# OK, NOW I'm REALLY annoyed with the Anti-vaccination crowd **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 27, 2007, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-im-really-annoyed-with-the-anti-vaccination-crowd/420704 "2007-09-27T17:50:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-im-really-annoyed-with-the-anti-vaccination-crowd/420704/121 "2007-09-30T02:47:26Z")
[QUOTE=foresam] Lavender Blue, I don’t understand your anger. I don’t ask for, or take any money for advising parents how to help autistic children. I just share my experience with chelation to help poisoned children. I think you might have mixed up a few facts. Mumps only makes men sterile if they have it as adults. So, it might be a good shot to have if you’re at risk. get it when you’re about 12. Jackmanni, “…it’s incredible to me that someone could so blithely wish “a bit of suffering” on children who could be protected from blindness, disability and even death by vaccination.” No pain, no gain. [/QUOTE] You advocate [this](http://www.vaccineinformation.org/photos/mumpiac001.jpg) for children . . . and you don’t understand my anger? There is never a good reason to get a preventable illness. Oh and the kids you allegedly advocate for aren’t poisoned. They have an illness that is probably genetic in origin, one that has been diagnosed in larger numbers because of differing diagnostic criteria. Either learn something or go away. ---
**Author:** ![Pullet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Pullet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pullet)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-im-really-annoyed-with-the-anti-vaccination-crowd/420704/122 "2007-09-30T02:51:10Z")
No, no, **Dangerosa! Foresam** should stay. This [QUOTE=foresam] The CDC doesn’t include ADD, etc in their numbers because they have no clue what they’re talking about. They also like to lie a lot to protect their pals in the drug companies. You have to take everything they say with a grain of salt. [/QUOTE] Is damned hilarious. With a grain of salt, he says! I had to get another, dryer keyboard just to post this ---
**Author:** ![foresam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3bc359/32.png) [@foresam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foresam)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-im-really-annoyed-with-the-anti-vaccination-crowd/420704/123 "2007-09-30T03:00:23Z")
Is the picture mumps? So what, the kid’ll be fine in less than two weeks. When I had those diseases, I enjoyed the time off from school, played baseball in the back yard, no big deal. Oh, a better diagnosis sucker! LOL! Autism could never be missed. It’s a nightmare and would have always been identified if it had existed. No, autism is not genetic. If it was, we wouldn’t be able to cure it with chelation. The better diagnosis BS is just a sham that is coupled with the increase in self diagnosed Asperger’s that gets misrepresented as autism to obfuscate the truth. I’m already an expert in autism so I doubt there’s anything you can teach me. But, if you learn how we can tweak chelation so we can cure everyone, I’d be happy to listen. [QUOTE=LavenderBlue] You advocate [this](http://www.vaccineinformation.org/photos/mumpiac001.jpg) for children . . . and you don’t understand my anger? There is never a good reason to get a preventable illness. Oh and the kids you allegedly advocate for aren’t poisoned. They have an illness that is probably genetic in origin, one that has been diagnosed in larger numbers because of differing diagnostic criteria. Either learn something or go away. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-im-really-annoyed-with-the-anti-vaccination-crowd/420704/124 "2007-09-30T03:01:24Z")
The do it yourself chelation therapy **foresam** apparently advocates must surely be considered child abuse in many places. Can you really practice medicine on your child without a nursing degree or M.D. ? Forget the stupidity and dangerousness of the practice. How can it possibly be legal? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-im-really-annoyed-with-the-anti-vaccination-crowd/420704/125 "2007-09-30T03:05:57Z")
There is a term for this, when otherwise normal people – or even geniuses like Linus Pauling, who won a Nobel Prize for really good work but then went off on that wacko vitamin-C nonsense – deeply and truly believe something that is SO far out in Left Field as to defy belief. But I cannot remember what it’s called. Does anyone know what that term is? ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-im-really-annoyed-with-the-anti-vaccination-crowd/420704/126 "2007-09-30T03:09:01Z")
