# Ok, so what the hell happened in Germany in NYE? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 8, 2016, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538 "2016-01-08T23:28:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Donnerwetter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Donnerwetter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donnerwetter)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/261 "2016-01-10T19:46:01Z")
It’s essentially the same what happened to CBS journalist Lara Logan in 2011: > [@](#): > > CBS reporter Lara Logan: I feared a ‘torturous death’ in Egypt > > CNN) – CBS News correspondent Lara Logan, who suffered an especially brutal sexual assault in Egypt’s Tahrir Square while covering the country’s revolution, said Sunday she feared a torturous death at the hands of the mob. > “I thought not only am I going to die here, but it’s going to be just a torturous death that’s going to go on forever and ever and ever,” she said in a “60 Minutes” interview, her first on camera since the assault. > Logan was covering the celebration that erupted in Tahrir Square following the resignation of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak on February 11. She reported for about an hour without any trouble. > The atmosphere in the square was festive, like a party, she said, until all of a sudden, it wasn’t. An Arabic-speaking member of Logan’s crew abruptly said she needed to leave. > “I was told later that they were saying, ‘Let’s take her pants off,’” said Logan, 40, about men in the crowd around her. > > […] [http://edition.cnn.com/2011/SHOWBIZ/TV/05/01/lara.logan.interview/](http://edition.cnn.com/2011/SHOWBIZ/TV/05/01/lara.logan.interview/) ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/262 "2016-01-10T20:00:18Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Yes, and went on to denigrate them and state they were less “economically viable” than Syrian refugees. You seem to be impaired capcity in reading understanding. The profile of the Harraga is not the same economic profile This is not denigration it is the socio-economic **reality**. The Syrian refugees are a mass displacement by civil war of skilled people who would never normally undertake an immigration, except in the normal channels. They are of a completely different profile in terms of the economic skills, much higher skilled, literate, educated, etc These are sociological facts. The profile of the harraga is from the disfavored background, they are young, the are from the bidonvilles - the slums with few opportunities. the syrians are by skill and experience and background extremely different. Perhaps you lakc the education to understand economic analysis. > [@Donnerwetter](#): > > It’s essentially the same what happened to CBS journalist Lara Logan in 2011 In the Egypt. In Cairo. Yes. Indeed. The Egypt is not the Tunisia, not the Algeria and not the Morocco. Mon dieu it is hopeless. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/263 "2016-01-10T20:02:51Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > Yes, this is something I dont understand about this story. I do not see why it’s so important to distinguish between refugees, immigrants and German born Muslims as the culprits of these attacks. Muslim refugees/immigrants produce German born Muslims. \*If \*there is a tendency for such crimes within the Islamic population then such distinctions between refugees and German born Islamic citizens are moot. Muslims are working on their third generation in Germany. If this is a new problem, (as in the police saying this has never happened before), then it is clearly not a problem with Islam, but a problem with the most recent immigrants, related to either their country of origin, the disruption of the culture in their land of origin, or some other factor. ---
**Author:** ![Donnerwetter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Donnerwetter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donnerwetter)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/264 "2016-01-10T20:03:45Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > Mon dieu it is hopeless. No kidding. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/265 "2016-01-10T20:07:02Z")
> [@T.M](#): > > Do not be so dam rude and cut the arrogance until you know what you are talking about > which you obviously do not This from you? You owe me a new irony meter. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/266 "2016-01-10T20:07:19Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > You seem to be impaired capcity in reading understanding. > > The profile of the Harraga is not the same economic profile > > This is not denigration it is the socio-economic **reality**. > > The Syrian refugees are a mass displacement by civil war of skilled people who would never normally undertake an immigration, except in the normal channels. They are of a completely different profile in terms of the economic skills, much higher skilled, literate, educated, etc These are sociological facts. The profile of the harraga is from the disfavored background, they are young, the are from the bidonvilles - the slums with few opportunities. > > the syrians are by skill and experience and background extremely different. > > Perhaps you lakc the education to understand economic analysis. I haven’t said that the “socio-economic profiles” weren’t different. The fact is, it doesn’t really matter for the purposes of my point. My point being, you defend one group of people and call others who disagree with you bigots and haters, while simultaneously denigrating another class of people as being undesirable. ---
