# Ok so what happens after Return Of The Jedi? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 23, 2012, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-happens-after-return-of-the-jedi/626039 "2012-06-23T05:38:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-happens-after-return-of-the-jedi/626039/41 "2012-06-25T21:24:15Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Not all of them. They got a huge vector outward when the reactor blew. > > Like **jayjay** , I really wished that Lucas had gone with the Thrawn trilogy instead of the suck. They are a good story with interesting characters, ominous bad guys, and some nice twists. I’m sure people would have accepted lizards who magically repel the force…for… evolutionary reason was it? over Midicholrians. > [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Does that mean “Leia had at least three children who were killed,” or “Leia had at least three children, the third of whom died?” Third child is killed (named Anakin). Her other two (Jacen and Jaina) were still living. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-happens-after-return-of-the-jedi/626039/42 "2012-06-25T21:59:52Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > I’m sure people would have accepted lizards who magically repel the force…for… evolutionary reason was it? over Midicholrians. Ysalamiri, “furry salamanders” that repel the Force; some of the predators on the planet have a natural ability to use the Force to hunt. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-happens-after-return-of-the-jedi/626039/43 "2012-06-25T22:34:10Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > So the Force is, like, radio? Like Cuba Gooding Jr as a retarded football coach? ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-happens-after-return-of-the-jedi/626039/44 "2012-06-25T23:59:40Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > So the Force is, like, radio? For talking to GOD! ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-happens-after-return-of-the-jedi/626039/45 "2012-06-26T02:02:11Z")
> [@PSXer](#): > > The Empire was defeated and balance was restored to the Force and everyone lived happily ever after. > > Only cynics would need to know more. Cynics, or masochists. ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-happens-after-return-of-the-jedi/626039/46 "2012-06-26T02:18:41Z")
I read a few of the books that came out after the Thrawn trilogy. Was there ever an awkward “So… about that time on Hoth” scene between Luke & Leia? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-happens-after-return-of-the-jedi/626039/47 "2012-06-26T02:46:40Z")
What happens on Hoth, stays on Hoth. Besides, we all know how Han _really_ warmed Luke up. ---
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-happens-after-return-of-the-jedi/626039/48 "2012-06-26T03:26:22Z")
Meanwhile, much later, Luke’s grandson is occasionally getting visits from gramps. Not as a force ghost, mind you; more as a drug-fueled hallucination. There’s an Imperial remnant, which is generally lawful neutral. There is a republic, as I recall. And there are sith, who have abandoned that whole one master-one apprentice model. Don’t ask me much more than that–I’m well behind on Legacy… ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-happens-after-return-of-the-jedi/626039/49 "2012-06-26T04:50:35Z")
[quote=“The\_Second\_Stone, post:37, topic:626039”] But from a certain point of view, they were traitors. Your view of things depends on your point of view. Fox News would have reported them as traitors]. MSNBC would have loved the original Palpatine. Of course, I doubt anyone watches MSNBC in a galaxy far, far away either. ---
**Author:** ![tanstaafl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba8739/32.png) [@tanstaafl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tanstaafl)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-happens-after-return-of-the-jedi/626039/50 "2012-06-26T12:34:59Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Wouldn’t the chunks remain in orbit? [Way more thought on that idea than was ever needed](http://www.theforce.net/swtc/holocaust.html) ---
**Author:** ![Mines\_Mystique](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mines\_Mystique](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mines_Mystique)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-happens-after-return-of-the-jedi/626039/51 "2012-06-26T13:36:13Z")
> [@grude](#): > > Lucas seems not to agree but I think the force wanted the old jedi order gone, it almost seems like that was the whole point of the whole six films. This theory does seem to be born out in the Expanded Universe. I can’t remember which series it is, but there is some philosophical discussion where it is mentioned that the old Jedi Order had tipped the balance of the Force way too far to the light side. Vader and Palpatine brought balance by basically destroying the old order. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-happens-after-return-of-the-jedi/626039/52 "2012-06-26T13:57:21Z")
**The Revenge of the Jedi** , of course! [http://www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Wars-Revenge-of-the-Jedi-Ep-6-Movie-Poster-27x40-/270990003883?pt=LH\_DefaultDomain\_0&hash=item3f18434eab](http://www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Wars-Revenge-of-the-Jedi-Ep-6-Movie-Poster-27x40-/270990003883?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f18434eab) ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-happens-after-return-of-the-jedi/626039/53 "2012-06-26T20:33:42Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > What happens on Hoth, stays on Hoth. > > Besides, we all know how Han _really_ warmed Luke up. And there’s _another_ chunk of my childhood irrevocably corrupted. :smack: Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-happens-after-return-of-the-jedi/626039/54 "2012-06-27T15:40:02Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Third child is killed (named Anakin). Her other two (Jacen and Jaina) were still living. At the time, though eventually Jacen went to the dark side and Jaina put him down. So only one is left. But considering how the EU loves to shit on happy things, I’m sure she’ll be killed off eventually too. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2012, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-happens-after-return-of-the-jedi/626039/55 "2012-07-01T20:16:20Z")
Luke’s arm that he lost in Bespin comes back with a new cloned body, called Luuke. No, I’m not joking, but it’s not nearly as stupid as it sounds like it should be. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-happens-after-return-of-the-jedi/626039/56 "2012-07-02T00:31:30Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > Luke’s arm that he lost in Bespin comes back with a new cloned body, called Luuke. > > No, I’m not joking, but it’s not nearly as stupid as it sounds like it should be. The storyline, yes, not as stupid. The “uu” naming convention, EXACTLY as stupid as it sounds. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-happens-after-return-of-the-jedi/626039/57 "2012-07-02T00:52:45Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > The storyline, yes, not as stupid. The “uu” naming convention, EXACTLY as stupid as it sounds. At least it’s consistent…Joruus C’baoth is the other cloned Jedi. I have no idea what the naming convention would be if the original didn’t have a “u” in the name… ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-happens-after-return-of-the-jedi/626039/58 "2012-07-02T01:32:34Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > In fact, I got the impression that Palpatine’s black soul was basically laughing his ass off at the universe, because while he was a bastard and a half, he was still way better than most real-world tyrants of the 20th century, AND actually did provide economic growth while evidently not giving a damn about what most people did as long as they didn’t try to rebel against his political domination. Hell, he even left most local government alone. > > It’s actually kind of sad, but as near as I can tell, the worst things he did as Evil Overlord boil down to, “I tolerate a lot of speciesism because I don’t care enough to spot it, and I murder ther shit out of anyone who opposes me.” Yup, the fictional Evil Overlord is actually very preferable to many real-world rulers, some of whom are considered halfway decent. > [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > See also [http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/248ipzbt.asp](http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/248ipzbt.asp) , for a hilariously apt article. Yeah, I’ve run across this article before. > [@Jonathan V. Last in The Weekly Standard](#): > > First, an aside: For the sake of this discussion, I’ve considered only the history gleaned from the actual Star Wars films, not the Expanded Universe. If you know what the Expanded Universe is and want to argue that no discussion of Star Wars can be complete without considering material outside the canon, that’s fine. However, it’s always been my view that the comic books and novels largely serve to clean up Lucas’s narrative and philosophical messes. Therefore, discussions of intrinsic intent must necessarily revolve around the movies alone. You may disagree, but please don’t e-mail me about it. Well, if we consider only the movies and not the EU (and the Force knows that’s fine with me; I’ve dipped into the EU here and there, but it basically gives me a headache), then of course there is no “economic growth”. All we see of the Empire in the movies is a bunch of ruthless bastards who simply kill anyone who gets in their way (regardless of any actual moral culpability on that person’s part). Almost the very first thing we see the Empire (in the person of Darth Vader) do is “question” someone by picking him up by the neck and squeezing until something goes snap. But hey, that’s just “enhanced interrogation”! In addition to killing Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru for no other reason than that they bought some droids from the wrong guys, don’t forget the Empire had already massacred the jawas too. Sure, all this takes place offscreen, so I guess maybe the jawas and Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru all died screaming “Down with the Empire! Long live the Republic! [del]Allahu Akbar![/del] May the Force be with you!” But it doesn’t seem terribly likely from what we see of any of these people. The most I can imagine the jawas doing when asked about the droids is maybe holding out one palm and coughing significantly. One good curt order barked by a stormtrooper and I’m sure they’d fold like cheap lawn chairs, bribe or no. In fact, given that the Imperials seem to have made a beeline for the Lars homestead, that must be what happened. So I guess they just killed the jawas for target practice. Then the Empire nukes one of its own planets–I guess _everyone_ on Alderaan was just “rebel scum”. In _The Empire Strikes Back_, we see Darth Vader’s charming inter-personal skills and management style really develop (“Apology accepted!” _Gaaack!_) and the use of cold-blooded torture to bait traps. The Empire’s treatment of Lando Calrissian–a classic entrepreneurial small businessman–gives the lie to any notion of benevolent Pinochetian pro-growth policies. Clearly, once the Empire moves in, you’re pretty much screwed–[“I am altering the deal. Pray I don’t alter it any further.”](http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000031/quotes) ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-happens-after-return-of-the-jedi/626039/59 "2012-07-02T02:09:27Z")
The EU _is_ canon! I agree the people familiar with it are outnumbered in orders of magnitude by those who aren’t, but officially, it is canon. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-happens-after-return-of-the-jedi/626039/60 "2012-07-02T03:17:28Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > The EU _is_ canon! I agree the people familiar with it are outnumbered in orders of magnitude by those who aren’t, but officially, it is canon. Yeah but _officially_ Greedo shot first. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-happens-after-return-of-the-jedi/626039.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-happens-after-return-of-the-jedi/626039.md?page=4)