[QUOTE=foresam] Is the picture mumps? So what, the kid’ll be fine in less than two weeks. When I had those diseases, I enjoyed the time off from school, played baseball in the back yard, no big deal. Oh, a better diagnosis sucker! LOL! Autism could never be missed. It’s a nightmare and would have always been identified if it had existed. No, autism is not genetic. If it was, we wouldn’t be able to cure it with chelation. The better diagnosis BS is just a sham that is coupled with the increase in self diagnosed Asperger’s that gets misrepresented as autism to obfuscate the truth. I’m already an expert in autism so I doubt there’s anything you can teach me. But, if you learn how we can tweak chelation so we can cure everyone, I’d be happy to listen. [/QUOTE] No big deal is not how most people would describe a condition with the risk of all kinds of potentially serious [complications](http://www.medinfo.co.uk/conditions/mumps.html). You’re not an expert in anything but quackery and misinformation. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-im-really-annoyed-with-the-anti-vaccination-crowd/420704/127 "2007-09-30T03:18:08Z")
> [@](#): > > You’re not an expert in anything but quackery and misinformation. Maybe foresam can team up with that oddball hookworm-therapy advocate who was on here a short while ago and open a clinic. Except foresam would have to charge NOT to give a vaccination. ---
**Author:** ![maggenpye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@maggenpye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maggenpye)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-im-really-annoyed-with-the-anti-vaccination-crowd/420704/128 "2007-09-30T03:20:54Z")
All the doctors are lying, all the medical journals are backing them up - and the medical evidence that Chelation Therapy has the same net benefits as placebo treatment were made up. People, thousands of children are at risk of ADD (or is it Autism, you seem to have jumped from one to the other **Foresam** ) instead of cheerfully taking a couple of weeks off school for mumps, or Whooping Cough or Diptheria! Oh, you had mumps and it only took a couple of weeks to get over it? Just as well it wasn’t measles [Youth and migration](http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=53506) > [@](#): > > An overwhelming majority of the 561 deaths occurred in Nigeria’s northern region, where doctors say people are wary of vaccinations largely for religious reasons. And of the 23,575 cases recorded so far this year, WHO said more than 90 percent of the total were in the north. And that 561 is just the deaths, not the long term ill, the permanently disabled. But they must be making that up, yeah? All part of the conspiracy. Again, don’t you fucking dare assume you care more for your kids that I do for mine. Your idiocy I can handle, you’re not uncommon. Your smugness is ugly. ---
**Author:** ![Gorgonzola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e480ec/32.png) [@Gorgonzola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorgonzola)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-im-really-annoyed-with-the-anti-vaccination-crowd/420704/129 "2007-09-30T04:18:28Z")
I can’t believe you’re all talking to **foresam**. That ship has sailed. > [@kingpengvin](#): > > Oddly enough when looking a child mortality statistics I found and article saying perhaps teh larger number of autistic children may be related to the greater number of children actually surviving through their first few years in life. > > Sort of makes sense. If I recall correctly, detecting Autism in many cases doesn’t happen until the later years so many infants who may have had it and died early would never have been noted. There’s a fellow named Lonnie Zwaigenbaum who is identifying the younger sibs of autistic children in the early toddler years, between one and two years, with good reliability. A fair bit can be done to mitigate the effects of autism in the years before six, so early identification is useful. For those who wonder about the increase in diagnosis for various neuropsychiatric disorders, consider that William Gull coined the term for anorexia nervosa as recently as 1868, and you can be damn sure there was plenty of it before then, if you look at recorded history and literature. The ability to diagnose mental illness in a culture depends on factors as divergent from the practice as politics and economics. If I had to answer the question, “Why?” I’d probably say, “Greater access to health care and public health education.” ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-im-really-annoyed-with-the-anti-vaccination-crowd/420704/130 "2007-09-30T04:20:29Z")
