# OK ,Now Tiger Woods domination is over **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 11, 2009, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-tiger-woods-domination-is-over/495983 "2009-05-11T01:01:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-tiger-woods-domination-is-over/495983/41 "2009-05-16T19:47:16Z")
If you don’t know that Tiger has changed his swing, either you’re not an expert on the golf swing or you haven’t been paying attention to the coverage of what he’s done. [http://www.golf.com/golf/gallery/article/0,28242,1881733,00.html](http://www.golf.com/golf/gallery/article/0,28242,1881733,00.html) Look through the whole sequence and read how he’s changed his swing to relieve tension on his knee. Color me in complete disbelief that adding muscle cannot change your game for the worse. It’s obviously good to a point, and it is equally obvious that at some point, more muscle will change your swing and change your game. The only question is at what point. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-tiger-woods-domination-is-over/495983/42 "2009-05-16T22:42:16Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Miller was a very good golfer for a short time. He knows something about golf. He knows nothing about the impact of weightlifting and the golf swing. Most of the young pros of today are lifting. they are hitting longer than the old days. They are better athletes. > I see no evidence that Tiger has changed his swing . Then you are not looking very hard at all. His swing plane and his follow through now compared to last year are significantly different. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-tiger-woods-domination-is-over/495983/43 "2009-05-17T01:30:07Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > Then you are not looking very hard at all. His swing plane and his follow through now compared to last year are significantly different. Due to his knee not an extra half inch on his arms. When you hurt a knee you make adjustments to diminish the pain. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-tiger-woods-domination-is-over/495983/44 "2009-05-17T01:41:14Z")
[http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3920290&name=sobel\_jason](http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3920290&name=sobel_jason) Here’s an ESPN article saying exactly that. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-tiger-woods-domination-is-over/495983/45 "2009-05-17T13:19:25Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Due to his knee not an extra half inch on his arms. When you hurt a knee you make adjustments to diminish the pain. Which is it? First you said his swing hasn’t changed at all. Now you assert that it’s changed only because of the knee. Well? And how can anyone possibly tell what effect upon his swing having larger biceps has had? Did the analysis you linked attempt to address the issue? How could they address the issue without having had some group of similarly biceped golfers to compare to? And what subtle changes would it create? Not to mention that the analysis would have to be of swing flaws, not the swing itself. Try again. Note, I’m not asserting the biceps have had anything to do with it. I’m simply saying you’re off base with your analysis here. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-tiger-woods-domination-is-over/495983/46 "2009-05-17T14:38:53Z")
He favored the screwed up knee to diminish the pain. The knee has been fixed. Therefore he can swing like he used to. It is not about weight lifting. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-tiger-woods-domination-is-over/495983/47 "2009-05-17T19:24:05Z")
Boy, you really aren’t getting it. Tiger’s swing NOW is protecting his operated upon knee. Not his swing from before the injury. His swing NOW. Get that? And that’s not to say that the biceps aren’t impacting the swing. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-tiger-woods-domination-is-over/495983/48 "2009-05-18T01:36:44Z")
He used to swing with no knee pain. Then when it got hurt and floated ,he changed his swing to lessen the pain. His knee is now OK. He has resumed his old swing. The biceps are irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-tiger-woods-domination-is-over/495983/49 "2009-05-18T03:04:18Z")
Good lord, you don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re reminding me of an old boss of mine who once said that he had “never swung a golfing-stick.” Except he didn’t put on airs that he knew anything about swing mechanics! ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-tiger-woods-domination-is-over/495983/50 "2009-05-18T09:25:57Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > He used to swing with no knee pain. Then when it got hurt and floated ,he changed his swing to lessen the pain. His knee is now OK. He has resumed his old swing. The biceps are irrelevant. You don’t even know what you are talking about. Tiger has had at least three different swings prior to the debacle with the knee last year. And the article you linked to from Jason Sobel didn’t talk about the new Tiger swing other than to include a comment from Tiger saying how nice it was not to have bones moving about, which could easily be a reference to how it felt in 2008 when he was swinging with a destroyed ligament. But the analysis linked to previously by **Ravenman** shows that the new swing is designed to protect the knee from further damage. This is probably based upon a realization that the old swing (swing #3) was inflicting damage upon the knee in a slow process. In sum, Tiger’s current swing is not the same as what he was swinging in 1997, when he had swing #1 and won the Masters, or swing #2, which he used to destroy the 2000 U.S. Open, or swing #3 which he used to mop up the world in 2007. Get it? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-tiger-woods-domination-is-over/495983/51 "2009-05-19T02:35:51Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > You don’t even know what you are talking about. Tiger has had at least three different swings prior to the debacle with the knee last year. And the article you linked to from Jason Sobel didn’t talk about the new Tiger swing other than to include a comment from Tiger saying how nice it was not to have bones moving about, which could easily be a reference to how it felt in 2008 when he was swinging with a destroyed ligament. > > But the analysis linked to previously by **Ravenman** shows that the new swing is designed to protect the knee from further damage. This is probably based upon a realization that the old swing (swing #3) was inflicting damage upon the knee in a slow process. > > In sum, Tiger’s current swing is not the same as what he was swinging in 1997, when he had swing #1 and won the Masters, or swing #2, which he used to destroy the 2000 U.S. Open, or swing #3 which he used to mop up the world in 2007. Get it? I get that you are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-tiger-woods-domination-is-over/495983/52 "2009-05-19T11:20:49Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > I get that you are wrong. Ah, yes, the famous **gonzomax** logic. Say it, and it’s so. Don’t present any evidence, don’t present any logical arguments, don’t do anything to support your assertions (which are confused and contradictory), just say, “I’m right, you’re wrong.” How silly of me to have thought this could be a discussion involving actual, you know, mature reasoned thinking processes… :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-tiger-woods-domination-is-over/495983/53 "2009-05-19T16:18:30Z")
Look, **DSYoungEsq** , just because we have numerous golf experts commenting in detail on the changes to Tiger’s swing, and just because you can’t swing a dead cat at a PGA Tour event without people talking about “Tiger 3.0” or whatever, and just because Tiger dropped Butch Harmon for Hank Haney five years ago, and just because there’s [a whole special section](http://www.golf.com/golf/generic/0,31317,1888934,00.html) of [golf.com](http://golf.com) devoted to the changes in Tiger’s swing, doesn’t mean that **gonzomax** is wrong when he says that Tiger’s swing hasn’t changed. Duh! ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-tiger-woods-domination-is-over/495983/54 "2009-05-19T16:22:04Z")
Well, ok, if you say so… :eek: 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-tiger-woods-domination-is-over/495983/55 "2009-05-19T16:53:50Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > I get that you are wrong. That’s just sad. I feel bad for you. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-tiger-woods-domination-is-over/495983/56 "2009-05-20T01:56:08Z")
[http://www.pgatour.com/2008/tournaments/r004/01/27/ross/index.html](http://www.pgatour.com/2008/tournaments/r004/01/27/ross/index.html) Swing impact felt in early 2008. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-tiger-woods-domination-is-over/495983/57 "2009-05-20T02:40:07Z")
And this supports what you have been saying how, exactly? :dubious: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-tiger-woods-domination-is-over/495983.md?page=2)