# Ok ... so how would YOU lay out a compelling Wonder Woman storyline for a movie? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 21, 2014, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-how-would-you-lay-out-a-compelling-wonder-woman-storyline-for-a-movie/684206 "2014-03-21T03:18:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-how-would-you-lay-out-a-compelling-wonder-woman-storyline-for-a-movie/684206/121 "2014-03-24T19:49:46Z")
The Batman bit could be great. There’s a scene in Matt Wagner’s ‘Trinity’ where Batman, having met Superman and Wonder Woman, is in a sub when a blond guy in orange chainmail swins up to the sub and then away. No dialog, no nothing. Batman: “This is getting out of hand.” Bats should/could resent the meta-humans. They’re a disruptive element in his deep-seated desire for an orderly world. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-how-would-you-lay-out-a-compelling-wonder-woman-storyline-for-a-movie/684206/122 "2014-03-24T19:51:47Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > I like this one a lot. Throw in Ares provoking things (because, gotta have Greek Gods and so it’s not just a costumed slug-fest) and everything ties together well. > > Plus, Kangas! Exactly, the kangas tie it all together. Plus, the notion of her charging Superman on a kangaroo waving a magic sword is poster-ready right there. Plus, imagine the scene where she holds it to his throat and he laughs…until the pain hits and the trickle of blood starts… ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-how-would-you-lay-out-a-compelling-wonder-woman-storyline-for-a-movie/684206/123 "2014-03-24T19:58:35Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Here’s a thought. > > 1. We’re an island of superhuman women, isolated for 2500 years. Greek gods isolated, evil world and so forth. > 2. Why would we venture forth. World’s still evil, we can see it. Plus, by Hades, there’s no one out there worth our time. Best to stay here and live our happy, idyllic, kangaroo-riding lives. Who wouldn’t? > 3. Kryptonians destory Metropolis and the end of Man of Steel > 4. Holy Hera! Who the hell’s the guy in the blue outfit with that cape? Diana! Go check him out! They’ve come up with something new… > > Bang, movie. Plus, the solidly warrior Wonder Women gets that ‘first time supers meet they fight’ opportunity to kick Superman’s ass. She’s the trained warrior, he’s just a brawler who’s not really committed to it. I like this idea. It lets you link the two without making Wonder Woman’s backstory subservient to Superman’s. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-how-would-you-lay-out-a-compelling-wonder-woman-storyline-for-a-movie/684206/124 "2014-03-24T20:00:30Z")
> [@planetcory](#): > > Well, it’s DC’s fault for not getting the idea off the ground. They had George Miller’s Justice League movie cast and ready to go in 2007 before Marvel got things rolling with Iron Man. But it was ditched allegedly because of a rising budget and the writers’ strike. I had not heard that. 2007 would put it 2 years after Batman Begins and a year after Superman Returns. It would have been worked on at the same time as Superman, maybe Batman as well. Did nobody there see to seeding those movies with references to each other, a quick cameo, something? Though Batman turned out well so I suppose that we should be grateful we didn’t see Superman zipping around at the end of Batman Begins and the tease be subsequently dropped after Superman failed at the theaters ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-how-would-you-lay-out-a-compelling-wonder-woman-storyline-for-a-movie/684206/125 "2014-03-24T20:09:15Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > I will bet you that, because of her association with feminism, that Wonder Woman is the best known superhero other than Superman and Batman. Maybe the best known superhero, period. Remember, there was a TV show about her in the 80s. She’s not an unknown quantity at all. I think you’re right in a way. Wonder Woman **is** probably one of the most recognizable female superheroes. You show someone a picture of Wonder Woman and ask them who it is and I bet they’ll be able to answer correctly. What do they know about WW? Do they know her secret identity? What’s her origin? Can you name any of her arch villains? What are her powers? She’s not an entirely unknown quantity but there’s a lot about her that’s unknown to anyone who isn’t a comic book fan. Although to be fair the same could have been said about Green Lantern but they made a crappy movie about him. ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-how-would-you-lay-out-a-compelling-wonder-woman-storyline-for-a-movie/684206/126 "2014-03-24T20:13:31Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > I had not heard that. 2007 would put it 2 years after Batman Begins and a year after Superman Returns. It would have been worked on at the same time as Superman, maybe Batman as well. Did nobody there see to seeding those movies with references to each other, a quick cameo, something? Though Batman turned out well so I suppose that we should be grateful we didn’t see Superman zipping around at the end of Batman Begins and the tease be subsequently dropped after Superman failed at the theaters They were actually going to go with the totally confusing approach of leaving them unconnected to Batman Begins or Superman Returns. Armie Hammer was cast as Justice League Batman even while The Dark Knight was still being filmed with Bale. And I forget who was cast as Superman, but it wasn’t the Superman Returns guy. And keeping in the spirit of the thread, [Megan Gale](https://www.google.com/search?q=megan+gale+justice+league&espv=210&es_sm=119&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=C5IwU5bPKMLa0QGi4YHADQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1129&bih=576#q=megan+gale&tbm=isch) was cast as Wonder Woman. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-how-would-you-lay-out-a-compelling-wonder-woman-storyline-for-a-movie/684206/127 "2014-03-24T20:38:21Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > Also, let’s consider the state at the end of Man of Steel, Kryptonians are feared and hated across the planet. They’re the source of a number of major villains in the DC universe, notably Brainiac and Doomsday, and likely they’ll tie other villains and heroes into technology gleaned from their invasion, perhaps Cyborg or Metallo if they go that direction, and obviously Lex Luthor will have his hands on it. It’s a logical point to give the DCU a commonality, and the idea that Kryptonians were around for thousands of years can help explain any legends or myths they want to latch onto, not just the Greek Gods but perhaps Atlantis, if they want to use Aquaman, or for the six mythological figures from which Shazam’s powers originate, if they go that way. > > Now, that’s not to say that it’ll go off as well as Marvel’s common origins have gone, it’ll certainly appear shoe-horned in to fans familiar with the source material, but we have to realize that we’re in the minority. I think, in the end, as others have indicated, the origin is a necessity, but the film won’t be good or bad just because of the origin. Even the best origin doesn’t guarantee an awful film, and a merely passable one will work too. Hell, maybe the best way is to just sort of allude to it and let the hardcore fans piece it together and let the casual fans just see it as a self-contained story. Regardless, I think it can work just fine. The problem with making Wonder Woman’s and the Amazons’ backstory to be Kryptonian remnants, is that it removes her from her own unique context, and slots her into Superman’s context. This might be fine if she is to be relegated as a backup character in Superman/JSA stories (as Black Widow seems to be with Captain America/Iron Man/Avengers). But if Wonder Woman is to headline her own movies, they’ll need the context from the comics to base those on – and, frankly, the only comics context that has had any legs with WW has been based on the Greek gods. Ares and Circe are her most prominent nemeses. The rest of her rogues’ gallery are nonstarters (Cheetah? plz). Without her Greek myth derived backstory, the opposition in any movie featuring Wonder Woman is going to be… Kryptonian-derived, too? Why wouldn’t that just be another Superman movie? Or Supergirl? Leaving Wonder Woman her mythic background allows her character to be severed from JSA for movies with her own context. And DC is _really_ missing an opportunity if they don’t take that option. (Which is why I suspect they’re going with the Kryptonian-at-remove origin, in keeping with their general cluelessness thus far.) ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-how-would-you-lay-out-a-compelling-wonder-woman-storyline-for-a-movie/684206/128 "2014-03-24T22:04:37Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > The problem with making Wonder Woman’s and the Amazons’ backstory to be Kryptonian remnants, is that it removes her from her own unique context, and slots her into Superman’s context. This might be fine if she is to be relegated as a backup character in Superman/JSA stories (as Black Widow seems to be with Captain America/Iron Man/Avengers). > > But if Wonder Woman is to headline her own movies, they’ll need the context from the comics to base those on – and, frankly, the only comics context that has had any legs with WW has been based on the Greek gods. Ares and Circe are her most prominent nemeses. The rest of her rogues’ gallery are nonstarters (Cheetah? plz). Without her Greek myth derived backstory, the opposition in any movie featuring Wonder Woman is going to be… Kryptonian-derived, too? Why wouldn’t that just be another Superman movie? Or Supergirl? > > Leaving Wonder Woman her mythic background allows her character to be severed from JSA for movies with her own context. And DC is _really_ missing an opportunity if they don’t take that option. (Which is why I suspect they’re going with the Kryptonian-at-remove origin, in keeping with their general cluelessness thus far.) I still like my Hercules idea, because Herc does have some mythological interaction with the Amazons, and making Herc a big raping (it’s a family film!!!) lunkhead would be a subtle dig at the Marvel character like Gaiman did with Thor. And re: Dr. Strange…I’m still amazed Marvel is putting Rocket Racoon on the big screen before Doc. Question: Are Spidey and X-Men ever going to revert back to Marvel? Think of a Wolverine-Spidey movie or X-Men/Avengers movie. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-how-would-you-lay-out-a-compelling-wonder-woman-storyline-for-a-movie/684206/129 "2014-03-24T22:16:33Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > I still like my Hercules idea, because Herc does have some mythological interaction with the Amazons, and making Herc a big raping (it’s a family film!!!) lunkhead would be a subtle dig at the Marvel character like Gaiman did with Thor. That is a terrible idea. Not only is it petty and makes you look petty, it also serves to remind the audience of that other, better comic book movie franchise. Unless you _know_ that your movie is going to be better than theirs, all you’d do is create an example of your blind overconfidence for people to laugh at for years to come. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-how-would-you-lay-out-a-compelling-wonder-woman-storyline-for-a-movie/684206/130 "2014-03-24T22:20:28Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > That is a terrible idea. Not only is it petty and makes you look petty, it also serves to remind the audience of that other, better comic book movie franchise. Unless you _know_ that your movie is going to be better than theirs, all you’d do is create an example of your blind overconfidence for people to laugh at for years to come. Petty? It’s in the GD myth. Was Critically acclaimed Neil Gaiman being petty? ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-how-would-you-lay-out-a-compelling-wonder-woman-storyline-for-a-movie/684206/131 "2014-03-24T23:25:10Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > I still like my Hercules idea, because Herc does have some mythological interaction with the Amazons, and making Herc a big raping (it’s a family film!!!) lunkhead would be a subtle dig at the Marvel character like Gaiman did with Thor. > > And re: Dr. Strange…I’m still amazed Marvel is putting Rocket Racoon on the big screen before Doc. > > Question: Are Spidey and X-Men ever going to revert back to Marvel? Think of a Wolverine-Spidey movie or X-Men/Avengers movie. If you think rape will be even mentioned in a Wonder Woman film, you’ve misjudged the target audience as greatly as **Evil Captor** ('cept his comments were more tongue-in-cheek) (I shall not comment on _which_ cheek _looks innocent_). Doctor Strange has long been a fringe mainstay of the Marvel Universe; his comic does not sell near in the same league as Captain America or Iron Man or Thor (when he even _has_ a comic of his own). Guardians of the Galaxy, on the other hand, are at the heart of all the recent cosmic MU activity, some of which sold like gangbusters, and the rest of which had solid sales. Which is why Rocket Raccoon is showing up first. As someone pointed out in one of the many earlier DC/Marvel movie threads, if Marvel had the rights to Wolverine and/or Spider-Man, we probably wouldn’t have gotten the movies we did. I’m glad they off the table; I’m frankly bored as hell by them now – I still haven’t seen the latest Spider-Man movie, because the thought of setting through that origin story _yet again_ makes pounding nails into my hand look more attractive as a better use of my time. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-how-would-you-lay-out-a-compelling-wonder-woman-storyline-for-a-movie/684206/132 "2014-03-24T23:32:02Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Ares and Circe are her most prominent nemeses. The rest of her rogues’ gallery are nonstarters (Cheetah? plz). Woah. Woah. WOAH. Clearly you’ve forgotten [Egg Fu](http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111128055247/marvel_dc/images/9/9d/Egg_Fu_Earth-One_001.jpg). Or his creepy [retcon](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/99/Changtzudcu01.jpg/250px-Changtzudcu01.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-how-would-you-lay-out-a-compelling-wonder-woman-storyline-for-a-movie/684206/133 "2014-03-24T23:39:15Z")
Okay, Egg Fu II was cool. But also, Morrison. Alas, even _he_ says he doesn’t know what to do with Wonder Woman, or I’d answer this thread by just throwing money at him until he came up with something like _All-Star Superman_ to raid for movie ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-how-would-you-lay-out-a-compelling-wonder-woman-storyline-for-a-movie/684206/134 "2014-03-24T23:51:39Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > If you think rape will be even mentioned in a Wonder Woman film, you’ve misjudged the target audience as greatly as **Evil Captor** ('cept his comments were more tongue-in-cheek) (I shall not comment on _which_ cheek _looks innocent_). Ha! Wonder Woman! R Rated! Directed by Zack Snyder! In slow sienna-tinted ‘300’ style! “And lo did the Half-breed bastard son of Zeus lay waste our land and our women.” ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-how-would-you-lay-out-a-compelling-wonder-woman-storyline-for-a-movie/684206/135 "2014-03-24T23:59:21Z")