[QUOTE=Gorgonzola] For those who wonder about the increase in diagnosis for various neuropsychiatric disorders, consider that William Gull coined the term for anorexia nervosa as recently as 1868, and you can be damn sure there was plenty of it before then, if you look at recorded history and literature. The ability to diagnose mental illness in a culture depends on factors as divergent from the practice as politics and economics. If I had to answer the question, “Why?” I’d probably say, “Greater access to health care and public health education.” [/QUOTE] Sorry for the hijack, but…William Gull? Not the same Jack the Ripper suspect doctor? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-im-really-annoyed-with-the-anti-vaccination-crowd/420704/131 "2007-09-30T04:59:05Z")
From the [Red Cross](http://www.redcross.org/article/0,1072,0_332_4141,00.html): _"Thursday, March 10, 2005 — Deaths by measles have been cut almost in half over the last five years thanks in part to mass vaccination campaigns supported by the Measles Initiative. The World Health Organization (WHO) and the United Nations Children’s Fund announced March 3 that deaths have fallen by 39 percent between 1999 and 2003 from 873,000 to an estimated 530,000. "_ There are still hundreds of thousands of measles deaths around the world annually. Those deaths can be prevented if we can get vaccines to those kids, and if their parents are not scared away from vaccination by fearmongering and bad science. Said **foresam** in [a previous thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=437925): > [@](#): > > BTW, if you remove the thimerosal, I am in favor of vaccines. According to **foresam** in _this_ thread: > [@](#): > > Of course, (children) would be more healthy if their immune systems got a workout by fighting off measles, mumps and rubella like my generation did. The MMR shot is idiocy at its’ finest. Care to explain how you’ve suddenly morphed into a full-fledged antivaxer? Should we blame mercury for these “toxic loads” you’re dropping on us? ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-im-really-annoyed-with-the-anti-vaccination-crowd/420704/132 "2007-09-30T05:05:42Z")
It is Conspiracy. One so vast, so well-organized that the lack of any proof is all the evidence you need. ---
**Author:** ![maggenpye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@maggenpye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maggenpye)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-im-really-annoyed-with-the-anti-vaccination-crowd/420704/133 "2007-09-30T06:18:56Z")
[QUOTE=Paul in Saudi] It is Conspiracy. One so vast, so well-organized that the lack of any proof is all the evidence you need. [/QUOTE] Thank you so much for restoring my sense of humour. I feel much better now. There wasn’t any mercury in that joke, was there? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Testy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c37758/32.png) [@Testy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Testy)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-im-really-annoyed-with-the-anti-vaccination-crowd/420704/134 "2007-09-30T08:55:14Z")
[QUOTE=Siam Sam] Anti-vaccine folks in the US – and I guess elsewhere in the West; only heard about them in the US myself – appear very odd at best to Third World families who would kill to get their children vaccinated. [/QUOTE] **Siam Sam** The ones in the US and Europe have never lost a kid to measles or mumps. and have no idea what it’s like to hear a kid coughing up their lungs from whooping cough. They are ignorant and happy in their ignorance and the only good thing to say for them is that with any luck they’ll contract fatal cases of the diseases they refuse to vaccinate against. My only regret for these people is that they either weren’t around or didn’t refuse the smallpox vaccination. Testy ---
**Author:** ![foresam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3bc359/32.png) [@foresam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foresam)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-im-really-annoyed-with-the-anti-vaccination-crowd/420704/135 "2007-09-30T11:41:55Z")
I care much more for my kids than you do for yours. I care so much that I educated myself on the facts that asshole MD’s wouldn’t tell me about. They committed malpractice on my children by giving them 200 times as much mercury as is thought to be safe and the bastards continue to tell me there’s no known cause or cure for autism. These jackasses didn’'t even know how much mercury was in those vaccines. They just took the word of the drug companies and the idiotic public employees at the CDC who got their jobs by kissing some politicians ass. Once some people dug up the truth, our despicable medical profession simply tried to stonewall that truth to protect themselves from lawsuits and damage to their reputations. They know how to cure mercury poisoning but they refuse to help the children they poisoned with their negligence. I