# Ok, so what the hell happened in Germany in NYE? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 8, 2016, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538 "2016-01-08T23:28:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![user\_hostile](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/user_hostile/32/474_2.png) [@user\_hostile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/user_hostile)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/481 "2016-01-15T04:26:28Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Why compare it with a cliched Wild West brawl instead of a cliched Glasgow Saturday night? Is this a form of America bashing? :dubious: > [Less similar. šŸ˜‰](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077269/) Hmmpfā€¦or did we already Godwin the thread? šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/482 "2016-01-15T04:35:51Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > But to recap, you are very wrong and a ftp t-shirt would easily earn you a beating in lots of places around Glasgow. People in Glasgow are reallyā€¦ _intense_ about file transfer protocols. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/483 "2016-01-15T05:48:34Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I would like to think Europe is more civilized than that. Have you even \*met \*us ?! šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![T.M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@T.M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.M)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/484 "2016-01-15T11:36:55Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Whenever Islam is criticized, thereā€™s this instinctive, almost knee-jerk reaction by many on the political left to swoop in and defend it. Iā€™ve never quite seen that reaction when it comes to any other religion. I was reading remarks such as this nearly word for word in the U.K. 5-6 years ago and the authors were condemned as filthy racist pigs, these days ordinary people are more inclined to agree rather than condem ---
**Author:** ![T.M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@T.M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.M)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/485 "2016-01-15T11:47:06Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > People in Glasgow are reallyā€¦ _intense_ about file transfer protocols. Speaking as the old enemy I have found Glasgow to be a warm and friendly place and I do not mean just the touristy bits, I remember the Glasgow tenements, the gang wars and Celtic winning the European cup ---
**Author:** ![A\_isha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@A\_isha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_isha)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/486 "2016-01-15T15:10:46Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > what is mind boggling is that the thread was started after the Paris attacks and the California attacks and within a week of the first post we have [Jarkarta](http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/14/asia/jakarta-gunfire-explosions/). Not that anyone will read the link but it talks about ISIS using their financial muscle to infiltrate and fund cells in Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines. If Islam itself were the problem, why would ISIS _need_ to ā€œinfiltrate and fund cellsā€ in the most populous Muslim nation on the planet and its closest Muslim neighbor? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/487 "2016-01-15T18:15:03Z")
Just wondering here, are there any reports and statistics from local emergency rooms? Seems to me, given the level of presumed violence and mayhem, there should be. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/488 "2016-01-15T18:25:56Z")
> [@A\_isha](#): > > If Islam itself were the problem, why would ISIS _need_ to ā€œinfiltrate and fund cellsā€ in the most populous Muslim nation on the planet and its closest Muslim neighbor? Because they are a franchise with their own vision of how to manifest Islam. A vision that is in competition with various other Islamist and Jihadist groups. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/489 "2016-01-15T18:27:59Z")
> [@T.M](#): > > Speaking as the old enemy I have found Glasgow to be a warm and friendly place and I do not mean just the touristy bits, I remember the Glasgow tenements, the gang wars and **Celtic winning the European cup** A sad day for many of us. šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/490 "2016-01-15T18:31:48Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Just wondering here, are there any reports and statistics from local emergency rooms? Seems to me, given the level of presumed violence and mayhem, there should be. Im not so sure. A man fondling a womanā€™s ā€œbitsā€ doesnā€™t necessarily require hospital treatment for the victim. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/491 "2016-01-15T18:44:45Z")
Of course, but I was under the impression that there was buttloads of violence perpetrated. Buttloads of violence results in verifiable injuries, which are treated, and records kept. Unacceptable and uninvited fondling, not so much. Of course, ā€œDrunken Muslims on rampageā€ makes a better headline, and a much better talking point. Now, let it be noted that I do not claim to know what happened. But let it further be noted that I am suspicious of such claims leveled at a despised minority. Even more so when the alleged outrage leaves no physical evidence. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2016, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/492 "2016-01-16T02:25:57Z")