**Author:** ![Lazy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9fc29f/32.png) [@Lazy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lazy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/267 "2016-01-10T20:12:20Z")
Thanks for the responses. I was wondering whether the term in Arabic referred to a fairly well-defined and at least somewhat common phenomenon, or whether it was simply a term for something like group sexual assault. And, I guess, whether the (obviously charged) implication - that what happened in Cologne was the transferral of an already-existing, if not generally condoned, “cultural” practice from North Africa to Germany - was in any way true. One aspect to what happened in Cologne that seems to go beyond what happened in Tailhook, for example, is that it happened in public in front of more than 80 police officers, with the assumption that there would be no consequences. (That assumption appears so far to be correct, at least for the sexual assaults. In Tailhook, 300 officers saw their careers ended, although no doubt they were also expecting no consequences.) The article linked to by Donnerwetter states that a part of the (alleged) phenomenon of “taharrush gamea” is that it happens in public. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/268 "2016-01-10T20:12:29Z")
I have done no such thing, I commented on the different economic interests for a resettlement and refugee policy in the context of the policy and the comments on the economic impact or utility. I made 100% seperate comments on the specific group of little criminals who abused women in cologne. people who have made specific acts is not the same as the greater group. Do try not to confuse them. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/269 "2016-01-10T20:20:51Z")
> [@T.M](#): > > The sexual assault upon under age girls in Blackpool, Manchester, Rotherham, Rochdale, Liverpool, Oxford etc. was all carried out by men with Islamic connections Islamic meaning nothing more than having parents from Pakistan or Bangladesh (and not Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, etc.) with no actual evidence that they participated in Islam. > [@octopus](#): > > The initial desire to coverup or downplay the crimes is reminiscent of the events in Rotherham. Where the Christian and Christian-raised secularists covered their asses to avoid doing paperwork or because they figured the girls brought it on themselves. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/270 "2016-01-10T20:23:14Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > You seem to be impaired capcity in reading understanding. > > . . . > > Perhaps you lakc the education to understand economic analysis. Ramira, back off on the personal remarks. If you want to refute the ignorance and even point out how the ignorance originates, fine, but direct comments on the intelligence or behavior of other posters is not appropriate. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/271 "2016-01-10T20:24:03Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > Pure prejudice and a perfect fit to the idea and the definition of the Intolerance towards others - since of course there is no relationship between the subject of ordinary women in Tunis wearing some ordinary clothing and a terrorist incident (by a hard drinking and apparently by reports deeply depressed and mentally disturbed student who did not fire on any of the tunisians who are seen in pictures on the beach, tunisians not in “modest” wear… > > So it is indeed hard to explain making an association between women dressed normally in Tunis and a terror attack in Tunisia that had nothing to do , except that such a person is doing it through the deep lens of intolerance so that Arab (Tunisian) = Terrorist. You’ve virtually hand waved away 4 TERRORIST ATTACKS while at the same time using Tunis as some kind of dress code litmus test. YOU’RE the one who brought up how people dress in Tunis. I pointed out the terrorist attacks based on religious dogma. The reality of it just sailed over your head. All the attacks in Tunis were against tourists or other religions. It’s not Arab = Terrorist. It’s Islam drives an inordinate amount of terrorism. It’s certainly not an “incident”. > [@Ramira](#): > > The drawing on well-known hate mongerers like Geller who have been raised and discussed many times in discussions here (featuring this person… and only a few months back) and the predilection to link to such cites tells me where the reality lies including the pretension to not knowing… Again I ask you, has this person murdered anyone. Issued any death threats? Taken on slaves? Demanded punishment for people who choose a different religion? ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/272 "2016-01-10T20:24:16Z")