think there’s about 600 doctors associated with DAN who are not a bunch of assholes like their colleagues and are helping these poisoned kids. The only idiot here is you. A few kids die from measles who live in squalid conditions and that’s a defense for unsafe vaccines? What the hell is wrong with you people? Vaccines have poisoned millions of children. Do you have any clue exactly how horrible autism is? The severe cases would be much better off dead. Sinjce I don’t advocate killing children, I think the humane thing to do is cure them. Anyone who takes sides against curing autism through their abject ignorance of how to go about it should be made to spend a few weeks caring for a few severely autistic children to fully understand the nightmare. Now, if you have some manners and pay attention, I’ll teach the lot of you how to cure this doctor induced horror show. [QUOTE=maggenpye] All the doctors are lying, all the medical journals are backing them up - and the medical evidence that Chelation Therapy has the same net benefits as placebo treatment were made up. People, thousands of children are at risk of ADD (or is it Autism, you seem to have jumped from one to the other **Foresam** ) instead of cheerfully taking a couple of weeks off school for mumps, or Whooping Cough or Diptheria! Oh, you had mumps and it only took a couple of weeks to get over it? Just as well it wasn’t measles [http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=53506](http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=53506) And that 561 is just the deaths, not the long term ill, the permanently disabled. But they must be making that up, yeah? All part of the conspiracy. Again, don’t you fucking dare assume you care more for your kids that I do for mine. Your idiocy I can handle, you’re not uncommon. Your smugness is ugly. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![KathleenSeidel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5daacb/32.png) [@KathleenSeidel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KathleenSeidel)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-im-really-annoyed-with-the-anti-vaccination-crowd/420704/136 "2007-09-30T12:01:10Z")
[QUOTE=Jackmannii] …it’s incredible to me that someone could so blithely wish “a bit of suffering” on children who could be protected from blindness, disability and even death by vaccination. [/QUOTE] Incredible – brutal, even – and also very Anthroposophical. Arthur Allen describes the Anthroposophical rejection of vaccination in [Vaccine](http://www.amazon.com/dp/0393059111?tag=neurodiversit-20&camp=14573&creative=327641&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0393059111), as well as in a previous article, [Bucking the Herd.](http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/articles/AtlanticMonthlyVaccines.html) Anthroposophy guru Rudolf Steiner taught that disease is karmic compensation for demonically-provoked human error, and that it is an essential stage in the process of soul-purification and soul-evolution – a physical experience that enables the soul to open to spiritual experiences. Here’s from a lecture he gave in 1917 or thereabouts. > [@](#): > > “Man cannot escape his karma. Through such measures he is not freed from that which he would otherwise have sought. From this we may conclude that if the karmic reparation is escaped in one direction, it will have to be sought in another. When we abolish certain influences, we merely create the necessity of seeking other opportunities and influences. Let us assume that many epidemics, communal causes of illness, can be traced to the fact that victims are seeking to remove what they have karmically fostered within themselves. This is the case, for instance, with smallpox which is the organ of unlovingness. Although we may be in a position to remove the possibility of this disease, the cause of unlovingness would still remain, and souls in question would then be forced to seek another way for karmic compensation either in this or in another incarnation” (Steiner, Rudolf. Manifestations of Karma. Rudolf Steiner Press London, 1995 p144). > > "Suppose that a great number of people had felt impelled - due to their unloving attitude to their fellow human beings - to absorb certain infectious substances in order to succumb to an epidemic. Let us further suppose that we could do something about this epidemic. In that case we would prevent the outer physical nature from expressing the unloving disposition while failing to remove the inner inclination to unlovingness. What we need to envisage now is the following: by removing the outer organ of unlovingness we actually incur an obligation of working into the soul in such a way as to remove its inclination to unlovingness. The organ of