Liberal Muslim apologist! šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2016, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/493 "2016-01-16T02:42:01Z")
I, too, am interested in the raw statistics that must have come out of this, Germany being Germany. So far, as riots go, Iā€™m not impressed. Yes, some men groped some women who did not invite it, however they were dressed. And it being Germany in December, I also assume the women were not dressed in a tantalizing manner by most stretches of the imagination, not that the attacks would be justified if they were. But how many men were arrested, how many people were injured, and how many skulls were cracked by policemenā€™s batons? I have difficulty believing even the small force of cops present would be afraid of wading into a minor melee, but Iā€™m from Chicago and assume that, if it were to happen here, bullets would fly and brown men would die if it were half as bad as the claims claim. Cologne is no stranger to stupid riots; do they have mounted police? Horses are great for crowd control. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2016, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/494 "2016-01-16T04:51:05Z")
So here we are: defending abusers of women because they are a ā€œdespised minority.ā€ The liberal cognitive dissonance is so loud itā€™s a fucking tritone. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2016, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/495 "2016-01-16T05:21:02Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > So here we are: defending abusers of women because they are a ā€œdespised minority.ā€ > > The liberal cognitive dissonance is so loud itā€™s a fucking tritone. And the conservative reading incomprehension maintains its steady hum. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2016, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/496 "2016-01-16T05:29:51Z")
Except, #491 is F# to your C. Unless hundreds of German women did simultaneously make up allegations because they hate Muslims. Which may not sit well with the feminist liberals on this board who donā€™t take claims of sexual abuse lightly. (Arenā€™t you one of them?) Pick your poison. Defend the oppressed minority or defend female sexual integrity? Or, deflect and attack the conservative. Hum-dee-hum. ---
**Author:** ![botsgotme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@botsgotme](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/botsgotme)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2016, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/497 "2016-01-16T05:42:09Z")
It seems that some of these poor refugees have annoying habits, while at public swimming poolsā€¦more proof that German women should be wearing burquas. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2016, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/498 "2016-01-16T06:31:41Z")
> [@A\_isha](#): > > If Islam itself were the problem, why would ISIS _need_ to ā€œinfiltrate and fund cellsā€ in the most populous Muslim nation on the planet and its closest Muslim neighbor? Virgins cost money? Seriously, are you saying Jakarta didnā€™t happen? Add Burkina Faso attacks to the list. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2016, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/499 "2016-01-16T06:39:04Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > So here we are: defending abusers of women because they are a ā€œdespised minority.ā€ > > The liberal cognitive dissonance is so loud itā€™s a fucking tritone. Women arenā€™t the most important class in the hierarchy of oppressed peoples. ---
**Author:** ![T.M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@T.M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.M)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2016, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/500 "2016-01-16T09:34:13Z")
Just to bring the conversation back on track. The backlash: Neo-Nazis on the rampage. Gun sales soaring. SUE REID warns sex attacks by migrants have unleashed dark forces in Germany that have disturbing echoes of the past Half of Germans sceptical that Merkel will cope with the influx of migrants In contrast, Eurosceptic party AfD hit an all-time high in an opinion poll In Leipzig on Monday 500 thugs set cars ablaze and attacked shops and fast food restaurants, some of them belonging to migrants Came after the mass sex attacks in Cologne on New Yearā€™s Eve By Sue Reid for the Daily Mail Published: 22:16, 15 January 2016 | Updated: 00:16, 16 January 2016 Read more: [SUE REID warns sex attacks by migrants have unleashed dark forces in Germany | Daily Mail Online](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3401862/The-backlash-Neo-Nazis-rampage-Gun-sales-soaring-SUE-REID-warns-sex-attacks-migrants-unleashed-dark-forces-Germany-disturbing-echoes-past.html#ixzz3xOgHNOV8) Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook When I read this I thought is this the start of the nightmare? This has echoā€™s of the start of the second world war only this time a large percentage of the European population will be in agreement about dealing with Islamism. The German Government has opened the door to the Neo Nazi party, the question is how do we slam it shut again [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538.md?page=26)