> [@Lazy](#): > > The article linked to by Donnerwetter states that a part of the (alleged) phenomenon of “taharrush gamea” is that it happens in public. The phrase, it is a real one, in the Egyptian dialect refers to a real thing, particularly in Cairo. Cairo is terrible in terms of the sexual harrassement, I have not seen or experienced anything like Cairo in my life. It is nasty. I dislike and refuse to go to Cairo due to this. It was noted to happen in the Egyptian revolution towards the end (but not in the start of the demostrations), and many youth activists attributed this to the security state bussing in the poor youth from the slums as well as the well-known and long documented state policy of the baltagea (or baltagiya - another Egyptian word), paid state thugs sent to infiltrate and to break up. I am told it has gotten worse since 2011. Making broad sociological conclusions about “North Africa” and the culture of migrants based on an Egyptian sociological phenoneman is stupid and shows a superficial thinking - all “Arabs” the same (although one runs into this all the time and they struggle to understand that one can be Maghrebi, Chilha, and not Arab but speak the Arabic but not identify as the Arab). The idea there is a singular pan-North africa sociological phenomena to be labeled by the Egyptian Dialect word is simple minded and a gross distortion. The problem of harrassement exists and as I brought up earlier in this thread we have in Casa, in Tunis the problem of the “casseurs” (the hooligans) and the days when one of the “popular” football teams (that is one of the teams supported by the underclass kids of the slums) plays, people stay away from the stadium and off of the streets they walk. Of course one can understand abstractly the angry youth from the bidonvilles and the frustrations, but this is not a valid excuse for the criminal attacks on others. If there is a sociological tie to be made by the Germans, and assuming the information is correct that most of the kids were in fact Harraga, it is not to an Egyptian phenomena, it is the Casaouie phenomena of the Casseur. A different thing, but it is the same youth group band-hooliganism that we can see boiling out of many deprived urban situations. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/273 "2016-01-10T20:26:53Z")
> [@Tithonus](#): > > Here’s a thought, if you want to get all sanctimonious about how desperate Muslims are to integrate into Western societies, why don’t you lead by example and try improving your grasp of basic English grammar so the rest of us don’t have to waste our time deciphering your reams of cryptic gibberish? This sort of personal attack is beyond not appropriate. Any future post resembling this sort of diatribe will receive a Warning. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/274 "2016-01-10T20:34:03Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Muslims are working on their third generation in Germany. If this is a new problem, (as in the police saying this has never happened before), then it is clearly not a problem with Islam, but a problem with the most recent immigrants, related to either their country of origin, the disruption of the culture in their land of origin, or some other factor. Well, im not so certain this hasn’t happened before. Though the number of victims and perpetrators in previous years were probably less. The reason I believe this has happened before is that these things don’t happen in isolation. I refuse to believe German immigrants turned rapey overnight. More likely previous crimes of this nature have garnered far less publicity. Also, we have the examples of Rochdale, Rotherham etc in the UK. These sex crimes were largely committed by 2nd and 3rd generation UK Muslims. The MO of the perps were perhaps different in Rotherham and Cologne but the “cultural problems” amongst a substantial proportion of the Muslim population are similar imo. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/275 "2016-01-10T20:35:41Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Again I ask you, has this person murdered anyone. Issued any death threats? Taken on slaves? Demanded punishment for people who choose a different religion? Geller is a known liar and hate promoter. Can you find any support for her claims in an independent source? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/276 "2016-01-10T20:35:50Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > The profile of the Harraga is not the same economic profile > > This is not denigration it is the socio-economic **reality**. > > The Syrian refugees are a mass displacement by civil war of skilled people who would never normally undertake an immigration, except in the normal channels. They are of a completely different profile in terms of the economic skills, much higher skilled, literate, educated, etc These are sociological facts. The profile of the harraga is from the disfavored background, they are young, the are from the bidonvilles - the slums with few opportunities. > > the syrians are by skill and experience and background extremely different. All of the syrian refugees are higher skilled and literate than all the Harraga? Seems like a sweeping generalization of the type that you lambaste other posters for doing with regards to Muslims. Oh wait, according to you it’s just a fact that all syrians are better than all harraga :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Lazy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9fc29f/32.png) [@Lazy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lazy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/277 "2016-01-10T20:41:10Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > If there is a sociological tie to be made by the Germans, and assuming the information is correct that most of the kids were in fact Harraga, it is not to an Egyptian phenomena, it is the Casaouie phenomena of the Casseur. A different thing, but it is the same youth group band-hooliganism that we can see boiling out of many deprived urban situations. So the answer to my question is that “taharrush gamea” is a real thing, but probably not exactly what happened in Cologne. The BKA could therefore benefit from a more nuanced understanding of Middle Eastern and North African cultures as they try to come up with a plan for stopping this from happening again in German cities. Thanks, I am learning things here. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/278 "2016-01-10T20:43:02Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > Also, we have the examples of Rochdale, Rotherham etc in the UK. These sex crimes were largely committed by 2nd and 3rd generation UK Muslims. The MO of the perps were perhaps different in Rotherham and Cologne but the “cultural problems” amongst a substantial proportion of the Muslim population are similar imo. However, the Rotherham crimes were committed by a limited group of men descended from particular locales, not from every group of Muslims who immigrated. Connecting it to “Islam” is simply looking for the broadest brush to pain the scenario. (In this way it is similar to the claims a few years ago that “Muslim” taxi drivers were refusing to carry alcohol or pet dogs when the group responsible was pretty much entirely Somalian. The notion that “Islam” is behind every problem is merely a way to avoid looking at the specific phenomena to determine the actual events that occurred. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/279 "2016-01-10T20:48:15Z")
[quote=“Magiver, post:271, topic:742538”] You’ve virtually hand waved away 4 TERRORIST ATTACKS OMG 4 attacks!!! By musims!!! Send in the parachuting brigade of moto-special forces! Hand waviing - well since terrorist attacks have nothing to do with the original point of the comment, I call it pointing out _ **irrelevancy brought up out of pure prejudice** _ The incidents in Tunis had nothing to do with women not being charged under laws that do not exist to wear a specific religious clothing, the imagined state of being that is asserted here about women and clothing and law in the region… that was the suject. But we can look at Terror and see the Relevance - using just wiki pages for even field of play [Tunisia attacks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Tunisia) > [@](#): > > 21st century[edit] > Note: the perpetrators are not counted in the dead or wounded below. > > Date Type Dead Injured Location and description > 11 April 2002 bombing 19 30+ Ghriba synagogue bombing - On April 11, 2002, a natural gas truck fitted with explosives drove past security barriers at the ancient El Ghriba synagogue on the Tunisian island of Djerba. The truck detonated at the front of the synagogue, killing 14 German tourists, three Tunisians, and two French nationals. More than 30 others were wounded. > 30 October 2013 Suicide bombing 0 0 A suicide bomber blew himself up on the beach at Sousse after attempting to enter the Riadh Palms Hotel with a suitcase. No one else was hurt.[1] > 18 March 2015 Shooting 22 50 Bardo National Museum attack - Three jihadists attacked the Bardo National Museum in the Tunisian capital city of Tunis, taking hostages. 22 people, mostly European tourists, were killed and another fifty injured. A few days later police raided a hideout of and al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb.[2] > 26 June 2015 Shooting 39 39 2015 Sousse attacks - Forty people, mostly tourists, were killed when armed gunmen attacked two hotels at at the tourist resort at Port El Kantaoui, about 10 kilometres north of the city of Sousse, Tunisia.[3] [Terror incidents associated](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States#2010.E2.80.93present) with the Right Wing white american men > [@](#): > > • > January 17, 2011: Spokane Bombing attempt > • August 5, 2012: Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting > • June 17, 2015: Charleston church shooting a mass shooting took place at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in downtown Charleston, South Carolina, United States. The church is one of the United States’ oldest black churches and has long been a site for community organization around civil rights. Nine people were killed, including the senior pastor, Clementa C. Pinckney, a state senator. A tenth victim was also shot, but survived. The FBI has not classified the act as terrorism, which was met with controversy. > > • > June 10, 2009: United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting: 88-year-old James Wenneker von Brunn, a white supremacist and neo-Nazi, walked into the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C., shooting and mortally wounding Stephen Tyrone Johns, a security guard. Von Brunn was wounded when other museum guards immediately returned fire and on January 6, 2010, von Brunn died of natural causes at a hospital near where he was imprisoned awaiting trial.[103][104][105] During the investigation it was discovered that von Brunn had planned to target White House senior adviser David Axelrod leading to increased protection for Axelrod and other steps.[106] > • April 13, 2014 Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooting: 3 killed 1 critically injured in shootings at Jewish Community Center of Greater Kansas City and Village Shalom in Overland Park, Kansas. Suspect is 74-year-old Frazier Glenn Miller, Jr…[102][107][108] On April 27, 2015, Miller told the Associated Press he plans to plead guilty and his motivation was to “put the Jews on trial where they belong”.[109] > > • > May 2002: Lucas John Helder rigged pipe bombs in private mailboxes to explode when the boxes were opened. He injured 6 people in Nebraska, Colorado, Texas, Illinois, and Iowa. His motivation was to garner media attention so that he could spread a message denouncing government control over daily lives and the illegality of marijuana, as well as promote astral projection. > • July 27, 2008: Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting: Jim David Adkisson enters the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee with a shotgun, killing two and injuring several congregants before being tackled to the ground. Adkisson stated to the police and in a manifesto that he desired to kill Democrats, liberals, African Americans and homosexuals. Adkisson pled guilty to the crime in February 2009 and was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.