unlovingness is killed in the most complete sense - in the outer physical sense - through the smallpox vaccination. Spiritual scientific research has shown, for example, that smallpox developed during a time when the general inclination towards egotism and unlovingness reached a particular climax. That is when smallpox emerged in the outer organism. This is a fact. In anthroposophy it is our duty to speak truthfully. > > “This will enable you to understand why vaccination was introduced in our time. You will also understand why the best minds of our time display a kind of aversion against the practice of vaccination. This aversion corresponds to something within, it is the outer expression of an inner reality. What I would like to say is this: if on the one hand we kill the organ we incur an obligation to follow suit by working to transform the respective person’s materialistic nature by means of a spiritually oriented education. This would be the necessary counterpart of our measure. Without it our work is incomplete. Indeed, we are merely accomplishing something to which the person in question will somehow have to produce a counterpart in a later incarnation when he has the smallpox poison within him while the inner characteristic predisposing him to smallpox has been removed. If we destroy the susceptibility to smallpox, we are concentrating only on the external side of karmic activity.” (Steiner, Rudolf. Manifestations of Karma. Rudolf Steiner Press London, 1995 p140). According to [Anthroposophical M.D. Michaela Glockler](http://www.waldorflibrary.org/Journal_Articles/GW3603.pdf): > [@](#): > > Vaccinations weaken the immune system and the ego development. To combat this, we must fill ourselves with love, idealism, joy, enthusiasm, religion and culture! Here’s a [scary tale](http://www.mothering.com/articles/growing_child/child_health/healing_crisis.html) from a mom who adopted the “sick is good” philosophy espoused by zealous Anthroposophist and anti-vaccinationist [Dr. Philip Incao.](http://www.waldorflibrary.org/Journal_Articles/GW3414.pdf) And here’s a [snarky memoir](http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/articles/Smith-Hald.html) from someone who could have been her son. [QUOTE=Jackmannii] In their view, viruses are harmless or even beneficial _unless_ they are present in a deactivated state in vaccines. [/QUOTE] Oh, but they’re cute when they’re stuffed. Here’s [chicken pox,](http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/chickenpox.html) [pertussis](http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/cough.html) and [polio.](http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/polio) ---
**Author:** ![11811](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/9d8465/32.png) [@11811](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/11811)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-im-really-annoyed-with-the-anti-vaccination-crowd/420704/137 "2007-09-30T12:26:55Z")
[QUOTE=overlyverbose] **Sarahfeena** , I’m with you on this one. That woman sounds like a moron. I can’t believe she’d expect everyone else to vaccinate their children just so her unvaccinated kid can avoid infection. While she’s at it, maybe she should require that they put all the other kids into plastic bubbles as an additional preventive method. If it inhibits their development, well, at least _her_ kid will look ahead of the curve. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] Maybe this idiot could just pull a condom down over her head to prevent her from transmitting her woolly-headed ideas to the general populace. Call it prophylactic mental hygiene. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-im-really-annoyed-with-the-anti-vaccination-crowd/420704/138 "2007-09-30T12:28:23Z")
[QUOTE=foresam] Now, if you have some manners and pay attention, I’ll teach the lot of you how to cure this doctor induced horror show. [/QUOTE] Why am I guessing this will involve hookworms? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-im-really-annoyed-with-the-anti-vaccination-crowd/420704/139 "2007-09-30T12:54:16Z")
Imagine a message board full of **foresam** s. You now understand what I was talking about earlier. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-im-really-annoyed-with-the-anti-vaccination-crowd/420704/140 "2007-09-30T13:06:21Z")
[QUOTE=Siam Sam] Maybe foresam can team up with that oddball hookworm-therapy advocate who was on here a short while ago and open a clinic. [/QUOTE] Hey, the hookwork stuff could work. Maybe. That’s the difference. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-im-really-annoyed-with-the-anti-vaccination-crowd/420704.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-im-really-annoyed-with-the-anti-vaccination-crowd/420704.md?page=8)