, Liberal, fess up...the over-the-top Obama love is a put on, isn't it? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 12, 2009, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-liberal-fess-up-the-over-the-top-obama-love-is-a-put-on-isnt-it/480933 "2009-01-12T16:53:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-liberal-fess-up-the-over-the-top-obama-love-is-a-put-on-isnt-it/480933/81 "2009-01-14T21:04:07Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > It has been flatly asserted that Bush used illegal drugs. No qualifiers like “possibly” or “some people think” - a clear, definite assertion. OK, let’s see where it has been definitely established. Has he admitted it? He has not. [Read. Learn.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush_substance_abuse_controversy#Illegal_drugs) Even **Bricker** accepts it. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-liberal-fess-up-the-over-the-top-obama-love-is-a-put-on-isnt-it/480933/82 "2009-01-14T21:40:27Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > Obama said somewhere that he had tried to be a Muslim terrorist 30 years ago? [He sure did](http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/barack_my_muslim_faith/). 😉 Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-liberal-fess-up-the-over-the-top-obama-love-is-a-put-on-isnt-it/480933/83 "2009-01-14T21:56:58Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > [He sure did](http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/barack_my_muslim_faith/). > 😉 > > Regards, > Shodan The smiley doesn’t make this not stupid. It was a verbal typo that, even if it were true, would not establish what you are claiming. ---
**Author:** ![Indistinguishable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/90ced4/32.png) [@Indistinguishable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indistinguishable)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-liberal-fess-up-the-over-the-top-obama-love-is-a-put-on-isnt-it/480933/84 "2009-01-14T22:22:57Z")
It wasn’t even a verbal typo. In text, it would look like this: Barack Obama: You’re absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about ‘my Muslim faith’. Scare quotes, see? I.e., “You’re absolutely right that John McCain has not even made the spurious suggestion that I have a Muslim faith.” It’s clear that this was Obama’s meaning, given his response to the interviewer’s miscorrection. (And, yeah, having Muslim faith does not imply being a Muslim terrorist.) ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-liberal-fess-up-the-over-the-top-obama-love-is-a-put-on-isnt-it/480933/85 "2009-01-14T23:00:48Z")
It doesn’t matter. Muslims are Christian anyway, [according to Rand Rover](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10692137&postcount=126). ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-liberal-fess-up-the-over-the-top-obama-love-is-a-put-on-isnt-it/480933/86 "2009-01-14T23:14:15Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Especially since “I tried” implies “I was unsuccessful”. So if I said, “I tried marijuana”, you would conclude that I was unsuccessful at smoking weed? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-liberal-fess-up-the-over-the-top-obama-love-is-a-put-on-isnt-it/480933/87 "2009-01-14T23:17:30Z")
What about “I experimented with pot”? Would that imply he used a Bunsen burner? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-liberal-fess-up-the-over-the-top-obama-love-is-a-put-on-isnt-it/480933/88 "2009-01-14T23:20:21Z")
> [@](#): > > So if I said, “I tried marijuana”, you would conclude that I was unsuccessful at smoking weed? No, if you said “I tried to smoke marijuana”, then I would assume you had failed for some reason. “I tried to walk” implies “I couldn’t walk”. “I tried walking” means you were successful in the attempt but had discontinued the effort for some reason. > [@Indistinguishable](#): > > It wasn’t even a verbal typo. Actually, it was, which is why the interviewer corrected him (and he accepted it). This has become a faith-based argument, where evidence is going to be interpreted however it needs to be to support the assumptions. And I am not in the mood to argue with the moral equivalent of creationists just now. Have fun with your denial fest. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-liberal-fess-up-the-over-the-top-obama-love-is-a-put-on-isnt-it/480933/89 "2009-01-15T00:42:45Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > you would conclude that I was unsuccessful at smoking weed? I for one wouldn’t believe that. Nobody could possibly be that big a loser. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2009, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-liberal-fess-up-the-over-the-top-obama-love-is-a-put-on-isnt-it/480933/90 "2009-01-15T03:33:06Z")
“tried to do” is actually more blatantly lawyerly than what the meaning of “is” “is.” Never in my 52 years have I “tried” to to **do** pot. I either did or didn’t – just like anyone else. OTOH, it would make much more apologetic sense, in the context of “I tried to do Panama Red”…to add that PR might not have been available ATM, thus I settled for some shitty swag instead. Then again, who’d trust a politician to give us the Straight Dope? Coke? I think I know one or two people that were able to keep it under control. And that’s out of 15 to 20 friends that weren’t capable of same – self included for an extremely short yet very intense, two week period. Thus I’d say it’d be wise to keep blow (in any form) out of The WH. Should all drugs be legal? Dunno. I struggle with that one listening to both sides and I’m still undecided. Pot, for me, doesn’t even enter the equation. The only reason it isn’t is due to plain old economics and the enormous resulting capacity to buy Gov officials – DEA on up. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2009, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-liberal-fess-up-the-over-the-top-obama-love-is-a-put-on-isnt-it/480933/91 "2009-01-15T04:17:16Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No, if you said “I tried to smoke marijuana”, then I would assume you had failed for some reason. But that is not what Bush said: > [@](#): > > “I wouldn’t answer the marijuana questions,” Bush says. “You know why? Because I don’t want some little kid doing **what I tried.** Not “tried to do”. He said “what I tried”. Which was marijuana. He tried marijuana, and succeeded. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2009, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-liberal-fess-up-the-over-the-top-obama-love-is-a-put-on-isnt-it/480933/92 "2009-01-15T04:24:23Z")
Didn’t like pot. Coke, OK, pretty much. But liquid stupid? Oh, my yes. Figures. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-liberal-fess-up-the-over-the-top-obama-love-is-a-put-on-isnt-it/480933.md?page=4)