[116][117] > • January 6, 2011: Three packages detonate in the mail rooms of two Maryland state government buildings, causing minor injuries to the fingers of two government workers.[118] > • November 1, 2013 2013 Los Angeles International Airport shooting: 23-year-old Paul Ciancia kills a Transportation Security Administration agent and wounds 7 others, 3 of them TSA agents. Ciancia was shot and taken into custody. A note found in Ciancia’s pocket said he believed he was a patriot and wanted to kill “patriot” upset at former Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, and that he wanted to kill “TSA and pigs”.[119] > • June 8, 2014: Two Las Vegas police officers while eating pizza in a restaurant and one civilian were shot to death allegedly by Jerad and Amanda Miller a married couple in a suicide attack. A Gadsden flag,swastika and a note promising “revolution,” was placed on the deceased officers bodies. The couple were thrown out a patriot group defending rancher Cliven Bundy. The Millers were both killed in a shootout with police on the same day.[120][121] > • September 16, 2014: Eric Matthew Frein described as a survivalist is alleged to have killed a Pennsylvania State trooper and critically wounded another at the Blooming Grove barracks. Life was disrupted in the region during the ensuing manhunt. On October 30 Frein was captured near an abandoned airport hangar and was shackled with the handcuff belonging to the trooper he is accused of killing. Prosecutors said they would pursue the death penalty.[122][123] > > • 2009: Anti-abortion activist Scott Roeder killed George Tiller in Kansas.[124] So obviously more than FOUR incidents (OMG!!!) - I must thusly ASSOCIATE AMERICA with Right Wing American white men and this is obviously key to understanding the Americans and particularly the types who post about Concealed Carry and other extreme right wing angry white men topics as very clearly in reviewing the above many terror incidents over the same time period, such people frequently kill others, and particularly they attack representatives and minorities. We have to follow a consistent logic. > [@](#): > > Whille at the same time using Tunis as some kind of dress code litmus test. Litmus test? It is one of my cities of residency which I am well familiar with and can easily locate photos for. It illustrated the FALSE ideas that you types have and promote about the region - which was directly raised here. > [@](#): > > YOU’RE the one who brought up how people dress in Tunis. Yes indeed. It is a country I am part time resident in and have relations in. It is thus easy for me to use it to illustrate actual dress of people. > [@](#): > > I pointed out the terrorist attacks based on religious dogma. So the FUCK what? I have above many more than FOUR incidents where Religious or Political “dogma” has killed mulsims, killed black americans, killed people they thought associated with a "liberal " power they hated.’ > [@](#): > > The reality of it just sailed over your head. All the attacks in Tunis were against tourists or other religions. Four named attacks - maybe three - of course since the Tunisia depends heavily on the Tourism, an attack on tourism is an attack on the power structure. They are attacks on the economy to strive to generate revoliution. But these groups have killed as many Tunisian national guards soldiers as tourists in the back country fighting in the years since the Jasmine Revolution - they are not shy in the end about killing fellow Tunisians, they have avoided only direct attacks. So no the reality does not sail over my head, it is rather I know the reality 1000 times better than you, both in the structure and the actual events. > [@](#): > > It’s Islam drives an inordinate amount of terrorism. It’s certainly not an “incident”. Besides being an unsupproted and biased assertion, this kind of assertion is the perfect display of what is known as the religious bigotry. Geller has been discussed many times here in the SDMB and even in threads you participated in, so I just smile at the claiming of the ignorance and ease of comfort with a well-known extremist bigot. ---
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> [@Lazy](#): > > So the answer to my question is that “taharrush gamea” is a real thing, well it is a real Egyptian thing. It is not something that I can say is a thing of Casablanca or Tunis. > [@](#): > > but probably not exactly what happened in Cologne. well in some ways it does ressemble and it can be said to be of roots similar, but it is making a false connection to use the Egyptian phrase and think that the Egyptian case is telling them something general. if the german police are being nuanced and saying that the idea of the semi-rural or the slum origin youths getting drunk and going on the group groping expeditions is something to watch out for among a certain kind of profile, this is one thing. If they start building a fixed stereotype that the stories of a certain practice being “a north African practice” based upon the Cairo / Egyptian mega-slum-cities reality, they are getting a badly distorted idea and a basis of thinking that is rooted in an easy racism tinged vision. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538.md?page=15)