And by the way, I want to remind people that WW is a warrior, a pragmatist and has never been afraid to kill if she has to. All that hand-wringing (Especially by the common citizenry\*) over her snapping Maxwell Lord’s neck was way overblown. \*In fact, I’m sure the citizens of Gotham said, “Can we trade you Batman?” ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2014, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-how-would-you-lay-out-a-compelling-wonder-woman-storyline-for-a-movie/684206/136 "2014-03-25T00:00:19Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Here’s a thought. > > 1. We’re an island of superhuman women, isolated for 2500 years. Greek gods isolated, evil world and so forth. > 2. Why would we venture forth. World’s still evil, we can see it. Plus, by Hades, there’s no one out there worth our time. Best to stay here and live our happy, idyllic, kangaroo-riding lives. Who wouldn’t? > 3. Kryptonians destory Metropolis and the end of Man of Steel > 4. Holy Hera! Who the hell’s the guy in the blue outfit with that cape? Diana! Go check him out! They’ve come up with something new… > > Bang, movie. Plus, the solidly warrior Wonder Women gets that ‘first time supers meet they fight’ opportunity to kick Superman’s ass. She’s the trained warrior, he’s just a brawler who’s not really committed to it. Not bad … this actually has the best opening dynamic structure logic and compelling storyline in this thread so so far. A Superman - Wonder Woman team up refocuses and solves a lot of issues they have as stand alones in playing off each other. He can go lighter (with some humor) in contrast to her intense warrior personality, she can school him on fighting and maybe introduce him to some of her fellow deities for more interesting interactions. She can be crude and brutal while he has more delicate moral sensibilities. He’s vulnerable to magic so there’s some skin in the game for him danger-wise. If they can get actors for the parts who have some personal chemistry there may even be the potential to have an undercurrent of mutual attraction. I like it! ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2014, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-how-would-you-lay-out-a-compelling-wonder-woman-storyline-for-a-movie/684206/137 "2014-03-25T00:11:05Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > I’d answer this thread by just throwing money at him until he came up with something like _All-Star Superman_ to raid for movie ideas. Save your money. [He’s already working on it.](http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/aug/21/grant-morrison-wonder-woman) ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2014, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-how-would-you-lay-out-a-compelling-wonder-woman-storyline-for-a-movie/684206/138 "2014-03-25T00:11:15Z")
Also re the intro it ties in smoothly with the Superman portion of the DC universe in a way that makes sense. As a side note it would be fun to have Batman for some screentime in this in whatever menace they all team up to fight. He’s very attracted to her efficient warrior spirit, but she’s oblivious to his charms won’t give him the time of day and so lady killer Bruce Wayne / Batman keeps getting shut down. How he reacts to that or deals with it might be amusing and/or interesting. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2014, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-how-would-you-lay-out-a-compelling-wonder-woman-storyline-for-a-movie/684206/139 "2014-03-25T05:19:58Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Captain America II, Winter Soldier. > From Wiki: > In 2014, Stephen Strange is named as a target in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, hinting a future appearance in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Do you know the tense of the word “has”? OK, less snarkily - I wasn’t saying he’s never going to show up - it’s already been stated he’s part of “Phase 3” of the MCU, whatever that is. But he’s not being cast in any of the current scheduled movies - I see this as much more like the way Beast got a passing mention in the first X-Men movie (or all the other mutants listed on a screen that Mystique briefly reads in the same) or the like. Do you think we’re going to see him \*doing magic \*in CA:TWS ? No? Then we can’t say how Marvel intends to address his powers. Personally, I’m all for there being outright magic in the MCU, don’t get me wrong. I’m just saying how it looks like they’re doing things up to now. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2014, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-how-would-you-lay-out-a-compelling-wonder-woman-storyline-for-a-movie/684206/140 "2014-03-25T10:46:14Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Nick Fury: Strange, I want to know how you called a fire ball out of the sky and incinerated Paste Pot Pete. “Same way Thor calls down lightning.” “Fair enough. How about changing your appearance at will?” “Just like Loki.” “Oh, right.” “I can also do his create-illusionary-duplicates trick.” “And his mind-control stunts?” “Naturally.” “Well, we’ve already granted that those are all science.” “I also make forcefields and portals to elsewhere, à la the Tesseract.” “You’re boring me with all this tech talk, Strange.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-how-would-you-lay-out-a-compelling-wonder-woman-storyline-for-a-movie/684206.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-how-would-you-lay-out-a-compelling-wonder-woman-storyline-for-a-movie/684206.md?page=8)